Nobody is going to heaven Part 2

notAfanboy

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Adam 🍎 said:
That is all fine and dandy

Doesn't change the fact a supreme being that can change stuff for millions with a flick of a finger won't do it.

He is content with letting innocent people suffer daily.

Punish the people that deserve it, not the ones innocent of the crime.

If you were a God would you let people suffer so much?
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God has given instructions for each and everything, it is the people who refuse to follow.

You were sent here as a punishment, Allah Has promised to give you death and call you back on the day of resurrection.
You will be asked about what you did, not what others did.
Pain and suffering are part of this life.
Like I said, refer to Quran or listen to Dr. Zakir Naik to get the answers to your questions.
He has answered such questions countless times.
 
Udell

Udell

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Adam 🍎 said:
That is all fine and dandy

Doesn't change the fact a supreme being that can change stuff for millions with a flick of a finger won't do it.

He is content with letting innocent people suffer daily.

Punish the people that deserve it, not the ones innocent of the crime.

If you were a God would you let people suffer so much?
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I find it funny when people say this as well. How do you know that GOD isn't punishing people with the same suffering you are complaining about? You think Jesus came to bring peace? He came the first time to be a sin offering, his second coming means WARS.
You need to accept him as a sin offering, again Jesus does not care for this current world because they are listening to the devil. The devil is a creation and Jesus is the creator. People listening to the creation instead of the creator.

Matthew 10: 34 - 35
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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Adam 🍎 said:
Yea tell it to people that didn't deserve it and need to suffer just because a man in the sky doesn't give a damn
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We were all sent to this world as a punishment.
So, I dont get your point. Why should Allah give you if the ones who have it all dont thank Him, dont bow down to Him, dont do what He asked to do. They say thanks to Him by using drugs and doing Haram activities. Why you feel so entitled about it when He Has given everything to you in this world. Will you take responsibility for those people who dont have anything, and once they get it, they won't do bad things? Will they say thanks to Him? No, they will say we deserve it because You thrown us in this world. So, what's the point? Where do we stand? It is a loser's mindset.
 
AL sama

AL sama

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notAfanboy said:
We were all sent to this world as a punishment.
So, I dont get your point. Why should Allah give you if the ones who have it all dont thank Him, dont bow down to Him, dont do what He asked to do. They say thanks to Him by using drugs and doing Haram activities. Why you feel so entitled about it when He Has given everything to you in this world. Will you take responsibility for those people who dont have anything, and once they get it, they won't do bad things? Will they say thanks to Him? No, they will say we deserve it because You thrown us in this world. So, what's the point? Where do we stand? It is a loser's mindset.
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Allah is punishing all humanity cause our founding father broke one simple rule yeah Allah is great

he can stop everything we're doing but he won't and instead is watching as if enjoying a circus yeah Allah is really the kindest
 
NAMELESS

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notAfanboy said:
God has given instructions for each and everything, it is the people who refuse to follow.

You were sent here as a punishment, Allah Has promised to give you death and call you back on the day of resurrection.
You will be asked about what you did, not what others did.
Pain and suffering are part of this life.
Like I said, refer to Quran or listen to Dr. Zakir Naik to get the answers to your questions.
He has answered such questions countless times.
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I discovered Dr.Zakir Naik recently,good place to learn about Islam.Lots of people asking questions there too.Good content.
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AL sama said:
Allah is punishing all humanity cause our founding father broke one simple rule yeah Allah is great

