Nobody is going to heaven Part 2
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How many people do you think there have been in the last 2022 years? Pretty much every single one of them has made guesses about the future, a few of them are bound to be right, and you can't possibly know all the facts about some random children from over 100 years ago, they could have met travelers from the region and been told how they feel about Christians or any other of the countless possible realistic scenarios. But one possibility you need to take into account that is exponentially more realistic than God told them about ww2 is that the whole story is just propaganda created by the church. This story was from 1917, ww2 was from 1939-1945 and the internet was invented in the 70s. The idea that the information was passed down perfectly and 100% factually without any discrepancies throughout that time is ridiculous. Have you ever heard of the children's game telephone? It is used to prove how information is changed from one person to another in the span of a few minutes when passed from person to person.
Also,don't approach spirituality intelectualy. Do some kind of practice,i'm not pointing you into any religion.Just go out there and experiment with stuff.Buddhism might be a good start for you,since they don't have any dogmas and don't really believe or disbelief in "god".Just plz don't learn crazy mojos to mess with people,everything has a consequence.
Also,don't approach spirituality intellectually. Do some kind of practice,i'm not pointing you into any religion.Just go out there and experiment with stuff.Buddhism might be a good start for you,since they don't have any dogmas and don't really believe or disbelief in "god".Just plz don't learn crazy mojos to mess with people,everything has a consequence.
I agree,but what about the thousands of eye witnesses and documents proving that very sick people got cured from shit that was supposed to kill them?Historical/Medical records can't be forged in mass.what about the stories passed down from the families that had some relative cured from some weird stuff from that time.I will search up this later on and bring it here.Now i'm off to bed.
Also,this argument:"don't believe it just because some one said it" is kind bad.One of the first martyrs of the church was the man that killed Jesus with a spear.It was said that water spilled into his eyes and he got healed from whatever was messing with his eyesight.He refused to lie and got beheaded for it.He was a high ranking officer of the roman empire.Why would such a man lose his head over some fairy tale?he probably didn't even know jesus teachings,he speared jesus body after all...I'm not here to point fingers and judge anyone,all i'm saying is look stuff up and try to have your own experiences.I was atheist in the past,today i'm not.I know both sides of the game.Find your way.God bless you and good night to everyone.
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I agree,but what about the thousands of eye witnesses and documents proving that very sick people got cured from shit that was supposed to kill them?Historical/Medical records can't be forged in mass.what about the stories passed down from the families that had some relative cured from some weird stuff from that time.I will search up this later on and bring it here.Now i'm off to bed.
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Also,this argument:"don't believe it just because some one said it" is kind bad.One of the first martyrs of the church was the man that killed Jesus with a spear.It was said that water spilled into his eyes and he got healed from whatever was messing with his eyesight.He refused to lie and got beheaded for it.He was a high ranking officer of the roman empire.Why would such a man lose his head over some fairy tale?he probably didn't even know jesus teachings,he speared jesus body after all...I'm not here to point fingers and judge anyone,all i'm saying is look stuff up and try to have your own experiences.I was atheist in the past,today i'm not.I know both sides of the game.Find your way.God bless you and good night to everyone.
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I grew up around both going to church with Christians and doing ceremonies in the woods with Native Americans I know the difference between spirituality and intellectual, rational thought. I don't have any issues with people being spiritual or religious and believing what they want to believe, my issue is with people who blindly believe the impossible and throw common sense and rational thought out the window. The religious fanatics who have an issue with everyone who doesn't mindlessly believe the same way they do are the problem. The people who prioritize any religion first are the problem. The people who leave things they have the ability to change "in God's hands" are the problem. We as human beings need to start putting humanity as a whole first, the wellbeing of the planet that provides us with the resources we all need to survive should come before any religion. The well-being of and the development of the next generations should take priority over any religions. But ancient concepts like "putting God first" are a problem when it comes to humanity's advancement, and people like the jackass who created this thread preaching nonsense in an anime/manga forum are beyond idiotic.
