Powers & Abilities A lot of "Haki" can now "counter devil fruits" sigh....
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This just something Oda uses when its convenient LoL
Its basically = If someones powers are extremely broken (can possibly one shot you with ease) then it might get extremely nerfed with anyone's haki (if you aren't fodder or portraited as extremely inferior)
Tricky DF powers can also get countered with ease with haki
If the difference in power is too big, then there are much higher chances of almost everything working in the stronger one's favor
Its basically = If someones powers are extremely broken (can possibly one shot you with ease) then it might get extremely nerfed with anyone's haki (if you aren't fodder or portraited as extremely inferior)
Tricky DF powers can also get countered with ease with haki
If the difference in power is too big, then there are much higher chances of almost everything working in the stronger one's favor
To answer your first question, not everyone agrees with you that oda is a terrible writer, to the contrary I think most people disagree.
To answer most of the other questions you have, haki is based off ones power of will so it's not a set level, their will can falter if they become discouraged or lose hope. The knowledge that strong enough haki can overwhelm a devilfruit ability is enough to keep someone from losing hope and their will to overcome. We don't know much about the level of haki of those turned to toys by sugar and if they didn't know that haki could overwhelm her abilities then it's pretty easy to see how they would become discouraged and lose their will.
Doffy both overestimated vergo and underestimated law, Virgo may have strong armament haki but he didn't have the kind of will power needed to win where as laws entire life revolved around beating doffy so he obviously wasn't going to let himself lose to one of his subordinates.
As for pudding, nobody was on their guard and using haki to defend from ger abilities.
On to blackbeard and boa, it's not difficult to believe that boa has stronger haki than blackbeard but that doesnt mean hes weak as shit. his crew revolves around the belief that devilfruit will conquor the sea not haki, he's like the opposite of shanks in that aspect who has a well rounded crew that all use haki but don't have any devilfruit that we know of. Also we have no clue if blackbeard or his crew knew that they were even able to use haki to overwhelm a devilfruit ability.
And finally blackbeard believes the yami yami no mi to be the most powerful devilfruit in existence, with it he is able to steal other devilfruit and give them to his crew, doing so he is amplifying an already strong crew by giving them specific devil fruit that compliment their individual fighting styles.
In conclusion all of your complaints seem to be derived from your own narrow-minded way of thinking, if you spent less time complaining and insulting and more time trying to understand and analyze the information you're given you probably wouldn't have as many complaints and would be an overall happier person.
Oda isn't worried about how the fans rate his power system when they're arguing online. He litteraly waited like 25 years to reveal luffys real devilfruit, and you expect him to explain everything about haki from the beginning, he showed Rayleigh demonstrating Ryu when luffy started his timeskip training but luffy didn't even realize that what he was doing was different until he made it to wano. Your expectations are the only problem, it's not your story so if you drop the unrealistic expectations you'll probably enjoy the story more.
To answer most of the other questions you have, haki is based off ones power of will so it's not a set level, their will can falter if they become discouraged or lose hope. The knowledge that strong enough haki can overwhelm a devilfruit ability is enough to keep someone from losing hope and their will to overcome. We don't know much about the level of haki of those turned to toys by sugar and if they didn't know that haki could overwhelm her abilities then it's pretty easy to see how they would become discouraged and lose their will.
Doffy both overestimated vergo and underestimated law, Virgo may have strong armament haki but he didn't have the kind of will power needed to win where as laws entire life revolved around beating doffy so he obviously wasn't going to let himself lose to one of his subordinates.
As for pudding, nobody was on their guard and using haki to defend from ger abilities.
On to blackbeard and boa, it's not difficult to believe that boa has stronger haki than blackbeard but that doesnt mean hes weak as shit. his crew revolves around the belief that devilfruit will conquor the sea not haki, he's like the opposite of shanks in that aspect who has a well rounded crew that all use haki but don't have any devilfruit that we know of. Also we have no clue if blackbeard or his crew knew that they were even able to use haki to overwhelm a devilfruit ability.
And finally blackbeard believes the yami yami no mi to be the most powerful devilfruit in existence, with it he is able to steal other devilfruit and give them to his crew, doing so he is amplifying an already strong crew by giving them specific devil fruit that compliment their individual fighting styles.
In conclusion all of your complaints seem to be derived from your own narrow-minded way of thinking, if you spent less time complaining and insulting and more time trying to understand and analyze the information you're given you probably wouldn't have as many complaints and would be an overall happier person.
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Oda isn't worried about how the fans rate his power system when they're arguing online. He litteraly waited like 25 years to reveal luffys real devilfruit, and you expect him to explain everything about haki from the beginning, he showed Rayleigh demonstrating Ryu when luffy started his timeskip training but luffy didn't even realize that what he was doing was different until he made it to wano. Your expectations are the only problem, it's not your story so if you drop the unrealistic expectations you'll probably enjoy the story more.
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Why do you guys always leave it to me to create a thread on how terrible Oda's writing is? You guys need to pick up the slack for once gahh. Oda creating nonsense out his ass again. Looks like Law was powering up his super saiyan transformation.
