Powers & Abilities If Shanks and Roger are swordmen...

#22
Seems like, in order to make permanent black sword, you couldn't just "frequently" or "usually" using sword and imbue it with strong haki.
You have to "always" using that sword in order to make it permanently black.


Have you seen Mihawk using his punch to beat opponent?
Not saying he couldn't, but he never use it from what we know.
Even when he want to give his opponent advantages, he use small sword (or knife) instead of going barehanded.


"Frequently", "Usually", or even "Mainly" isn't enough to make permanent black sword.
It has to be your only way of fight (except that you don't have sword or anything to be hold).



This is why making a permanent black blade is difficult and it is considered impressive since it needs total dedication to use swords as the only way of fight.

:willsmith:
 
#23
Seems like, in order to make permanent black sword, you couldn't just "frequently" or "usually" using sword and imbue it with strong haki.
You have to "always" using that sword in order to make it permanently black.


Have you seen Mihawk using his punch to beat opponent?
Not saying he couldn't, but he never use it from what we know.
Even when he want to give his opponent advantages, he use small sword (or knife) instead of going barehanded.
This doesn't really answer the question at all
Have you ever seen Shanks use a punch to beat an opponent?
 
#27
So shanks using swords for 30 plus years and having a beloved sword with long history of battle is lack of obsession in swordsmanship ? Make it make sense
Man, this debate happens every other week on this site. Worstgen is sword gang basically so anyone considered a swordsman in One Piece (because of Zoro and Mihawk fans) gets treated like they are more“lethal” than most characters for example.

Mihawk and Zoro are literally pursuing swordsmanship as their goal. That’s very different than focusing on a journey for the adventure like Roger. Not once have these characters like Shanks and Roger have emphasized in their ambitions about being powerful or even the best swordsman. This manga isn’t Bleach for Christ sake. People treating black swords as if it’s some universal Bankai shit to display strength. One Piece powerscaling isn’t linear like that sorry.

It’s really that simple
 

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World's Strongest Swordsman
#28
Man, this debate happens every other week on this site. Worstgen is sword gang basically so anyone considered a swordsman in One Piece (because of Zoro and Mihawk fans) gets treated like they are more“lethal” than most characters for example.

Mihawk and Zoro are literally pursuing swordsmanship as their goal. That’s very different than focusing on a journey for the adventure like Roger. Not once have these characters like Shanks and Roger have emphasized in their ambitions about being powerful or even the best swordsman. This manga isn’t Bleach for Christ sake. People treating black swords as if it’s some universal Bankai shit to display strength. One Piece powerscaling isn’t linear like that sorry.

It’s really that simple
No that's what you are doing.

Shanks has only ever fought using a sword all his life
He has a BELOVED SWORD with a long history of battle.
Why did shanks fight mihawk then ? Was it for shits and giggles ?
 
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Cruxroux

#29
Lmao I love this thread.
Only facts. No bullshit
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Man, this debate happens every other week on this site. Worstgen is sword gang basically so anyone considered a swordsman in One Piece (because of Zoro and Mihawk fans) gets treated like they are more“lethal” than most characters for example.

Mihawk and Zoro are literally pursuing swordsmanship as their goal. That’s very different than focusing on a journey for the adventure like Roger. Not once have these characters like Shanks and Roger have emphasized in their ambitions about being powerful or even the best swordsman. This manga isn’t Bleach for Christ sake. People treating black swords as if it’s some universal Bankai shit to display strength. One Piece powerscaling isn’t linear like that sorry.

It’s really that simple
MIhawk hismelf said PK > WSS
but still no black blade.
:kobeha::kobeha::kobeha:
Mihawk was being too nice but insulting at the same time lmao.
 
#31
This doesn't really answer the question at all
Have you ever seen Shanks use a punch to beat an opponent?
It did mean to answer your question. Maybe I should elaborate further.

As for why Shanks don't have black blade, if my theory above is correct, then there are 3 possibilities:
1. He haven't wield Gryphon for that long, or
2. He has another way of fight aside from sword, or
3. He is simply weaker than Mihawk
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Those 3 possibilities are applied to anyone who we saw wield a sword but not have black blade:

Either they haven't wield their sword for long, has another way of fight aside from sword, or simply weaker than Mihawk/Ryuma.
 
#35
Take away the swords from Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks and they will be fine, they wont be nerfed anyway.
Take away the swords from Zoro or Mihawk and they are pretty much done.
Source: Seven Piece

:lusalty:

They'll be about as strong in comparison to their sword-selves as Zoro would be swordless compared to with swords. They'll punch and kick with ACoC, ACoA in a relatively unskilled manner.

Honestly, gap between sword-less and sword is probably lower for Zoro than it is for others because unlike them, he has a fighting style when unarmed (0 sword style).
 
#37
Take away the swords from Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks and they will be fine, they wont be nerfed anyway.
Take away the swords from Zoro or Mihawk and they are pretty much done.
They wont? Why they even use swords:sanmoji:
Why roger fought rocks oden wb with his sword
Why rayleigh fight kizaru with his sword
Why shanks picks his sword everytime he fights?
 
#39
Best blade users in One piece

- Roger
- Xebec
- WB

None has a black blade
:kayneshrug:

If you can’t see Riger is different than Mihawk I can’t do anything for you. Except if you think the strongest swordsman in history has no black blade and that doesn’t make sense at all
Zoro doesnt have a bb he s different than Mihawk like roger :steef:
 
#40
Best blade users in One piece

- Roger
- Xebec
- WB

None has a black blade
:kayneshrug:

If you can’t see Riger is different than Mihawk I can’t do anything for you. Except if you think the strongest swordsman in history has no black blade and that doesn’t make sense at all
Lol if Black Blade turns out to be purely CoA related (peak of it or otherwise), this agenda will be some of biggest clownery in community history.

Right next to "WSS is about skills"
 
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