Society is sexist towards men

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[AL sama]

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lmao tagging me and roger of all people

 

[Logiko]

Society is NOT sexist toward men. Society (and by that I call out the toxic masculinity created by patriarchy) is systematically HARMFULL to men. The difference is important.

Now, let's dip into the why, the problems, and let's look at the solutions:

You have higher standards of expectation as a male due to your social positioning

Yes, and that a social creation created by the harmfull myth that men should be at the top of the foodchain, that women are actually not worthy of men.

Solution: By establishing more equality between genders, with will establish that men and women are equal and therefore creating a more equal space and establishing that men don't always have to be on top(figure of speech). Secondly, by elimanating systemical toxic masculinity, we will erase the myth that men should always have to be strong and therefore diminishing the social burden put on men since birth.

I mean how many times have you heard, People to tell women to get a job and support yourself or man up?

Actually this is the wrong (and sexist) way to look at the problem. Women have other issue and social burden that you are completely overlooking: The mental charge is the most prevalent one.

Solution: By creating a more equal space between men and women and by pushing feminist education on men, you will be able to diminish the social weight on both side of the gender spectrum. In other word, by attacking toxic masculinity in society and patriarchy you will erease the myth surrounding both gender and weighting them down and therefore making the world a happier place.

The problem is not that women don't have a burden (they have actually a worse one) the problem is that the men don't understand that their burden is created by the same things that harms women : PATRIARCHY

Attack patriarchy (and capitalism) and you will free the world.

the ''pro equality'' femminists who seem to ignore any issue of equality when it's regarding something that does not benefit women almost like an advocacy group just cant be equalitarian by it's very nature due to promoting the best interests of one party over others

Actually the profeminist and the (falsely accused) """"SJW""""" like you guys seems to love to call them, are aware of those problems and are actually directing their attack at the real issue.

That's why you often see them developping video like this one:

You are missing the big picture here. Look at the real problem. The feminist are not your ennemies.

Even with violence, You are automatically assumed as a badguy regardless of even if the female hit you first

Systematically their is a history of violence toward women, so that problem is LOGICALLY prioritized. But the problem of the assault on men is not forgotten by feminist.

Solution: By educating men on feminist issue, you will end toxic masculinity, and with the end of toxic masculinity the toxic myth that men must stay silent in front of a women hitting or violating them will be ending too. Secondaly, by creating a safe spaces for male victims (and I intend by that, a space where men are NOT expected to be strong alpha male) you will help the cause of male victim in your surroundings. Third, help spread the education in media by making them stop the visual glorification of the victimatization of males in cinema/Series/Comics etc.

In other words, watch, and share this types of videos:

"Sexual Assault of Men Played for Laughs - Part 2 Female Perpetrators:"

I dont even get the point of these long ass trials deliberating and chatting as if the jury and judge already dont have set perceptions and maybe even poltitical leanings which would make their decision about as valid as some sjw on twitter judging me, Funny thing too these biases never lead male as the femminist patrichy idea would suggest instead it's always female basis with women always winning child court custody and having lesser sentences for the literal exact same crime

This is systematically and factually false.

Solution: Educate yourself on the demography and the numbers of abuse victims.

Like if im to brutally rip people apart kratos style, like just go on a sheer and utter rampage right. I would get life in jail and a women would only get thirty years as a example
it's beyond fucking rididious that in this highly female centric culture, We have this idea that women are opressed

Problem: FILTER BUBBLE

You are stating informations without evidences and with a clear lack of factual education.

Solution: Get the F*ck out of your filter bubble, look at other medias, follow some feminist for a change & try to follow more women. You will therefore extend your educational reach on the problem of abuse victim and the context surrounding the detention of perpetrator of sexual assault.

It's actively fine to shit on men, Even say kill them all or their all evil/toxic

Men are not "evil", men are born is a sexist society toward women and harmfull toward men.

Solution : Listen to what I'm saying in that comment and you will understand that feminist are not your ennemies.

We have this idea that women are opressed

It's a fact

Solution: listen to actual expert on the subject.

But even people on more conservative sides would lose their minds at me saying all women are evil and kill them all
If men arent the opressed ones then why is insults regarding men aokay but not women, it's almost like femminists are just full of shit

it's almost like femminists are just full of shit

No, it's just that you don't understand the problem. I've explain that plainly in my post on the previous thread.

Solution: Go read my replies on the previous threads.