No we did not know this from Punk Hazard. A vague line by Doffy about "cutting powers" doesn't mean you can counter all devil fruits especially when we came across many scenarios of devil fruit powers being used against people with greater haki.
Oda writes things that continue making us question preestablished events because he keeps putting himself in difficult scenarios so he has to create shit out his ass. "Law devil fruit is hax so let me nerf it and say "Big Mom and Kaido haki is too strong"".
No we did not know this from Punk Hazard. A vague line by Doffy about "cutting powers" doesn't mean you can counter all devil fruits especially when we came across many scenarios of devil fruit powers being used against people with greater haki.
Oda writes things that continue making us question preestablished events because he keeps putting himself in difficult scenarios so he has to create shit out his ass. "Law devil fruit is hax so let me nerf it and say "Big Mom and Kaido haki is too strong"".
- Why did Sugar need to be knocked out?
- Why did Sugar abilities work on all those people with greater haki?
- If you need top tier haki then why did Doffy say Vergo can block Law's devil fruit power when clearly Vergo doesn't have top tier haki?
- Why does Pudding power work against people with greater haki?
- Why did Blackbeard say Hancock devil fruit will work on him? Is Oda implying BB is weak as heck?
- So now every top tier haki user has BB Yami yami devil fruit where they can negate devil fruit powers? So why did BB spend so much time getting the Yami yami when he could have just developed his haki?
- Etc.
The two strongest beings in OPverse
Sugar got weak ones
Law did counter Doffys strings with his haki
Vergo was a fodder
BB prob didn't have that much experience like Kaido and BM
It's easy haki works against everything thats the best and that's why Roger or Garp didn't need any DF power
BB is just greedy he will soon learn that haki is supreme
I personaly dont mind that we still dont know the full capacity of haki and devil fruits. Oda teased us 15 years ago in SBS Volume 48 from 2007 that a certain scientist will appear in the near future and explain everything about the devil fruits to us.
(15 years = the near future for Oda btw)
- how objects can eat devil fruits and become animated
- the mysterious will that devil fruits have
- Luffys fruit and the connection between Joy Boy and Nika
- Blackbeard, why is he the only Person that has 2 or more devil fruits abilities and didn't die from it. Also how does he steal the devil fruits from others.
- and also what is the secret behind devil fruit users weakness to water
According to Oda's own words in volume 48, all these questions will be answered now that Vegapunk has finally appeared in the manga. we have been waiting for decades to learn about the secrets of devil fruits so our patience will be rewarded soon.
However. If we leave some Infos out in this Arc Oda will be on fraud watch for me. No excuses we are literally here. Right time, right moment.
Just do it Oda
(15 years = the near future for Oda btw)
- how objects can eat devil fruits and become animated
- the mysterious will that devil fruits have
- Luffys fruit and the connection between Joy Boy and Nika
- Blackbeard, why is he the only Person that has 2 or more devil fruits abilities and didn't die from it. Also how does he steal the devil fruits from others.
- and also what is the secret behind devil fruit users weakness to water
According to Oda's own words in volume 48, all these questions will be answered now that Vegapunk has finally appeared in the manga. we have been waiting for decades to learn about the secrets of devil fruits so our patience will be rewarded soon.
However. If we leave some Infos out in this Arc Oda will be on fraud watch for me. No excuses we are literally here. Right time, right moment.
Just do it Oda
I saw people bring up Sugar after the fact and no one had an actual counter just argued against what Dressrosa said and showed.
People with far greater haki than Sugar got turned to toys. Including Kyros the legendary gladiator for years and he beat a chairmen immediately when he got turned back. Cavendish, Sai, Chinjao, etc
People with far greater haki than Sugar got turned to toys. Including Kyros the legendary gladiator for years and he beat a chairmen immediately when he got turned back. Cavendish, Sai, Chinjao, etc
I like that Haki can counter DFs but the thing is that we'll always be confused if a specific ability can be countered or not since not all abilities are the same/can be countered which is kinda trash tbh.
It seems to me that Oda only added this in to somehow counter DF's very haxed abilities that are very hard to counter, especially the ones where you don't really need to actually hit your opponent. Like Law could have moved anyone to the sea and drowned them and there's nothing they could do about it, or Doc Q can infect anyone without direct contact or having to come close...
It seems to me that Oda only added this in to somehow counter DF's very haxed abilities that are very hard to counter, especially the ones where you don't really need to actually hit your opponent. Like Law could have moved anyone to the sea and drowned them and there's nothing they could do about it, or Doc Q can infect anyone without direct contact or having to come close...
2. Sugar never used her ability on anyone with good haki, and the rest who she turned to toys riding seem to know about haki countering other abilities, I mean the characters only learned this from fighting yonko
3. Doffy just underestimated Law, he thought Vergo could beat Law which he clearly couldnt
4. Pudding never used her ability on anyone with decent haki
5. BB was scared of Boa because the gap between them is not that big and Boa is a master of all haki herself
6. Yami Yami no Mi can pretty much work on 95% of the world only top tiers can counter it, that’s why Teach needed the Gura to compensate
I just don’t get why people complaining about this, from the very beginning we were told haki is the power to counter ability users
