Versus Battle Hunter x Hunter vs One Piece
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What to say? HxH managed to keep an high quality lvl through the years while OP slowly sunked after Marineford until it died with Wano. Yet on the other hand HxH died too because there are no chapters (the last ones are from 2018 if I am not mistaken, before the covid, another era). So at least OP delivered something (actually a lot but the quality dropped) while HxH was on hiatus. Hope Togashi gets better but he is not so young anymore so what we can get is or the same number of chapters of the last years (0), or less.
Even now Togashi should be back with a new volume but honestly I can't say if it is a good thing. At this point I consider HxH over, Togashi can at best deliver a volune every few years but that is maybe enough to end the arc and have the crew arrive in the dark continent, if Togashi doesn't rush the chapters and with his current schedule maybe for 2030 we should have it. So at this point instead if these little bunches of chapters which reignite hope and then nothing for another 2-3-4 years I think it is better to let the manga rest. Even if I say this I know this volume will rehype me up, even considering there is literally no worthy contender for HxH right now. Still I know there's would be years of nothing after this volume so it is better just to leave it dead..
Even now Togashi should be back with a new volume but honestly I can't say if it is a good thing. At this point I consider HxH over, Togashi can at best deliver a volune every few years but that is maybe enough to end the arc and have the crew arrive in the dark continent, if Togashi doesn't rush the chapters and with his current schedule maybe for 2030 we should have it. So at this point instead if these little bunches of chapters which reignite hope and then nothing for another 2-3-4 years I think it is better to let the manga rest. Even if I say this I know this volume will rehype me up, even considering there is literally no worthy contender for HxH right now. Still I know there's would be years of nothing after this volume so it is better just to leave it dead..
One thing you'll notice between HxH and One Piece. Togashi doesn't seem to give any fan-service.
Despite the lack of connections between arcs in HxH, Togashi succeeds in storytelling within the arcs in themselves. Meanwhile, most of One Piece arcs have the same structure and Oda basically repeats his storytelling narrative so hard that he gives us "breather arcs" between two "big copy-pasta arc".
But yeh, One Piece is "going somewhere", which is originally the One Piece but it turned into "freeing the world or whatnot". Meanwhile, Gon still has to figure out what he wants to do with his life before his comeback.
As for the art that seems to have been discussed around here. That depends on many things, but one thing though, the volumes of HxH aren't scribbles unlike what some memes are saying.
Despite the lack of connections between arcs in HxH, Togashi succeeds in storytelling within the arcs in themselves. Meanwhile, most of One Piece arcs have the same structure and Oda basically repeats his storytelling narrative so hard that he gives us "breather arcs" between two "big copy-pasta arc".
But yeh, One Piece is "going somewhere", which is originally the One Piece but it turned into "freeing the world or whatnot". Meanwhile, Gon still has to figure out what he wants to do with his life before his comeback.
As for the art that seems to have been discussed around here. That depends on many things, but one thing though, the volumes of HxH aren't scribbles unlike what some memes are saying.
Plot: One Piece, while it got retconned during the years it went on, the premise is the same, HxH should have been finished after the Election arc, and now it’s drifting randomly with a cast of princes not even the most devoted fans know the entirety of their names without looking them up, and the vague hype of a new unexplored continent. One Piece, I’m still puzzled, people say it’s to free the world, global peace whatever, but there are situations like Hiyori, the treatment of the Big Mom pirates that still leave me dubious of its conclusion 1,000 chapters in.
MC: Gon, both Luffy and Gon are mentally unstable chosen ones, but Luffy somehow managed to be more special, and the whole bit about zoans having a will of their own, and Oda never explaining what Luffy means by “most free” and why he’s so interested in it, paints a disgusting, indefensible picture.
Side Characters: I’ll give it to One Piece, even in the fandoms, you see a lot of passion about even minor characters in their role of the plot and/or strength only replicated by Hisoka vs Chrollo two stocks underagebaits
Villains: One Piece, villains in One Piece get trashed a lot, but it often happens after their role is over, Oda cares about them, HxH has Pariston as the best, but he cannot carry the ship by himself, especially when accompanied by the bomber guy.