I wanna note another retarded thing too, What's this idea women cant hurt guys like is my skin fucking metal, Would a knife or sharp nails not cause me to bled nah obviously not women cant hurt men, Like people are so interested in this women innocent and oprressed and men corrupted and opressors that they will literally say something not even they belilive just to defend their ludicious bs

No one is saying that women can't hurt guys except sexist bigot pumpkins. The fact that women can hurt guys is - like i've shown you before - a very REAL problem known by feminist.

Solution: Get the F*ck out of your filter bubble, look at other medias, follow some feminist for a change & try to follow more women. You will therefore extend your educational reach on the problem of abuse victims

"Sexual Assault of Men Played for Laughs - Part 2 Female Perpetrators:"

Women are so strong and empowered yet they are so weak

First is false. Second, You are just being sexist here

Solution: Educate yourself on feminist issue (for example watch the videos I'm linking to you), you will therefore feel less anger toward women and therefore be a little bit less toxic when you speak.

and even then men's problems are bigger then women's like where females bitch about men spreading their legs or explaining shit cause their dumb as nails

Same thing

And there's just a huge homeless problem in america with it all being male really, And that's sexist cause in the same circumstance women would get help out of pity where a man wouldt even if the women is not homeless and the man was

In the same circomstance, women are killed and raped. Look at the numbers again. you are spreading false informations.

Solution: Educate yourself on feminist issue bla blabla.. you know the drill.

Incels,homeless people and whatever other group, All the outcasts or people excluded from society are men

Incels are groups of harrasser, they are not systematically attacked by capitalism like homeless people are. you are trying to compare completely unrelated problems and groups of people.

Solution: Get the F*ck out of your filter bubble. FOR REAL.

Not women as would of been the case had it been a patrichy made to make women miserable

Women ARE miserable, you are living under a golden coffin full of lies.

Solution: Open your eyes. And you will see that the real problem is not women or a baseless sexism against men, it's patriarchy and capitalism.

If, Im to struggle with dating or whatever. You get mocked for being virgin or whatever

Only if you live with sexist and full of toxic masculinity people (men or women)

Solution: Find NEW FRIENDS. (Little tips, try some feministic one for a change, you won't believe it)

ofc since it's male utopia, the patrichy where only men benefit ofc women are given the pass and told you go girl, you dont need a man except to pay your bills and make that fancy cellphone you can afford cause your bf bought it for you but yea aside from those minor things no contradictions whatsoever

Again, your problem is the patriarchy, not women or sexism toward men.

As you can see, their is always a feminist solution to a patriarcal issue. Even when it concerns men.

Educate yourself. For gosh sakes.

 

[Mathias]

Patriarchy as in the concept that encompasses the whole history ? You can apply it on Nazi-Germany as you can apply it on post-1968 Western-European society. What a great concept.

These sources are nice for the average mind that doesn't care about epistemology. I mean, I could deconstruct the youtube videos, but I'm too lazy to watch these hours longs edits about how men do not understand what is it to be a man. I rather educate myself by reading history books with different takes. And not just the ones written with a progressist view.

 

[Logiko]

Patriarchy as in the concept that encompasses the whole history ? You can apply it on Nazi-Germany as you can apply it on post-1968 Western-European society. What a great concept.

These sources are nice for the average mind that doesn't care about epistemology. I mean, I could deconstruct the youtube videos, but I'm too lazy to watch these hours longs edits about how men do not understand what is it to be a man. I rather educate myself by reading history books with different takes. And not just the ones written with a progressist view.

Now that you talk about epistemology, i'm sure you are well aware of the sexist bias in science, right ?

Patriarchy is not meant to explain everything so please stop strawmanning here. Patriarchy is a system that explain the sexism in society, the problem of toxic masculinity and the inequality of treatment between mean and women.

Well.. hm now that your are talking about it. It sure can explain the development of ideology like fascism

Yeah, even things like the rise of hitler in power can be explained through the prism of toxic masculinity and glorification perfect men.

But eh.. I'm sure you have other things to do. Right ?

about how men do not understand what is it to be a man

Actually implying here that no one has the legitimacy to explain to a men what it is to be a men or how to be a good men. What a fallacious way to formulate the point.

I mean, I could deconstruct the youtube videos

Be my guest. But please watch what you criticize before you make an actual statement about them.

 

[MangoSenpai]

Society is NOT sexist toward men. Society (and by that I call out the toxic masculinity created by patriarchy) is systematically HARMFULL to men. The difference is important.