Did you ever do ayuhasca?I'm very interested in that stuff,neuroscientists here in Brazil are saying it helps your neuroplasticity to change stuff.Like throwing water into clay.Back on topic:well,your last sentences is the most christrian thing someone could say."Love your brother as you love yourself"you get it...About "putting god first":we don't know why we are here and what for.So we could interpret this as people back in the day trying to figure out the answer for this,so they could bear the sufferings of life.That was a way for people to give meaning to life.Jesus himself worked on "holy" days if he needed to.I agree 100% with you on stupid people being used by ill intended religious leaders and fanatics.This stuff is obviously happening and will keep happening in the future.But it's not god's fault if people fuck up.If god decided everything for you,you wouldn't have free will after all.This here is the general chat,anyone can post threads about anything here as long they stay respectful.OP started a debate about the concept of heaven in part 1.This is what these threads are about.
go on ahead.plz do.Just don't call people names and be civil.
yep,no one should be forced into any religion,that is not God's way(at least not how i understand God currently).Faith should be genuine,you should worship out of love not duty.Religion is a social pillar too,so obviously it is tainted with a lot of bullshit that people in the past came up with for a numbers of reasons.Every smart adults should understand that and then strive to figure out the true spirituality from the dogmas created by men.
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go on ahead.plz do.Just don't call people names and be civil.
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yep,no one should be forced into any religion,that is not God's way(at least not how i understand God currently).Faith should be genuine,you should worship out of love not duty.Religion is a social pillar too,so obviously it is tainted with a lot of bullshit that people in the past came up with for a numbers of reasons.Every smart adults should understand that and then strive to figure out the true spirituality from the dogmas created by men.
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To answer your question no I've never done ayahuasca. I've seen people do peyote but I was just a child so I didn't participate
As for the other part, those religious leaders with ill intent and fanatics are the one who have made religion what it is today, they are the ones who chose what was in the written word as its been translated through the generations and they are the ones who spread their religion across the world in the form of crusades killing those they deemed as heathens for having their own beliefs.
If someone wants to learn about a religion they will ask and that's great, understanding is great. What is not great or even good would be people like the jackass who created this thread trying to shove religion down people's throats in an anime/manga forum.
I agree this is a general chat but that means for topics about anime/manga in general. This is not a forum for him to push his religious beliefs on others. I have absolutely no respect for people like that. His mom should have swallowed or aborted him.
As for the other part, those religious leaders with ill intent and fanatics are the one who have made religion what it is today, they are the ones who chose what was in the written word as its been translated through the generations and they are the ones who spread their religion across the world in the form of crusades killing those they deemed as heathens for having their own beliefs.
If someone wants to learn about a religion they will ask and that's great, understanding is great. What is not great or even good would be people like the jackass who created this thread trying to shove religion down people's throats in an anime/manga forum.
I agree this is a general chat but that means for topics about anime/manga in general. This is not a forum for him to push his religious beliefs on others. I have absolutely no respect for people like that. His mom should have swallowed or aborted him.
One more thing,the planet is doing fine mostly.Global warming is bullshit,but the air/sea pollution is not.Overpopulation is not scientific.As long we don't start sending nukes all over the place everything will be alright for us.stay chill.
Don't say stuff like that about his mom.You don't know they guy,we don't even know why he created this thread.a few months ago there a dude here talking about committing suicide and people were trolling.The internet is an extension of your home,you need to talk to people here the same way you talk to them face to face.
never heard about peyote before.I will google it later on.
You do realize there was no bible back in Jesus's days right?There were only oral teachings and some scriptures!The catholic church came up with the Bible.
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Don't say stuff like that about his mom.You don't know they guy,we don't even know why he created this thread.a few months ago there a dude here talking about committing suicide and people were trolling.The internet is an extension of your home,you need to talk to people here the same way you talk to them face to face.
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never heard about peyote before.I will google it later on.
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You do realize there was no bible back in Jesus's days right?There were only oral teachings and some scriptures!The catholic church came up with the Bible.
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No that's impossible because the scriptures said that will not happen. Angels are holding back the kings. Everyone is preparing for war but what they don't realize is that they are preparing to war against Jesus. Jesus said he make man scarce when he comes back. Which means he will kill soo many people that seeing people will be rare. The sooner people realize how dangerous GOD is the better it will be for them.
Now Israel had a law that required a brother to take his sister in law as wife if his brother died before that woman had children. This was one of those cases. GOD killed him because Onan was EVIL. Point, blank and period. He used that woman to fulfill his lust. If he didn't want her he should not have been having sex with her but he did and ejaculated outside. GOD immediately killed him.
GOD's very first commandment was to be fruitful and multiply. Just because its not apart of the ten doesn't mean it is not a commandment. We are to marry and have a children and GOD knew that Onan had zero intention of reproducing. That woman would have been a sex slave. Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, he was not gonna let an evil man ruin his plans to save the world. Run down the family tree and you will realize Jesus came directly from Judah and that woman who Onan was using as a sex slave.