Designs: OP, absolutely, Togashi designs are too normal, while Oda is definitely a manlet obsessed with height, he’s able to create impressive designs that separate the wheat from the chaff, of course, he’s also able to create downright horrible designs, or straight up copypaste others like Katakuri being Guts, but it just accentuates the good ones. I look at the Zodiacs, and I see a bunch of hastly thrown together jobbers, even the main characters cannot escape that, as Togashi is obsessed with drawing kids.
Power System: HxH while I don’t like much nen because it lacks a Jungian element, Nen is undeniably better than haki.
Story arcs: One Piece, we’re still counting pretimeskip, and it’s not like HxH had always perfect arcs.
Incorporation of themes: One Piece. Derrida deconstructionists like Togashi are a cancer in literature, I could not believe he tried to copypaste the whole Black Book plotline in this other manga as well, the same manga that has at the start prospective hunter facing a trial to become hunters, and then get casually killed during the test just because, maybe YOUR humans are no different than insects, as they’re a caricature of what you think military institutions are, with no concrete knowledge of them, and the entire waste of resources said methods would bring, not even talking about morality, as that’s another can of worms.
And, just like Naruto, he tries to bring in the concept of the futility of revenge, Kurapika refuses to kill the Spiders, if this was real life, he would have doomed himself, as the spiders would see him as a threat regardless, but since this is a dumb shonen, pardon soft seinen, those problems will never arise.
All these scrambled messed up ideas, Hobbes already elaborated much better than he ever could try, ages before he was born, put on a pedestal by fans to hide their fanboyism in a manga about “12 year old unstable brat becomes the strongest after getting mad, and wish granting child removes all consequences”
Art: One Piece
Imagery: One Piece but ehhh, it’s not really that great.
Panelling: I’ll give it to Togashi, Oda always has this problem that he can’t let panels “breathe”
Originality: One Piece no contest
World Building: still One Piece, but it’s not the end-all-be-all it’s touted to be, characters and places are frozen, waiting for the Strawhats to arrive and do their plot.
Characterization: Hmmm, Oda has become lazy, but he knows how to emotionally manipulate his audience much better than Togashi
Enjoyment: overall, One Piece.
MC: Gon, both Luffy and Gon are mentally unstable chosen ones, but Luffy somehow managed to be more special, and the whole bit about zoans having a will of their own, and Oda never explaining what Luffy means by “most free” and why he’s so interested in it, paints a disgusting, indefensible picture.
Side Characters: I’ll give it to One Piece, even in the fandoms, you see a lot of passion about even minor characters in their role of the plot and/or strength only replicated by Hisoka vs Chrollo two stocks underagebaits
Villains: One Piece, villains in One Piece get trashed a lot, but it often happens after their role is over, Oda cares about them, HxH has Pariston as the best, but he cannot carry the ship by himself, especially when accompanied by the bomber guy.
Designs: OP, absolutely, Togashi designs are too normal, while Oda is definitely a manlet obsessed with height, he’s able to create impressive designs that separate the wheat from the chaff, of course, he’s also able to create downright horrible designs, or straight up copypaste others like Katakuri being Guts, but it just accentuates the good ones. I look at the Zodiacs, and I see a bunch of hastly thrown together jobbers, even the main characters cannot escape that, as Togashi is obsessed with drawing kids.
Power System: HxH while I don’t like much nen because it lacks a Jungian element, Nen is undeniably better than haki.
Story arcs: One Piece, we’re still counting pretimeskip, and it’s not like HxH had always perfect arcs.