he can stop everything we're doing but he won't and instead is watching as if enjoying a circus yeah Allah is really the kindest
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Well,if god stopped us.We wouldn't have free will,right?Its like a father that keeps watching his grown up kids fight each other to death.What can he do to stop it?Not much,they are grown ups.If they want it really bad,they will do it one way or another.But i believe sin itself is self destructive and nature has a way to punish those that do nasty stuff.Bestiality(sex with animals) is correlated with penile cancer.Cannibalism causes Kuru disease,which kills you in a very painful and slow way(your brain becomes a swiss cheese).Most soldiers comeback sick in the head from war,criminals and terrorists die young and so on.But lets be real,if we have eternity awaiting for us,all this stuff is not that big of a deal.I think the biggest sin is refusing gods love and walking away from him on purpose.Imagine a kid doing that to his father and mother.I don't think God would take that lightly.
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notAfanboy said:
We were all sent to this world as a punishment.
So, I dont get your point. Why should Allah give you if the ones who have it all dont thank Him, dont bow down to Him, dont do what He asked to do. They say thanks to Him by using drugs and doing Haram activities. Why you feel so entitled about it when He Has given everything to you in this world. Will you take responsibility for those people who dont have anything, and once they get it, they won't do bad things? Will they say thanks to Him? No, they will say we deserve it because You thrown us in this world. So, what's the point? Where do we stand? It is a loser's mindset.
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I don't see it as punishment,more like rehabilitation.Would you keep your retarded/schyzophrenic kid at home while he does something crazy everyday or would you send him into a mental institution for treatment.
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Udell said:
I find it funny when people say this as well. How do you know that GOD isn't punishing people with the same suffering you are complaining about? You think Jesus came to bring peace? He came the first time to be a sin offering, his second coming means WARS.
You need to accept him as a sin offering, again Jesus does not care for this current world because they are listening to the devil. The devil is a creation and Jesus is the creator. People listening to the creation instead of the creator.

Matthew 10: 34 - 35
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
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yeah,people are idolizing money,status and power these days.The world is fucked up bad.
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AL sama said:
Allah is punishing all humanity cause our founding father broke one simple rule yeah Allah is great

he can stop everything we're doing but he won't and instead is watching as if enjoying a circus yeah Allah is really the kindest
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When is was an atheist i thought that too.But i don't think like this anymore.
 
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Udell

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NAMELESS said:
yeah,people are idolizing money,status and power these days.The world is fucked up bad.
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Jesus died for the whole world and yet his own creation spit in his face. When he said he came to bring a sword he was referring to his word. Jesus fulfilled his part. The choice is now ours. This is why I don't judge anyone I just let them know what will happen when Jesus gets here.

John 17: 1, 8-9
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.


Jesus said out of his own mouth that he prays for his servants and not for the world because he already know that the worlds hates him and is filled with wickedness and he sees it all.
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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Udell said:
Jesus died for the whole world and yet his own creation spit in his face. When he said he came to bring a sword he was referring to his word. Jesus fulfilled his part. The choice is now ours. This is why I don't judge anyone I just let them know what will happen when Jesus gets here.

John 17: 1, 8-9
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.


Jesus said out of his own mouth that he prays for his servants and not for the world because he already know that the worlds hates him and is filled with wickedness and he sees it all.
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I think Jesus will arrive late to the party at this pace,we might very well blow the world up very soon.
 
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Momonosuke

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Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.


So Christians really believe that God smited this dude for "pulling out" while fucking his sister-in-law
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Fuck Bible thumpers. There are good and bad things you can learn from every religion, no religion should be considered as more important than common sense morals of right and wrong and simple decency towards your fellow human being
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Jesus wasn't the son of "god" marry cheated on Joseph and blamed an angle so she didn't get stoned to death
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NAMELESS said:
I think Jesus will arrive late to the party at this pace,he might very well blow the world up very soon.
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Don't blame that on some dude that died over 2000 years ago. Humans will blow the planet up or just keep reproducing at an unsustainable rate until we kill each other off fighting over resources
 
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NAMELESS

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Momonosuke said:
Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.


So Christians really believe that God smited this dude for "pulling out" while fucking his sister-in-law
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Fuck Bible thumpers. There are good and bad things you can learn from every religion, no religion should be considered as more important than common sense morals of right and wrong and simple decency towards your fellow human being
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Jesus wasn't the son of "god" marry cheated on Joseph and blamed an angle so she didn't get stoned to death
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Bible means collection of books.We need to figure out what kind of text are we reading.Is it a narrative,metaphor and so on...Search up for Daniel prophecies and recent Archeological discoveries.I think i posted something about this on this thread on part 1.Yeah,we need to try to be reasonable and not go full fundamentalist.I agree.
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Momonosuke said:
Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.


