General & Others Killing Vegapunk is such shitty writing and to make it worse Oda sends fodder after him.

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Meh. Naruto is awesome. Only people who care only about fighting hate on it. Naruto'story themes >>> One Piece's story themes

Naruto suffers the existance of Naruto as a protagonist. The themes of hard work and breaking your fate is hypocritically destroied by Naruto, being the strongest by having kyuubi in him and fated to become the strongest.
It was fine in the first 24 volumes, but then it's spelled big and clear, either you have eye hax or god powers, hence kyuubi defeating pein, and god naruto saving by himself the whole alliance. Comparison could be Luffy in Wano beating King, Big Mom, Queen Jack and Kaido when all his allies were on their ropes.
The themes of Naruto are spat upon by Naruto amd Sasuke existing. Guy and Rock lee personificate them, the first doing a self sacrifice that amounts to nothing and the second disappearing from the plot.
So.. where are these themes again?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Meh. Naruto is awesome. Only people who care only about fighting hate on it. Naruto'story themes >>> One Piece's story themes

“Obito is the most awesome guy I know!”

 

[Owari Da]

Meh. Naruto is awesome. Only people who care only about fighting hate on it. Naruto'story themes >>> One Piece's story themes

naruto part 1 is legit amazing, while start of shippuden is entertaining with some small hiccups, then it goes straight downhill after the pain arc.

 

[ShinichiMugi]

Naruto suffers the existance of Naruto as a protagonist. The themes of hard work and breaking your fate is hypocritically destroied by Naruto, being the strongest by having kyuubi in him and fated to become the strongest.
It was fine in the first 24 volumes, but then it's spelled big and clear, either you have eye hax or god powers, hence kyuubi defeating pein, and god naruto saving by himself the whole alliance. Comparison could be Luffy in Wano beating King, Big Mom, Queen Jack and Kaido when all his allies were on their ropes.
The themes of Naruto are spat upon by Naruto amd Sasuke existing. Guy and Rock lee personificate them, the first doing a self sacrifice that amounts to nothing and the second disappearing from the plot.
So.. where are these themes again?

See,in this comment though,whati i immediately noticed is again something that is related to power and fighting. Naruto is more than that,it talks about loneliness and discrimation,it talks about politics,with some connections to the real world (The 5 big villages who used to fight each other then made an alliance is a similar story to what happened to Europe in the 20th century). So Naruto has bad decisions in the "fight and powers" department? Cool,i'll admit it. But the point is: i dont care about that,because for me Naruto is way deeper than that.

 

[Egghead]

Yeah on the surface level this seems really retarded because it most likely is. It’s a cheap way for Luffy to get Vegapunk as an ally

 

[Red Admiral]

I'm not against Oda on this

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

See,in this comment though,whati i immediately noticed is again something that is related to power and fighting. Naruto is more than that,it talks about loneliness and discrimation,it talks about politics,with some connections to the real world (The 5 big villages who used to fight each other then made an alliance is a similar story to what happened to Europe in the 20th century). So Naruto has bad decisions in the "fight and powers" department? Cool,i'll admit it. But the point is: i dont care about that,because for me Naruto is way deeper than that.

No, it's not about fight and powers.
It's about self realisation and breaking the chains of fate.
Both themes violated by the plot of Naruto, the fact that happens through fights it's because fights are main vehicle for plot in a Shonen.
You say it's not about fights and instead bring up war and alliances, when they are one and the same.
Loneliness and discriminations are themes ONLY for the first 24 volumes.

 

[Peenix]

Naruto suffers the existance of Naruto as a protagonist. The themes of hard work and breaking your fate is hypocritically destroied by Naruto, being the strongest by having kyuubi in him and fated to become the strongest.
It was fine in the first 24 volumes, but then it's spelled big and clear, either you have eye hax or god powers, hence kyuubi defeating pein, and god naruto saving by himself the whole alliance. Comparison could be Luffy in Wano beating King, Big Mom, Queen Jack and Kaido when all his allies were on their ropes.
The themes of Naruto are spat upon by Naruto amd Sasuke existing. Guy and Rock lee personificate them, the first doing a self sacrifice that amounts to nothing and the second disappearing from the plot.
So.. where are these themes again?

imo Naruto's main theme was never hard work vs talent. That was only the theme of Rock Lee vs Gaara and Rock Lee lost that fight

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

imo Naruto's main theme was never hard work vs talent. That was only the theme of Rock Lee vs Gaara and Rock Lee lost that fight

He wants to be an hokage but cannot make simple jutsus, the only one he can use at the start he manages to use only because life of a friend is on the line.
And if that is not enough, neji's fight will be.

