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[RayanOO]

In what way are Shanks and Roger different to Zoro?

I don’t know : portrayal, way of thinking, way of life’s hype etc

Nothing is similar

Ryuma, Mihawk and Zoro are clearly apart from the others

Ryuma and Mihawk are the only one with black blades, the only ones with a sword title, the ones linked to Zoro and his dream, the one said to live for the sword and etc etc

And Zoro is the next in line : the next to make a black blade, the next revered for his swordsmanship, the next with a sword title etc etc

What Roger and Shanks have with Zoro dream ? Nothing

Was Roger hyped for his swordsmanship , or had a sword title or had any dream linked to that ? Not at all.

Roger being the strongest swordsman ever doesn’t make any sense. Oda specifically hyped a type of a swordsmen to be the peak of that field and Roger isn’t in it.

Roger is stronger than Mihawk and likely Ryuma but that doesn’t mean he is the strongest swordsman ever. The narrative doesn’t say that at all. It would be ridiculous

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If Black Blade turns out to be majorly related to peak of CoA, then this entire agenda that Roger is "special" and not a normal "swordsman" is down the drain.

Then it just means that Roger is stronger swordsman than Mihawk, just that his CoA isn't as good.

I don’t care if Mihawk has better COA or anything better than Roger. All I know is after 1000 chapters Roger hype and fears are above mihawk.

So a guy without a black blade, without any sword feats and hype or anything sword related dream wise is the strongest swordsman ever Or not linked to Zoro at alo ? Yeah sure.

 

[Shanal]

I don’t know : portrayal, way of thinking, way of life’s hype etc

Nothing is similar

Ryuma, Mihawk and Zoro are clearly apart from the others

Ryuma and Mihawk are the only one with black blades, the only ones with a sword title, the ones linked to Zoro and his dream, the one said to live for the sword and etc etc

And Zoro is the next in line : the next to make a black blade, the next revered for his swordsmanship, the next with a sword title etc etc

What Roger and Shanks have with Zoro dream ? Nothing

Was Roger hyped for his swordsmanship , or had a sword title or had any dream linked to that ? Not at all.

Roger being the strongest swordsman ever doesn’t make any sense. Oda specifically hyped a type of a swordsmen to be the peak of that field and Roger isn’t in it.

Roger is stronger than Mihawk and likely Ryuma but that doesn’t mean he is the strongest swordsman ever. The narrative doesn’t say that at all. It would be ridiculous

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I don’t care if Mihawk has better COA or anything better than Roger. All I know is after 1000 chapters Roger hype and fears are above mihawk.

So a guy without a black blade, without any sword feats and hype or anything sword related dream wise is the strongest swordsman ever Or not linked to Zoro at alo ? Yeah sure.

Yeah, Roger can be stronger swordsman without having his CoA as good as Mihawk. It ain't that big of a deal. Pretty sure his CoO wasn't as good as even Fujitora, for example.

Having or not having black blade doesn't make you stronger swordsman if it's majorly CoA related lmao. Nor does not having one make you less of a swordsman. Gandhi doesn't, either, and he might be Zoro's EoS opponent.

Mihawk wouldn't be called STRONGEST swordsman in the world if Roger, a stronger swordsman, was alive today. Stronger. Swordsman. Very elementary words and meaning.

 

[RayanOO]

Yeah, Roger can be stronger swordsman without having his CoA as good as Mihawk. It ain't that big of a deal. Pretty sure his CoO wasn't as good as even Fujitora, for example.

Having or not having black blade doesn't make you stronger swordsman if it's majorly CoA related lmao. Nor does not having one make you less of a swordsman. Gandhi doesn't, either, and he might be Zoro's EoS opponent.

Mihawk wouldn't be called STRONGEST swordsman in the world if Roger, a stronger swordsman, was alive today. Stronger. Swordsman. Very elementary words and meaning.