Can you provide a list of the contractions in this book?
Yes there was and I can prove that. You are 100% wrong I can quote scriptures with Jesus reading, where did you get this obvious lie? I prove everything I say with scriptures because if I just say it you will say I am lying. I am not a pastor, all I do is read the book and do what it says. My job is to warn people about all the lies we are being fed. I wasn't intending on tagging anyone but I will tag you on the next lesson I post.
1 Thessalonians 5: 21
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Yes
Now Israel had a law that required a brother to take his sister in law as wife if his brother died before that woman had children. This was one of those cases. GOD killed him because Onan was EVIL. Point, blank and period. He used that woman to fulfill his lust. If he didn't want her he should not have been having sex with her but he did and ejaculated outside. GOD immediately killed him.
GOD's very first commandment was to be fruitful and multiply. Just because its not apart of the ten doesn't mean it is not a commandment. We are to marry and have a children and GOD knew that Onan had zero intention of reproducing. That woman would have been a sex slave. Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, he was not gonna let an evil man ruin his plans to save the world. Run down the family tree and you will realize Jesus came directly from Judah and that woman who Onan was using as a sex slave.
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Can you provide a list of the contractions in this book?
Yes there was and I can prove that. You are 100% wrong I can quote scriptures with Jesus reading, where did you get this obvious lie? I prove everything I say with scriptures because if I just say it you will say I am lying. I am not a pastor, all I do is read the book and do what it says. My job is to warn people about all the lies we are being fed. I wasn't intending on tagging anyone but I will tag you on the next lesson I post.
1 Thessalonians 5: 21
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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There were hebrew scriptures and oral tradition.That became the old testament,the new testament was compiled by the catholic church.Fusing both created the Bible we have now.If the Roman Church didn't compile the Bible the way it is,you would not have it.It would be a bunch of scattered books and stories.There would be no King james bible or any other bible for that matter.The Roman Church came up with the new testament,translated the hebrew scriptures and added the oral tradition into it.The bible was compiled in the fourth century,a few centuries after Jesus's death.
Tag me away.I like this debate.
https://anneethompson.com/2019/04/01/who-compiled-the-bible/ found a good summary about this in a blog.
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Tag me away.I like this debate.
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https://anneethompson.com/2019/04/01/who-compiled-the-bible/ found a good summary about this in a blog.
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Again this is false. King James was trying to piss off the pope when he translated the bible. The roman catholic has their own doctrine. I literally proved that by showing no one except Jesus has ascended into heaven, yet the roman catholic are preaching that people go to heaven. Christmas is not even in the bible yet the whole world deal with it because Rome brought that in. Romans are not responsible for writing the bible. Jesus was reading the book Isaiah when he came in the flesh. Right now I can't find that scripture, I don't like talking. I prefer to let the bible defend itself and since I can't find the scriptures at the moment imma leave this alone.
Ok this is her opinion. I know this because this author displayed their lack of knowledge. So let me break down the issue with this blog
1. She kept saying "Jews". Jews came from Judah. That's only ONE tribe out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL. Moses and Aaron were Levites. Moses was the only Prophet GOD spake to mouth to mouth. So Imma kill this write now, Moses wrote the first 5 books because Jesus said he did. The bible can only contradict itself if people think Jesus is a liar. Everything that came out of Jesus mouth is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Jesus said Moses wrote of him so Moses wrote the first 5 books so right off the bat this author is lying.
John 5: 46
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
Numbers 12: 6 - 8
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
2. She wrote this: "So, what about the New Testament? Well, after Jesus left, the people who believed in him, began to separate from the Jews into a new religion". The biggest problem with this is if they turned to a new religion then they are no longer Jesus servants. Anyone who turns from their righteousness will die. Jesus only have one doctrine.
3. They still regarded the 39 books to be scripture, their holy books, and when in the New Testament letters they refer to ‘scripture’, this is what they meant.
This is why the world is filled with lies. The old testament are all scriptures and the new testament is testimony. She has too many opinions in this blog. This is why I am constantly dropping scriptures. I don't want people to believe me. I want them to believe what they read. Jesus was in the flesh telling his followers to search the scriptures because it spoke about him, that's how they found him. They had to read. The law is the old testament and the testimony is the new testament.