 

[Peenix]

He wants to be an hokage but cannot make simple jutsus, the only one he can use at the start he manages to use only because life of a friend is on the line.
And if that is not enough, neji's fight will be.

I wouldn't say that was supposed to show that Naruto lacked talent. To use a real-world comparison, it's relatively common to find kids (especially in poorer areas that lack good social services) who are very bright but don't do very well in school. Naruto was an orphan and a social pariah, so he didn't really start applying himself until Iruka showed him kindness
Neji vs Naruto was about destiny vs possibility. It wasn't about about talent vs hard work, especially considering that Naruto only won that fight because of Kurama.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I wouldn't say that was supposed to show that Naruto lacked talent. To use a real-world comparison, it's relatively common to find kids (especially in poorer areas that lack good social services) who are very bright but don't do very well in school. Naruto was an orphan and a social pariah, so he didn't really start applying himself until Iruka showed him kindness
Neji vs Naruto was about destiny vs possibility. It wasn't about about talent vs hard work, especially considering that Naruto only won that fight because of Kurama.

I said the two themes are hard work and fate, since my first message.
And in the fight with Neji Naruto says something along the line of "we are free to make our own fate".
Following 60 volumes of pre destined Sasuke vs Naruto reincarnated gods.
Come on, it's a blatant contradiction.

 

[Cinera]

Daily reminder that this is the dame guy which defends Naruto, a manga where in the last stretch the real main villain never hinted at kills ehat was the main villain up to that part.
Or where the previous main villain has a full 180 to ally with the protagonist.

That has nothing to do with whether killing Vegapunk is bad writing.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

That has nothing to do with whether killing Vegapunk is bad writing.

It is hypocrisy on his side, and also he is a known hater, opening cherrypicked and false thread like this every week. Just look at his posts history.

As for the Vegapunk killing, how can it be called good or bad writing since we know almost nothing? This is a genuine question, and i gave 2 stars to the chapter this week, eh.

 

[Hanners220]

I guess Vegapunk’s going to become an ally of the Strawhats. I just don’t understand why they plan on killing Vegapunk with weapons he created.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Didnt expect to see a monte cristo reference on this forum..., actually good example though

 

[kom5]

Meh. Naruto is awesome. Only people who care only about fighting hate on it. Naruto'story themes >>> One Piece's story themes

LOOOOL
OP story surpass Naruto in every point

Naruto aims to become a hokage then it becomes a pervert addiction for Sasuke
Also Jesus Naruto completely destroyed the story he defeated Madara and Kaguya only due Hagoromo and Kyuubi

Luffy could awaken Nika only when he reached yonko level himself this is massive difference

the fights in Naruto are better

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

LOOOOL
OP story surpass Naruto in every point

Naruto aims to become a hokage then it becomes a pervert addiction for Sasuke
Also Jesus Naruto completely destroyed the story he defeated Madara and Kaguya only due Hagoromo and Kyuubi

Luffy could awaken Nika only when he reached yonko level himself this is massive difference

the fights in Naruto are better

How can a single man spit such straight facts.
:cheers:

 

[BlackLegFring]

We don’t know the reason yet, but I’ll go against the grain and believe that Oda has a good reason for it.
If not, pretend this comment never existed like Lulusia.

 

[Fn Lucci]

The Cipher pol idea is completely stupid and so far at least, so is making any sort of attempt on vegapunk.

But obviously, a moving target like the Straw Hat crew is a different story

 

[lee33]

Opps I forgot to add that Naruto >> One Piece.