Incorporation of themes: One Piece. Derrida deconstructionists like Togashi are a cancer in literature, I could not believe he tried to copypaste the whole Black Book plotline in this other manga as well, the same manga that has at the start prospective hunter facing a trial to become hunters, and then get casually killed during the test just because, maybe YOUR humans are no different than insects, as they’re a caricature of what you think military institutions are, with no concrete knowledge of them, and the entire waste of resources said methods would bring, not even talking about morality, as that’s another can of worms.
And, just like Naruto, he tries to bring in the concept of the futility of revenge, Kurapika refuses to kill the Spiders, if this was real life, he would have doomed himself, as the spiders would see him as a threat regardless, but since this is a dumb shonen, pardon soft seinen, those problems will never arise.
All these scrambled messed up ideas, Hobbes already elaborated much better than he ever could try, ages before he was born, put on a pedestal by fans to hide their fanboyism in a manga about “12 year old unstable brat becomes the strongest after getting mad, and wish granting child removes all consequences”
Art: One Piece
Imagery: One Piece but ehhh, it’s not really that great.
Panelling: I’ll give it to Togashi, Oda always has this problem that he can’t let panels “breathe”
Originality: One Piece no contest
World Building: still One Piece, but it’s not the end-all-be-all it’s touted to be, characters and places are frozen, waiting for the Strawhats to arrive and do their plot.
Characterization: Hmmm, Oda has become lazy, but he knows how to emotionally manipulate his audience much better than Togashi
Enjoyment: overall, One Piece.
What a complete load of bullshit.
There is being subjective (which we all are to some degree) and there is being a blind OP homer.
The York New, Chimera Ant and Succession War arcs dwarf anything Oda has ever come up in terms of storywriting.
Not to mention that ridiculous babbling about HxH vs OP villains.
Meruem alone is a better written antagonist than all OP villains combined. I'm not even mentioning Hisoka, Illumi or Parriston.
It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.
There is being subjective (which we all are to some degree) and there is being a blind OP homer.
The York New, Chimera Ant and Succession War arcs dwarf anything Oda has ever come up in terms of storywriting.
Not to mention that ridiculous babbling about HxH vs OP villains.
Meruem alone is a better written antagonist than all OP villains combined. I'm not even mentioning Hisoka, Illumi or Parriston.
It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.
I agree on Chimera Ant entirely, it's way too special for a shonen arc to be that good storyline-wise, but isnt York New and Succession Arc already debatable tho? To Skypiea's lost and finally found golden bell theme and Water 7-Enies Lobby carpenters' betrayal and Going Merry theme, i think both especially can contend with York New and Succession War.
About Pariston. I like him a lot, he's my favorite character right now. But what makes him so evil ? I really really don't get it. Yes, he messed up with the elections, but he seems to just be trolling around. Everything else are basically rumors created by other characters. I'm sure he'll turn out to do some harm, but for now, nothing evil was shown
HxH will always suffer from the same fate as Vagabond - a great story that will never get an ending. Tho the difference between the two is that Vagabond has an irl ending that only has to be drawn, since it's based on history. HxH on the other hand has expanded too much to ever be finished, even tho Togashi is back to drawing rn it's matter of time before he's out of commission again. And for God knows how long.
That is the biggest con HxH has, which means it will not be able to be judged as a complete story in relation to other finished manga
That is the biggest con HxH has, which means it will not be able to be judged as a complete story in relation to other finished manga
I think One Piece is great at times, and arcs like Skypiea and Water 7 are funny yet emotional and epic. And Marineford is also a wonderful arc, it does throw powerscaling out the window with some moments but people need to remember that the arc is indeed supposed to just be an emotional struggle for Luffy and there is a ticking time bomb where he HAS to reach Ace or Ace and possibly Luffy him self get executed. It's heart breaking to see someone go through so many desperate attempts to save their adopted brother and be willing to actually throw away their life for him, and Luffy's reaction when Akainu murders Ace is easily one of the most emotional and "horrible" scenes in fiction. And I mean horrible in the sense that Akainu's action was horrible, and Oda really nailed his character, he makes the viewer want to pop into the screen and beat the shit out of the villain. This is despite the fact that Ace didn't have a ton of screen time especially for someone who is quite literally the adoptive brother of the main character and the son of one of the most important characters in that world. But, even though all that is definitely astonishing, Oda still has some problems. I'm not going deep into the few scenes where it kind of feels like he's being a sexist for no reason, but he kind of does rehash the " princess who is in desperate need of help and support while her home and family are threatened " trope a ton. Here's a few examples:
Vivi ( actually a great character despite being an example of this trope, mainly because it's his first example of it, so it was not at all redundant or annoying yet ).