Now, let's dip into the why, the problems, and let's look at the solutions:


Yes, and that a social creation created by the harmfull myth that men should be at the top of the foodchain, that women are actually not worthy of men.

Solution: By establishing more equality between genders, with will establish that men and women are equal and therefore creating a more equal space and establishing that men don't always have to be on top(figure of speech). Secondly, by elimanating systemical toxic masculinity, we will erase the myth that men should always have to be strong and therefore diminishing the social burden put on men since birth.


Actually this is the wrong (and sexist) way to look at the problem. Women have other issue and social burden that you are completely overlooking: The mental charge is the most prevalent one.

Solution: By creating a more equal space between men and women and by pushing feminist education on men, you will be able to diminish the social weight on both side of the gender spectrum. In other word, by attacking toxic masculinity in society and patriarchy you will erease the myth surrounding both gender and weighting them down and therefore making the world a happier place.

The problem is not that women don't have a burden (they have actually a worse one) the problem is that the men don't understand that their burden is created by the same things that harms women : PATRIARCHY

Attack patriarchy (and capitalism) and you will free the world.



Actually the profeminist and the (falsely accused) """"SJW""""" like you guys seems to love to call them, are aware of those problems and are actually directing their attack at the real issue.

That's why you often see them developping video like this one:

You are missing the big picture here. Look at the real problem. The feminist are not your ennemies.



Systematically their is a history of violence toward women, so that problem is LOGICALLY prioritized. But the problem of the assault on men is not forgotten by feminist.

Solution: By educating men on feminist issue, you will end toxic masculinity, and with the end of toxic masculinity the toxic myth that men must stay silent in front of a women hitting or violating them will be ending too. Secondaly, by creating a safe spaces for male victims (and I intend by that, a space where men are NOT expected to be strong alpha male) you will help the cause of male victim in your surroundings. Third, help spread the education in media by making them stop the visual glorification of the victimatization of males in cinema/Series/Comics etc.

In other words, watch, and share this types of videos:

"Sexual Assault of Men Played for Laughs - Part 2 Female Perpetrators:"

This is systematically and factually false.

Solution: Educate yourself on the demography and the numbers of abuse victims.


Problem: FILTER BUBBLE

You are stating informations without evidences and with a clear lack of factual education.

Solution: Get the F*ck out of your filter bubble, look at other medias, follow some feminist for a change & try to follow more women. You will therefore extend your educational reach on the problem of abuse victim and the context surrounding the detention of perpetrator of sexual assault.




Men are not "evil", men are born is a sexist society toward women and harmfull toward men.

Solution : Listen to what I'm saying in that comment and you will understand that feminist are not your ennemies.




It's a fact

Solution: listen to actual expert on the subject.




No, it's just that you don't understand the problem. I've explain that plainly in my post on the previous thread.

Solution: Go read my replies on the previous threads.



No one is saying that women can't hurt guys except sexist bigot pumpkins. The fact that women can hurt guys is - like i've shown you before - a very REAL problem known by feminist.

Solution: Get the F*ck out of your filter bubble, look at other medias, follow some feminist for a change & try to follow more women. You will therefore extend your educational reach on the problem of abuse victims

"Sexual Assault of Men Played for Laughs - Part 2 Female Perpetrators:"

First is false. Second, You are just being sexist here

Solution: Educate yourself on feminist issue (for example watch the videos I'm linking to you), you will therefore feel less anger toward women and therefore be a little bit less toxic when you speak.


Same thing




In the same circomstance, women are killed and raped. Look at the numbers again. you are spreading false informations.

Solution: Educate yourself on feminist issue bla blabla.. you know the drill.




Incels are groups of harrasser, they are not systematically attacked by capitalism like homeless people are. you are trying to compare completely unrelated problems and groups of people.

Solution: Get the F*ck out of your filter bubble. FOR REAL.



Women ARE miserable, you are living under a golden coffin full of lies.

Solution: Open your eyes. And you will see that the real problem is not women or a baseless sexism against men, it's patriarchy and capitalism.



Only if you live with sexist and full of toxic masculinity people (men or women)

Solution: Find NEW FRIENDS. (Little tips, try some feministic one for a change, you won't believe it)



Again, your problem is the patriarchy, not women or sexism toward men.

As you can see, their is always a feminist solution to a patriarcal issue. Even when it concerns men.

Educate yourself. For gosh sakes.

I ain't reading all that, you lost me after the first two sentences.