So Christians really believe that God smited this dude for "pulling out" while fucking his sister-in-law
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Fuck Bible thumpers. There are good and bad things you can learn from every religion, no religion should be considered as more important than common sense morals of right and wrong and simple decency towards your fellow human being
Post automatically merged:

Jesus wasn't the son of "god" marry cheated on Joseph and blamed an angle so she didn't get stoned to death
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Don't blame that on some dude that died over 2000 years ago. Humans will blow the planet up or just keep reproducing at an unsustainable rate until we kill each other off fighting over resources
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That stuff about Mary...search for miracles of Fatima.Do a honest non biased search.You might be surprised by what happened in Portugal not long ago.The Bible is not just some regular book,just google how much good it does for inamtes in prison.
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Momonosuke said:
Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.


So Christians really believe that God smited this dude for "pulling out" while fucking his sister-in-law
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Fuck Bible thumpers. There are good and bad things you can learn from every religion, no religion should be considered as more important than common sense morals of right and wrong and simple decency towards your fellow human being
Post automatically merged:

Jesus wasn't the son of "god" marry cheated on Joseph and blamed an angle so she didn't get stoned to death
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Don't blame that on some dude that died over 2000 years ago. Humans will blow the planet up or just keep reproducing at an unsustainable rate until we kill each other off fighting over resources
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I wrote "he" by accident.I meant we.I agree,we will end this show.Not God.
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Momonosuke said:
Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.


So Christians really believe that God smited this dude for "pulling out" while fucking his sister-in-law
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Fuck Bible thumpers. There are good and bad things you can learn from every religion, no religion should be considered as more important than common sense morals of right and wrong and simple decency towards your fellow human being
Post automatically merged:

Jesus wasn't the son of "god" marry cheated on Joseph and blamed an angle so she didn't get stoned to death
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Don't blame that on some dude that died over 2000 years ago. Humans will blow the planet up or just keep reproducing at an unsustainable rate until we kill each other off fighting over resources
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Jesus loves you pornstar.
 
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Momonosuke

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NAMELESS said:
That stuff about Mary...search for miracles of Fatima.Do a honest non biased search.You might be surprised by what happened in Portugal not long ago.The Bible is not just some regular book,just google how much good it does for inamtes in prison.
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I've read about the miracles of Fatima before and I don't believe any of it. If it was some type of heavenly appearance then the apparition on the 3rd or 4th month when the kids were in jail wouldn't have had to wait until they got released almost a week later after saying she would come on the 13th each month, or are we just blindly agreeing that prison cells can stop God? Then the sun danced around in the sky in a zig zag pattern? Only an imbecile would believe some of the shit the churches try and pass of as fact. Like Moses parting the red sea, or Jesus walking on water, or a virgin getting pregnant by God.

I don't deny that all the various forms of religion can be beneficial and give people hope but to blindly believe the obviously impossible because another human being said it happened or because another human being wrote down that it happened is asinine.
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If there is any kind of "god" human beings simply wouldn't have the mental capacity to comprehend its existence. Since ancient times humans have used religion to explain that which they were unable to comprehend, and others used religion to manipulate the masses in order to gain and maintain power, while the hopeless use the faith of religion to find hope and purpose in their meager existence.
 
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NAMELESS

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Momonosuke said:
I've read about the miracles of Fatima before and I don't believe any of it. If it was some type of heavenly appearance then the apparition on the 3rd or 4th month when the kids were in jail wouldn't have had to wait until they got released almost a week later after saying she would come on the 13th each month, or are we just blindly agreeing that prison cells can stop God? Then the sun danced around in the sky in a zig zag pattern? Only an imbecile would believe some of the shit the churches try and pass of as fact. Like Moses parting the red sea, or Jesus walking on water, or a virgin getting pregnant by God.