What’s is elementary is that you have 2 swordsmen with certain unique characteristics and directly linked to the MC whose dream is to be the WSS

and a stronger guy being a sword man

Yeah it’s realllyyyyyt complicated to see how Roger was different and not part of that game

If Roger was the strongest swordsman ever Zoro would have mentioned it somewhere and would have been involved pursuing Roger

 

[HA001]

What’s is elementary is that you have 2 swordsmen with certain unique characteristics and directly linked to the MC whose dream is to be the WSS

and a stronger guy being a sword man

Yeah it’s realllyyyyyt complicated to see how Roger was different and not part of that game

If Roger was the strongest swordsman ever Zoro would have mentioned it somewhere and would have been involved pursuing Roger

Why would he ? Roger is dead. Zoros only goal is on the current strongest which is mihawk not Shanks
All are swordsmen

 

[Shanal]

What’s is elementary is that you have 2 swordsmen with certain unique characteristics and directly linked to the MC whose dream is to be the WSS

and a stronger guy being a sword man

Yeah it’s realllyyyyyt complicated to see how Roger was different and not part of that game

If Roger was the strongest swordsman ever Zoro would have mentioned it somewhere and would have been involved pursuing Roger

Zoro doesn't give a flying fuck about dead swordsmen. He never gave a flying fuck about surpassing Ryuuma even after the name was shoved in his face over and over and over again.

Strongest Swordsman is being stronger as a swordsman. As simple as that.

That's why Zoro's dream dictates he can't lose to some dude who is riding a unicycle, throwing beyblades and spitting fire. It's because that person, despite having a very versatile fighting style, is still a swordsman. And that's all what Zoro gives a fuck about.

What's complicated (and frankly a cope) is you trying to pretend that "World's Strongest Swordsman" doesn't mean strongest SM in the world but strongest in a specific subgroup of swordsmen with matching traits and ambitions or some shit lmfao.

Roger is canonically a Kenshi. And if he was alive, he'd be strongest Kenshi over Mihawk. Just like with WSM and WSC, this is no different.

 

[RayanOO]

Zoro doesn't give a flying fuck about dead swordsmen. He never gave a flying fuck about surpassing Ryuuma even after the name was shoved in his face over and over and over again.

Yet Ryuma was put in the road and linked to Zoro numerous times : Zoro is inspired from the Ryuma novel, Zoro fought Zombie Ryuma, visited Ryuma country, was paralleled with Ryuma numerous times, is said to be excaotly line him wants to make a black blade like Ryuma etc

So yeah I do think there is something between them and Ryuma is linked yo Zoro

Roger ? Neverrrr

Strongest Swordsman is being stronger as a swordsman. As simple as that.

That is why all the best swordsmen have black blade except Roger ? So weirddd. Must be a something behind don’t you think ?

Imagine Oda created a whole lore with black blade, with Zoro challenges and model and it’s Roger the strongest swordsman of all time. It’s stupid as fuck

hat's complicated (and frankly a cope) is you trying to pretend that "World's Strongest Swordsman" doesn't mean strongest SM in the world but strongest in a specific subgroup of swordsmen with matching traits and ambitions or some shit lmfao.

Because it’s 100000 times more logic than pretending that Roger is the strongest swordsman in history

So EOS the 4 strongest swordsmen in history will be Zoro, Ryuma , Roger and Mihawk. Guess who is the intruder lol

Roger is canonically a Kenshi. And if he was alive, he'd be strongest Kenshi over Mihawk. Just like with WSM and WSC, this is no different.

Canonically Zoro doesn’t give two shot about Roger while he was linked numerous times with Mihawk and Ryuma the two black blades weilders and those who had a sword titles. So weirdddddd

 

[Shanal]

Yet Ryuma was put in the road and linked to Zoro numerous times : Zoro is inspired from the Ryuma novel, Zoro fought Zombie Ryuma, visited Ryuma country, was paralleled with Ryuma numerous times, is said to be excaotly line him wants to make a black blade like Ryuma etc

So yeah I do think there is something between them and Ryuma is linked yo Zoro

Roger ? Neverrrr



That is why all the best swordsmen have black blade except Roger ? So weirddd. Must be a something behind don’t you think ?

