Versus Battle Hiruzen prime vs Pain

[Roo]

Only the shadow clone jutsu is a chakra feat there though. We have no idea what chakra levels are required for the death reaper seal and he used brute force to take on the Edo Kages with singular shadow clones a piece.

He also had Enma up

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

It takes a single jutsu from Deva Path to get rid of any clones. Hiruzen also has no defense against Chou Shinra Tensei.

The Adamantine Nyoi (the staff that Enma transforms into) is literally indestructible.

If he makes a cage with it like he did against EDO Hashirama he can probably block it straight up.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He also had Enma up

A summons, yeah.

The Adamantine Nyoi (the staff that Enma transforms into) is literally indestructible.

If he makes a cage with it like he did against EDO Hashirama he can probably block it straight up.

Lmao it’s as hard as Diamond and Enma admitted he’d be hurt by Kusanagi, nothing bar the Yata Mirror is indestructible.
Likewise the entire cage has massive holes in it so…. It doesn’t function as a barrier. It functions as Hiruzen’s coffin

 

[Roo]

A summons, yeah.

One of the strongest summon that probably takes a huge amount of chakra. Is that not a chakra feat?

Lmao it’s as hard as Diamond and Enma admitted he’d be hurt by Kusanagi, nothing bar the Yata Mirror is indestructible.
Likewise the entire cage has massive holes in it so…. It doesn’t function as a barrier. It functions as Hiruzen’s coffin

Eh I think sage jutsu can destroy it since its made of all nature styles aka yin yang release

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

he’d be hurt by Kusanagi

He said that clashing with the Kusanagi blade would make him sore.

We literally see him clash with and take no damage.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

One of the strongest summon that probably takes a huge amount of chakra. Is that not a chakra feat?

Eh I think sage jutsu can destroy it since its made of all nature styles aka yin yang release

It’s probably a decent amount of chakra, it’s not quantifiable though. We have no idea how Enma compares to mountain sized summons like the Sannins and I don’t recall anything about Ma&Pa requiring much chakra and they’re on the same level as Gamabunta.

Nah, Yata can reflect astral attacks like Kamui, senjutsu is nothing

 

[Roo]

Nah, Yata can reflect astral attacks like Kamui, senjutsu is nothing

when has this ever been the case? video games dont count

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

@TheAncientCenturion I don’t know if this should be used, but in Boruto Konahamaru says “at this rate I’ll never surpass my Grandfather.”

Which given Konahamaru’s feats can (unironically) be used to scale Hiruzen to Ootsutuski level characters.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

when has this ever been the case? video games dont count

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He said that clashing with the Kusanagi blade would make him sore.

We literally see him clash with and take no damage.

Yeah the Kusanagi hurts Enma and inflicts pain on it.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Yeah and the Kusanagi blade was supposed to be a mythical weapon able to ignore the durability of any target but then couldn’t pierce the Kyuubi chalkra cloak.

So I’m not gonna accept a no-limits argument for the Yata Mirror.

 

[Roo]

im pretty sure that was before the sage mode yin yang counter

also where are the spoiler tags light-kun?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Yeah the Kusanagi hurts Enma and inflicts pain on it.

Inflicting pain =/= taking damage is my point.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Inflicting pain =/= taking damage is my point.

In this context pain can only be derived from damage though.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

In this context pain can only be derived from damage though.

But we don’t see any physical damage on Enma despite clashing with the Kusanagi blade multiple times.

Also, Orochimaru’s response to Itachi’s Susano’o was pulling out the Kusanagi blade. Not sure what that implies.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

But we don’t see any physical damage on Enma despite clashing with the Kusanagi blade multiple times.

Also, Orochimaru’s response to Itachi’s Susano’o was pulling out the Kusanagi blade. Not sure what that implies.

It’s clearly capable of impacting Enma though, words from Emma’s own mouth.

Orochimaru can use Kusanagi to pressure Susano’o like he did 4tails Naruto, physically shoving it around and keeping it on the defensive. It’s also Orochimaru’s strongest offensive ability in the moment without ninjutsu

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

It’s clearly capable of impacting Enma though, words from Emma’s own mouth.

Orochimaru can use Kusanagi to pressure Susano’o like he did 4tails Naruto, physically shoving it around and keeping it on the defensive. It’s also Orochimaru’s strongest offensive ability in the moment without ninjutsu

And Enma shoved around the full 9 tails.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

im pretty sure that was before the sage mode yin yang counter

I am not sure when it's from, but it's a clear statement given to us. If you use, and you do use databooks, it'd be hypocritical to pick and choose. As far as we're told Yata Mirror can reflect anything, and we've been told that twice

Spoiler

also where are the spoiler tags light-kun?

I said multiple images lol and they are there now.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

And Enma shoved around the full 9 tails.

????? That doesn’t have anything to do with the conversation though, we weren’t arguing who shoves better

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

????? That doesn’t have anything to do with the conversation though, we weren’t arguing who shoves better

Enma should be able to resist Chou Shinra Tensei if it’s can shove around the 9 tails.