 

[Reborn]

I'd say you'd have more insights on the matter than most others.

He's the kind of guy who loves watching people burn in flames after starting the fire.

Reborn is shying away after mass tagging people to give their opinion

I am still a learner and I am here to learn by reading different view points by likes of you two and others and then have my own opinion.

 

[Logiko]

I ain't reading all that, you lost me after the first two sentences.

Quoting the orange pumpkin is actually quite on topic. Nice one.

 

[Mathias]

Now that you talk about epistemology, i'm sure you are well aware of the sexist bias in science, right ?

Tell me more, I'll try to follow.

Patriarchy is not meant to explain everything so please stop strawmanning here. Patriarchy is a system that explain the sexism in society, the problem of toxic masculinity and the inequality of treatment between mean and women.

Well, I could also accuse you of strawmanning too. lol
No one has said it explains everything. Just that a concept applied on whole human history doesn't have much relevance imo. It looks like an overused concept.

Well.. hm now that your are talking about it. It sure can explain the development of ideology like fascism

Yeah, even things like the rise of hitler in power can be explained through the prism of toxic masculinity and glorification perfect men.

It sure can, and it also somehow can explain stuff about everything else right ?

But eh.. I'm sure you have other things to do. Right ?

What are you even talking about here ?

Actually implying here that no one has the legitimacy to explain to a men what it is to be a men or how to be a good men. What a fallacious way to formulate the point.

A man can behave like Sean Connery or the Wachoswki sisters. Doesn't matter to me.

 

[Logiko]

Tell me more, I'll try to follow.

It begins here..
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/MMBR.00018-19

It ends on thing like this..
https://www.statnews.com/2019/12/10/patriarchy-fading-science-then-i-saw-it-in-the-data/

Science is far from perfect concerning systematic sexism

Tho Im not a scientist, I'm sure you will find a lot of ressource with their help.

Well, I could also accuse you of strawmanning too. lol
No one has said it explains everything. Just that a concept applied on whole human history doesn't have much relevance imo. It looks like an overused concept.

Fair but those types of concept are meant to explain a lot. It only look overused because of the late development of social networks. It's properly used for the most part and in fact not enough understood. Like i've shown in reply to that post.

Basically, patriarchy is not "men VS women" it's "Society making Women and Men fight against eachothers and men fighting against themself". So of course it's a little bit more complicated in reality but it's important to understand the difference ERGO why I wrote

Society is NOT sexist toward men. Society (and by that I call out the toxic masculinity created by patriarchy) is systematically HARMFULL to men. The difference is important.

It sure can, and it also somehow can explain stuff about everything else right ?

Well.. once you understand how patriarchy works, it appears as a spiderweb in the entire continuum of our society so yeah.. it does explain a lot.

What are you even talking about here ?

Mentionning the fact that you are fast to criticize what you are not willing to watch.

A man can behave like Sean Connery or the Wachoswki sisters. Doesn't matter to me.

Suit yourself

 

[AL sama]

society is sexist to both men and women depending on time and circumstances

its as simple as that

 

[Logiko]

society is sexist to both men and women depending on time and circumstances

its as simple as that

No. It's sexist toward women and harmfull toward men, the use of the words is important.

 

[AL sama]

No. It's sexist toward women and harmfull toward men, the use of the words is important.

I never take you seriously so yeah sure whatever

 

[Pantheos]

I mean, Cancer treatments for prostate cancer are barely even close to as funded as breast cancer

This sentence alone shows me how uninformed you go in this discussion and just want to rant, insted of facing the world.
Breast cancer also hit man, not only woman, Postate Cancer on the other side...

 

[Logiko]

I never take you seriously so yeah sure whatever

That's your mistake.

 

[AL sama]

That's your mistake.

buddy I gave you enough english lessons in the nakama thread

 

[Pantheos]

buddy I gave you enough english lessons in the nakama thread

Englishlessons or not, but he is right with nearly everything he posted, in my opinion.

 

[AL sama]

Englishlessons or not, but he is right with nearly everything he posted, in my opinion.

nope he isn't but nor is bob

 

[SakazOuki]

This sentence alone shows me how uninformed you go in this discussion and just want to rant, insted of facing the world.
Breast cancer also hit man, not only woman, Postate Cancer on the other side...

Just to provide a statistic I‘m familiar with in my line of work, less than 1% of breast cancer patients are men.

 

[Logiko]

buddy I gave you enough english lessons in the nakama thread

Haha.. Good joke.