Imagine Oda created a whole lore with black blade, with Zoro challenges and model and it’s Roger the strongest swordsman of all time. It’s stupid as fuck



Because it’s 100000 times more logic than pretending that Roger is the strongest swordsman in history

So EOS the 4 strongest swordsmen in history will be Zoro, Ryuma , Roger and Mihawk. Guess who is the intruder lol



Canonically Zoro doesn’t give two shot about Roger while he was linked numerous times with Mihawk and Ryuma the two black blades weilders and those who had a sword titles. So weirdddddd

Zoro doesn't need to have parallels with every goat swordsman to ever existed, specially when narratively Luffy has parallels with them, too. A good writer wouldn't share two out of only three significant parallels the MC has with another side protag. That's retarded writing.

Just like with Shanks, who has MANY comparisons with Mihawk, with Vivre card flat out claiming that Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks explicitly, yet no narrative connection presented between Zoro and Shanks. You wonder why? Because he doesn't have to have parallels with every single goat fuck out there, mate. Specially not the shared ones with Luffy. ABC of writing any fiction.

Black Blade, if it's CoA related, is just an "ability". Just like a CoO or CoC benchmark. Like FS, etc. One that Zoro wants. That's it.

And "strongest swordsman in the world" is not "Strongest swordsmen among those who have matching personality and dream" lmao. That's a fact. Strongest is a very clear word. And Roger is included in "swordsmen" canonically. No need to stretch all the way to Pluto to somehow pretend otherwise.

So EOS the 4 strongest swordsmen in history will be Zoro, Ryuma , Roger and Mihawk. Guess who is the intruder lol

They're all swordsman canonically? Check.

They'll all be in top 5 strongest ever among those who are canonically confirmed as swordsmen? Check.

To answer your question: none. Very obvious and clear.

There doesn't have to be intruder. Creature includes all creature. Men includes all men. Swordsmen includes all swordsmen. So do their respective titles. Zoro confirmed it all the way at the start of OP. There's no pure and unpure.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

@RayanOO Zoro and Mihawk are nothing alike either. Nor do I see why they need to be as well as Roger and Shanks. You are just making up random rules that were never mentioned in the manga

 

[Shanal]

@RayanOO Zoro and Mihawk are nothing alike either. Nor do I see why they need to be as well as Roger and Shanks. You are just making up random rules that were never mentioned in the manga

This is the same person who claims Coby as next Garp. Who is nothing like Garp in any manner possible in dreams, personality, way of thinking, way of life, etc lmao. But somehow Roger and Shanks have to want to be WSS and have same way of life and thinking as Zoro to even be swordsmen lol.

 

[RayanOO]

This is the same person who claims Coby as next Garp. Who is nothing like Garp in any manner possible in dreams, personality, way of thinking, way of life, etc lmao. But somehow Roger and Shanks have to want to be WSS and have same way of life and thinking as Zoro to even be swordsmen lol.

Lol you really want to se that argument ?

There is like 1000 times more connections between Coby and Garp than between Zoro / Mihawk / Ryuma and Roger


Garp trained Coby
Coby promised to chase / fight Luffy
Coby being the strongest marine of his gen
Coby being already called the hero
Coby showed insane growth / potential
Etc

So yeah it can be totally said that Coby can be the next Garp

and this has 0 link to Zoro and Roger void of links

Imagine if Roger is really the strongest sowed men in history how stupid it would be lol

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@RayanOO Zoro and Mihawk are nothing alike either. Nor do I see why they need to be as well as Roger and Shanks. You are just making up random rules that were never mentioned in the manga

Really ?

Mihawk is Zoro goal
Mihawk trained Zoro
Mihawk has a black blade and Zoro will make one
Mihawk is the WSS

And with Roger ?