Isaiah 8: 20
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
John 5: 39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
4. The LOST BOOKS are nonsense and were not written by anyone who worships Jesus in spirit and truth.[/QUOTE]
Ok this is her opinion. I know this because this author displayed their lack of knowledge. So let me break down the issue with this blog
1. She kept saying "Jews". Jews came from Judah. That's only ONE tribe out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL. Moses and Aaron were Levites. Moses was the only Prophet GOD spake to mouth to mouth. So Imma kill this write now, Moses wrote the first 5 books because Jesus said he did. The bible can only contradict itself if people think Jesus is a liar. Everything that came out of Jesus mouth is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Jesus said Moses wrote of him so Moses wrote the first 5 books so right off the bat this author is lying.
John 5: 46
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
Numbers 12: 6 - 8
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
2. She wrote this: "So, what about the New Testament? Well, after Jesus left, the people who believed in him, began to separate from the Jews into a new religion". The biggest problem with this is if they turned to a new religion then they are no longer Jesus servants. Anyone who turns from their righteousness will die. Jesus only have one doctrine.
3. They still regarded the 39 books to be scripture, their holy books, and when in the New Testament letters they refer to ‘scripture’, this is what they meant.
This is why the world is filled with lies. The old testament are all scriptures and the new testament is testimony. She has too many opinions in this blog. This is why I am constantly dropping scriptures. I don't want people to believe me. I want them to believe what they read. Jesus was in the flesh telling his followers to search the scriptures because it spoke about him, that's how they found him. They had to read. The law is the old testament and the testimony is the new testament.
Isaiah 8: 20
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
John 5: 39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
4. The LOST BOOKS are nonsense and were not written by anyone who worships Jesus in spirit and truth.[/QUOTE]
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The new testament was being spread by Jesus and his apostles as oral tradition and later on they were compiled into books.This is common sense,every historian says this.Wtf are you on about?
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You must have reading comprehension issues,that is not what she said at all.She said some Jews adopted Jesus teachings and separated themselves from other jews,meaning they became Christians.
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Yes,the Romans adopted a lot of pagan stuff into Christianity,because that way the different people from the Roman Empire could join Christianity.This is common sense too.
The new testament was being spread by Jesus and his apostles as oral tradition and later on they were compiled into books.This is common sense,every historian says this.Wtf are you on about?
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You must have reading comprehension issues,that is not what she said at all.She said some Jews adopted Jesus teachings and separated themselves from other jews,meaning they became Christians.
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Yes,the Romans adopted a lot of pagan stuff into Christianity,because that way the different people from the Roman Empire could join Christianity.This is common sense too.
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When Obama was president he was in process of making history. However someone was keeping record of everything he did. A few years later we can read stuff of what Obama did while he was president.
The apostles witness what Jesus did and wrote it down. Even Peter himself said they were eyewitness of Jesus. HOWEVER the old testament was already written. Peter even said if you get confused by what they wrote go back to the prophets (the old testament) because it is more clear than what they wrote (that's why you need both books). That's how they found Jesus in the 1st place, by reading the scriptures.
2 Peter 1: 16, 19
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Then I told you that they were not Jesus apostles because Jesus apostles didn't adopt some...THEY DID EVERYTHING Jesus said. I understand your point but I hope you see what I am saying. People who believe Christ do everything he says not some.
Yes so if they adopted evil then they are not Christians' they are knock offs. Now let me address some things.
If you are saying Jesus is a liar then there is nothing else to talk about. Jesus said Moses wrote about him. He didn't say Moses talked about him. Also the issue here is that she said "Jews". THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS ARE ISRAELITES. Jew is only one tribe. God separated Jew from other tribes of Israel because of what King Solomon did. That's how a religion got started and it was not started by Jesus, that's why the Jews rejected him when he came because Jesus flat out told them, that they were evil and that's why I don't deal with religion. Whatever Jesus has written down is doctrine....ALL OF IT. Religion pick and choose what they like and ignore everything else, that's not gonna fly with me. Pay attention when you read the bible and ask God for wisdom.
Also, Paul WAS NOT a jew. Paul was a Benjamite. They were called jews because God scattered Israel and people were ignorant of it just like they are today because people don't read GOD's words. As wise Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.
Romans 1 :1
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
I just proved that a Benjamite wrote several books in the new testament that woman don't know what she is talking about.
Luke 4: 16
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Wait a minute Jesus stood up to.....READ?? He didn't quote Isaiah he was actually reading a book?? I believe what I read which is why I am disagreeing with you here and that woman who wrote the blog.