I don't deny that all the various forms of religion can be beneficial and give people hope but to blindly believe the obviously impossible because another human being said it happened or because another human being wrote down that it happened is asinine.
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but what about the unexplained healings,how did those kids know that phenoma would happen,even if it was natural.Also,there was a prophecy there"Russia would spread its mistakes to the world".Well..that happened...Soviet Union,China,North Korea,African continent,Latin America...all of these places are very socialistic.Even Europe and America are quite contaminated with it.
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Momonosuke said:
I've read about the miracles of Fatima before and I don't believe any of it. If it was some type of heavenly appearance then the apparition on the 3rd or 4th month when the kids were in jail wouldn't have had to wait until they got released almost a week later after saying she would come on the 13th each month, or are we just blindly agreeing that prison cells can stop God? Then the sun danced around in the sky in a zig zag pattern? Only an imbecile would believe some of the shit the churches try and pass of as fact. Like Moses parting the red sea, or Jesus walking on water, or a virgin getting pregnant by God.

I don't deny that all the various forms of religion can be beneficial and give people hope but to blindly believe the obviously impossible because another human being said it happened or because another human being wrote down that it happened is asinine.
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If there is any kind of "god" human beings simply wouldn't have the mental capacity to comprehend its existence. Since ancient times humans have used religion to explain that which they were unable to comprehend, and others used religion to manipulate the masses in order to gain and maintain power, while the hopeless use the faith of religion to find hope and purpose in their meager existence.
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You didn't read everything apparently... a very large crowd witnessed it and some of those people got healed from some diseases that were death sentences back in the day.There was rain that left no water puddles on the ground.Lots of weird stuff happened.Search for documents from Atheist that study these kind of stuff.The honest ones will tell you something happened and they don't know how to explain it.
 
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Momonosuke said:
I've read about the miracles of Fatima before and I don't believe any of it. If it was some type of heavenly appearance then the apparition on the 3rd or 4th month when the kids were in jail wouldn't have had to wait until they got released almost a week later after saying she would come on the 13th each month, or are we just blindly agreeing that prison cells can stop God? Then the sun danced around in the sky in a zig zag pattern? Only an imbecile would believe some of the shit the churches try and pass of as fact. Like Moses parting the red sea, or Jesus walking on water, or a virgin getting pregnant by God.

I don't deny that all the various forms of religion can be beneficial and give people hope but to blindly believe the obviously impossible because another human being said it happened or because another human being wrote down that it happened is asinine.
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If there is any kind of "god" human beings simply wouldn't have the mental capacity to comprehend its existence. Since ancient times humans have used religion to explain that which they were unable to comprehend, and others used religion to manipulate the masses in order to gain and maintain power, while the hopeless use the faith of religion to find hope and purpose in their meager existence.
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Yes,religion has being used for social control and it is.But the point is,even cave man had some form of spiritual beliefs.We earn for food we eat,we earn for water we drink,where does this necessity for a meaning of life and connection with something beyond us comes from?The religious experience is a world wide phenomena that existed since man came to be.
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ThatMojaveCourier06 said:
Silly book filled with contradictions.
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Really,is that the best you can come up with?
 
NAMELESS

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Momonosuke said:
I've read about the miracles of Fatima before and I don't believe any of it. If it was some type of heavenly appearance then the apparition on the 3rd or 4th month when the kids were in jail wouldn't have had to wait until they got released almost a week later after saying she would come on the 13th each month, or are we just blindly agreeing that prison cells can stop God? Then the sun danced around in the sky in a zig zag pattern? Only an imbecile would believe some of the shit the churches try and pass of as fact. Like Moses parting the red sea, or Jesus walking on water, or a virgin getting pregnant by God.

I don't deny that all the various forms of religion can be beneficial and give people hope but to blindly believe the obviously impossible because another human being said it happened or because another human being wrote down that it happened is asinine.
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If there is any kind of "god" human beings simply wouldn't have the mental capacity to comprehend its existence. Since ancient times humans have used religion to explain that which they were unable to comprehend, and others used religion to manipulate the masses in order to gain and maintain power, while the hopeless use the faith of religion to find hope and purpose in their meager existence.
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you know,if there is a being out there that created the laws of physics.I'm pretty sure he can bend them at his will.So all that stuff about believing the impossible is not really fanatism.
 
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