Powers & Abilities A lot of "Haki" can now "counter devil fruits" sigh....
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Headcanon is not fact. The only thing he mastered was hardening and that is what shown in the Dressrosa. And funny that you even come to conclusion that adCoA or flowing haki counter sugar. 
Right now I believe Law has advCoA that's why he can counter Doc.Q, an ability Zoro already had out of skip
Not disingenuous at all. Just pointing out inconsistencies in the explanation and execution.
If Oda pick one thing to execute and stick with it that would be one thing.
If Oda have a nuanced explanation to haki and mostly stick to that it would be another thing.
But right now we have no real explanation and no real consistency in execution.
DF have always been the same way tbh, but because they are all so different functionally with each user having different powers anyways, they are more like a soft magic system than any hard magic system. Haki is more in line with a hard magic system which needs clear rules.
If Oda pick one thing to execute and stick with it that would be one thing.
If Oda have a nuanced explanation to haki and mostly stick to that it would be another thing.
But right now we have no real explanation and no real consistency in execution.
DF have always been the same way tbh, but because they are all so different functionally with each user having different powers anyways, they are more like a soft magic system than any hard magic system. Haki is more in line with a hard magic system which needs clear rules.
It aint about having Haki, it is about knowing to do so...
Example, Luffy could use armament haki but didnt know he could use that same haki for internal attacks, defensive powers or even flow his haki out.
As Law mentioned, he understood this after his fight against Big Mom and Kaido, so it aint about haki, it is about knowledge. So those who can escape from the effect of a DF depends on haki and knowledge.
Example, Luffy could use armament haki but didnt know he could use that same haki for internal attacks, defensive powers or even flow his haki out.
As Law mentioned, he understood this after his fight against Big Mom and Kaido, so it aint about haki, it is about knowledge. So those who can escape from the effect of a DF depends on haki and knowledge.
Headcanon is not fact. The only thing he mastered was hardening and that is what shown in the Dressrosa. And funny that you even come to conclusion that adCoA or flowing haki counter sugar.
Law doesnt have coc
So its clear the armament haki counters it
Or u think it s the obs haki?
I saw you say this a number of times but this was never stated nor even implied in the manga. It's not a haki vs haki thing. Its a haki vs DF thing. Sugar's haki is irrelevent
This was never stated nor implied. Vergo's haki simply wasn't strong enough to block a slash of that scale. Law's haki was never even implied to be a part of the equation
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This was never stated nor implied. Vergo's haki simply wasn't strong enough to block a slash of that scale. Law's haki was never even implied to be a part of the equation
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I think people just shouldn't generalize. Strong Haki is effective in countering DF Hax. But apart from that, if we take an elemental power for example, while strong Haki can solidify Logias or maybe even interfere with their usage, you cannot nullify their effects. Like, if a magma fist blows a hole in you, Haki won't magically regenerate it. If Aokiji freezes you to the core, you cannot dispel the ice with Haki, since you became a chunk of ice and lost consciousness. Being frozen is just the result of the power, not the power in action.
Oda at least has put a limit only selected ones will be able to nullify most DF effects.
Obviously those with 3 types of haki have the most potential ,those who awaken the advanced versions surely are the truly future top tiers for EOS.
Even though law countered Doc Q DF he is currently in the average level I'll say.
Obviously those with 3 types of haki have the most potential ,those who awaken the advanced versions surely are the truly future top tiers for EOS.
Even though law countered Doc Q DF he is currently in the average level I'll say.
There's nothing inconsistent that I see reading the manga so far. @Momonosuke post #65 actually explained this situation at best, saving me the time to write all this too lol. I encourage you to read it.
The rules look pretty clear to me. Just as you said each DF have different functionally and different powers...While you have haki that is based off ones power of will(explained by manga)
So what happens when a DF power, designed with abilities that completely alter a users will, encounters one who can use their will as power? Clearly ones with an ability to use their will as a form a power(haki) comes in play when their will is being altered.
I think the rules have been consistent to say "curse magic" DF abilities can be countered by strong haki. With ones haki needing to be stronger then the curse user to determine the effects of being cursed.
The rules look pretty clear to me. Just as you said each DF have different functionally and different powers...While you have haki that is based off ones power of will(explained by manga)
So what happens when a DF power, designed with abilities that completely alter a users will, encounters one who can use their will as power? Clearly ones with an ability to use their will as a form a power(haki) comes in play when their will is being altered.
I think the rules have been consistent to say "curse magic" DF abilities can be countered by strong haki. With ones haki needing to be stronger then the curse user to determine the effects of being cursed.