Rebecca ( She's mainly annoying because she is basically a 16 year old who wears a slutty battle outfit and basically does circus acts instead of actually trying to harm people. No, really, she actually goes by some policy of not hurting people, even if said people were actually implied to have done heinous things to their relatives, or people affiliated with the criminals that did things to her family ).
Hiyori ( The following image will show a line she said to someone who's been oppressing her and her bloodline for two whole decades now, and after that the guy escaped from the rocks that were restraining her and she could only sit there and watch as he was about to try and kill her )
and now Jewelry Bonney, though her backstory IS actually sad, mainly because we've seen a certain character from said backstory and have seen some somber moments with them, and I won't even spoil the backstory because it is actually well written and is probably a genuine plot twist. All I'm gonna say is she certainly isn't a weak clown who needs a ton of help to save her self or others.
Overall, I think One Piece is amazing, great story, some marvelous characters, and the art isn't half bad either.
And uh, sorry for the essay about it, when ever I watch online reviews of stuff like movies I kind of feel like talking about certain franchises my self.
Vivi ( actually a great character despite being an example of this trope, mainly because it's his first example of it, so it was not at all redundant or annoying yet ).
Rebecca ( She's mainly annoying because she is basically a 16 year old who wears a slutty battle outfit and basically does circus acts instead of actually trying to harm people. No, really, she actually goes by some policy of not hurting people, even if said people were actually implied to have done heinous things to their relatives, or people affiliated with the criminals that did things to her family ).
Hiyori ( The following image will show a line she said to someone who's been oppressing her and her bloodline for two whole decades now, and after that the guy escaped from the rocks that were restraining her and she could only sit there and watch as he was about to try and kill her )
and now Jewelry Bonney, though her backstory IS actually sad, mainly because we've seen a certain character from said backstory and have seen some somber moments with them, and I won't even spoil the backstory because it is actually well written and is probably a genuine plot twist. All I'm gonna say is she certainly isn't a weak clown who needs a ton of help to save her self or others.
Overall, I think One Piece is amazing, great story, some marvelous characters, and the art isn't half bad either.
And uh, sorry for the essay about it, when ever I watch online reviews of stuff like movies I kind of feel like talking about certain franchises my self.
Which series do you think is better and which one do you prefer?
Some criteria:
-Plot
-Main characters
-Side characters
-Villains
-Character designs
-Power system
-Story arcs
-Incorporation of themes
-Art
-Imagery
-Panelling
-Originality
-World building
-Characterization
-Enjoyment
- Etc.
VS
@Chrono @dirtyLarry @Jaje Na Oko @LuffyMazino @TheKnightOfTheSea @Nana @Fujishiro @lee33
@RayanOO help out with some more tags.
Some criteria:
-Plot
-Main characters
-Side characters
-Villains
-Character designs
-Power system
-Story arcs
-Incorporation of themes
-Art
-Imagery
-Panelling
-Originality
-World building
-Characterization
-Enjoyment
- Etc.
VS
@Chrono @dirtyLarry @Jaje Na Oko @LuffyMazino @TheKnightOfTheSea @Nana @Fujishiro @lee33
@RayanOO help out with some more tags.
Rate of production does not matter in the slightest
Devil may cry 5's last game was years ago and people still were excited for the new entry.
People need to have patetince. Dont be the trend of the week type guy else you end up like the mcu where everyone hates or likes it for a week then forgets it about it