Luke 4: 17
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
8 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
WAIT A MINUTE...IT SAYS THAT JESUS CLOSED THE BOOK. So what was Jesus reading if the romans wrote the bible? Jesus even had to look for what he wanted because there was no chapters or verses. Man was the one who divided the bible into chapters and verses. Lets see what Jesus was reading for ourselves.
Isaiah 61: 1 - 3
1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Boom to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this; ain't no light in them....
Ezekiel 2: 8 - 9
8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
Wow Ezekiel got a roll and a book was it. That means he had to read it. Who gave Ezekiel this book? Jesus was not in the flesh yet he was still GOD. So imma restate my point. The old testament was already written before Jesus came in the flesh. The new testament was written after he died on the cross.
Revelation 1: 10 - 11
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Wow Jesus gave John a vision and then told him, "write it in a book". John WAS NOT a roman. He was a Hebrew Israelite. Romans did not write bible. The entire book of revelation is in the future and apostle John wrote what the LORD showed him. If you are insinuating Jesus is a liar then hey nothing else I can say. I am a person who believed what the apostles wrote.
John 17: 20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
I believe what Jesus said from the word of the Hebrews that wrote of him. Jesus knew a few people would believe on him and everyone else think the apostles are lying. Heck the so call Jews didn't even believe Jesus and they didn't believe the apostles either.
The apostles witness what Jesus did and wrote it down. Even Peter himself said they were eyewitness of Jesus. HOWEVER the old testament was already written. Peter even said if you get confused by what they wrote go back to the prophets (the old testament) because it is more clear than what they wrote (that's why you need both books). That's how they found Jesus in the 1st place, by reading the scriptures.
2 Peter 1: 16, 19
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Then I told you that they were not Jesus apostles because Jesus apostles didn't adopt some...THEY DID EVERYTHING Jesus said. I understand your point but I hope you see what I am saying. People who believe Christ do everything he says not some.
Yes so if they adopted evil then they are not Christians' they are knock offs. Now let me address some things.
If you are saying Jesus is a liar then there is nothing else to talk about. Jesus said Moses wrote about him. He didn't say Moses talked about him. Also the issue here is that she said "Jews". THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS ARE ISRAELITES. Jew is only one tribe. God separated Jew from other tribes of Israel because of what King Solomon did. That's how a religion got started and it was not started by Jesus, that's why the Jews rejected him when he came because Jesus flat out told them, that they were evil and that's why I don't deal with religion. Whatever Jesus has written down is doctrine....ALL OF IT. Religion pick and choose what they like and ignore everything else, that's not gonna fly with me. Pay attention when you read the bible and ask God for wisdom.
Also, Paul WAS NOT a jew. Paul was a Benjamite. They were called jews because God scattered Israel and people were ignorant of it just like they are today because people don't read GOD's words. As wise Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.
Romans 1 :1
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
I just proved that a Benjamite wrote several books in the new testament that woman don't know what she is talking about.
Luke 4: 16
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Wait a minute Jesus stood up to.....READ?? He didn't quote Isaiah he was actually reading a book?? I believe what I read which is why I am disagreeing with you here and that woman who wrote the blog.
Luke 4: 17
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
8 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
WAIT A MINUTE...IT SAYS THAT JESUS CLOSED THE BOOK. So what was Jesus reading if the romans wrote the bible? Jesus even had to look for what he wanted because there was no chapters or verses. Man was the one who divided the bible into chapters and verses. Lets see what Jesus was reading for ourselves.
Isaiah 61: 1 - 3
1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Boom to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this; ain't no light in them....
Ezekiel 2: 8 - 9
8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
Wow Ezekiel got a roll and a book was it. That means he had to read it. Who gave Ezekiel this book? Jesus was not in the flesh yet he was still GOD. So imma restate my point. The old testament was already written before Jesus came in the flesh. The new testament was written after he died on the cross.
Revelation 1: 10 - 11
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Wow Jesus gave John a vision and then told him, "write it in a book". John WAS NOT a roman. He was a Hebrew Israelite. Romans did not write bible. The entire book of revelation is in the future and apostle John wrote what the LORD showed him. If you are insinuating Jesus is a liar then hey nothing else I can say. I am a person who believed what the apostles wrote.
John 17: 20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
I believe what Jesus said from the word of the Hebrews that wrote of him. Jesus knew a few people would believe on him and everyone else think the apostles are lying. Heck the so call Jews didn't even believe Jesus and they didn't believe the apostles either.