Nothnnnngggggg

Do you really think someone without a black blade can be the best swordsman in the verse in the same sense as Mihawk Ryuma were and Zoro will be ?

It’s nonsense

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To answer your question: none. Very obvious and clear.

Yeah sure, all have black blades and sword titles and the same way of life but Roger is magically not an intruder. Sure

 

[Akagame]

How do you know they don't have black blades? I'm pretty sure when Shanks turn comes in the story he'll have a black blade. Kind of jumping to conclusions here it's not like we've seen much from him.

 

[Shanal]

Lol you really want to se that argument ?

There is like 1000 times more connections between Coby and Garp than between Zoro / Mihawk / Ryuma and Roger


Garp trained Coby
Coby promised to chase / fight Luffy
Coby being the strongest marine of his gen
Coby being already called the hero
Coby showed insane growth / potential
Etc

So yeah it can be totally said that Coby can be the next Garp

and this has 0 link to Zoro and Roger void of links

Imagine if Roger is really the strongest sowed men in history how stupid it would be lol

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Really ?

Mihawk is Zoro goal
Mihawk trained Zoro
Mihawk has a black blade and Zoro will make one
Mihawk is the WSS

And with Roger ?

Nothnnnngggggg

Do you really think someone without a black blade can be the best swordsman in the verse in the same sense as Mihawk Ryuma were and Zoro will be ?

It’s nonsense

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Yeah sure, all have black blades and sword titles and the same way of life but Roger is magically not an intruder. Sure

Why does Roger need to peak CoA or have a sword title to be a swordsman and otherwise be intruder?



As long as author calls him a Kenshi, he's a Kenshi. Nothing more is needed. Roger doesn't need to be WSM or God of Men just to qualify to be man for example lmao.

No one needs black blade to be among goat swordsmen if it's mostly haki based. You can be goat with more focus on CoO and CoC. Zoro's likely EoS opponent doesn't have one.

 

[DonWick]

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Zoro doesn't have a black blade.

The Zoro wank on this forum is crazy lol

 

[Vanlax]

Because Shanks and Roger doesnt have bankai.

 

[Moewu]

 

[HA001]

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The Zoro wank on this forum is crazy lol

This thread is from a sanji stan

 

[stealthblack]

This thread is from a sanji stan

You take that back!

 

[Punk Rotten]

People need to stop getting the dreams and ambitions mixed up. Now people trying to put this black sword shit like it’s some general pinnacle achievement of strength when it’s very easily depicted as elite strength AND way of life, ambition and focus of the sword. Roger and Shanks’ are tied to pirate king ambitions, not WSS. Pirates use fucking swords. Doesn’t mean they are all like focused swordsmen. It’s so far just tied to Zoro’s character dynamic of Ryuuma and Mihawk like others pointed out

 

[Shanal]

People need to stop getting the dreams and ambitions mixed up. Now people trying to put this black sword shit like it’s some general pinnacle achievement of strength when it’s very easily depicted as elite strength AND way of life, ambition and focus of the sword. Roger and Shanks’ are tied to pirate king ambitions, not WSS. Pirates use fucking swords. Doesn’t mean they are all like focused swordsmen. It’s so far just tied to Zoro’s character dynamic of Ryuuma and Mihawk like others pointed out

And just because you don't follow a certain way doesn't mean you're not a swordsman. If author calls you a Kenshi, you are a Kenshi.

And strongest Kenshi means the strongest Kenshi. That's what it literally says. Zoro describes it as someone who won't lose to any other Kenshi. Just like WSM. It doesn't matter if those men followed WB's way of life or aspired to have his title as long as they were men and his title was legit.

Just like Mihawk can't be STRONGEST Kenshi if there's an official Kenshi who is STRONGER than him.

 

[RayanOO]

Just like Mihawk can't be STRONGEST Kenshi if there's an official Kenshi who is STRONGER than him.

Yeah sure, what about Roger and WB ?
Didn’t WB was the WSM ?