Society is sexist towards men

[Logiko]

When I said epistemology I didn't mean : which gender is more published. I was more into : critical toward methodology.

Oh my bad. yes. As I understood it, there can problems in the perpetuation of sexist bias in fields like data science and the creation of AI. Found this article talking about that:

https://mg.co.za/article/2019-03-14-fix-ais-racist-sexist-bias/

I think there are other issues but I honestly can't recall them.

There might be other reasons as to why women aren't as published as men. Reasons that don't follow the almighty theory of patriarchy.

It's the same reason women in science are often missrepresentated: Sexist bias. The famous case of Einstein and his wife are a good representation of that problem.

Because it's a youtube-channel about feminism in movies made by a random guy

Fair, but that guy quote sources who have actual authorities figure on the domain. If you don't follow him, you can always go read one of those books.

how I hate youtube video essays

Fair point but that's another issue here.

It makes people lazy to read actual books. I mean, this is how people educate themselves nowadays I guess.

I'm trying to make a vulgarization. Of course we could dive deeper, but that would be for those who are already interested in the subject.

Here I'm mainly trying to convince people with sexist bias to take a first look at themself and content about positive masculinity. We far from a scholar debate lol

 

[Bob74h]

Society is NOT sexist toward men

Yes, and that a social creation created by the harmfull myth that men should be at the top of the foodchain, that women are actually not worthy of men.

So men are both affected by a harmful societal myth which society propagates and men are also at the same time not in anyway affected by sexism in society
Your so self contradictive here as not adressing the points instead defending the tradcon and far left dyamic of gender men oppressor and women opressed worthless weakling, The reason why men are held to these higher standards are out of need to provide for their wifes who are seen as too weak to help themselves hence why they were ousted out of working for the longest time

 

[Logiko]

So men are both affected by a harmful societal myth which society propagates and men are also at the same time not in anyway affected by sexism in society

Your so self contradictive

No.

Sexism is a specific concept that concern a certain type of behavior. Systematically, sexism doesn't apply against men.

Instead what you must look at is toxic behaviors such as toxic masculinity.

Toxic masculinity as many other toxic behaviors are both hurtfull to women AND men.

The reason why men are held to these higher standards are out of need to provide for their wifes who are seen as too weak to help themselves hence why they were ousted out of working for the longest time

And this is another sexist myth propagated by systemic sexism/patriarchy

 

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Bitchesss...

 

[Bob74h]

Actually this is the wrong (and sexist) way to look at the problem. Women have other issue and social burden that you are completely overlooking: The mental charge is the most prevalent one.

I merely pointed out
the double standards which would make manning up as a idea sexist, It's a thing told to men and men alone never a girl
And most of these problems which you speak about can be summed up as a minor inconvenience like manspreading and manspaning arent really serious issues

The problem being is when your advocacy group, you need something to advocate for and now that women can abort as much as they like and divorce as much as they like, And get paid out by doing so. you guys now have no tangible goal so you latch onto the more minor things

Ignoring the more major issues with men cause it's not a conveninent reality to someone who sees the world as opressor vs opressed without any nuance or critital judgememt, Im a opressor despite being not weathy but rich white women are opressed despite having insane social influence and poltitical power, I never even dream to obtain but because your dichotomy lacks nuance and understanding

The most preiviliged group, Rich white women are somehow the vitvhims cause your ideology blinds you from the facts

 

[Adam 🍎]

Every toxic trait you can attribute to a man you attribute to a woman too

So what is the issue?

 

[Bob74h]

Sexism is a specific concept that concern a certain type of behavior. Systematically, sexism doesn't apply against men.

Except when judges deal biased court hearing in nearly every case

Men are rarely ever afforded the same parental rights in child court preceding
Male violence is seen as a joke as goes rape, How is those things not inherently systematic

And can you name 1 example of systematic sexism like literally 1

 

[Logiko]

the double standards which would make manning up as a idea sexist

It's not sexist, it's TOXIC. The use of words are important. The men are not in an oppression over their identity because their are male, they are pressured which is completely different. Sexism=/=Toxicity (even if sometimes, their are one of the same, I'm looking at you Nakama thread)

It's a thing told to men and men alone never a girl

And you forget what is told to girls.

But what you forget the most is that, what is told to men is meant to empower them in society while what is taut to girl is meant to diminish their statues.

So you are - again - looking at the problem in a sexist way. Instead of blaming the system and trying to educate your and others sexist bias + toxic masculinity, you are blaming a VIRTUAL ascendant of women over men, thus perpetuating a sexist myth.

Educate yourself on feminism.

The problem being is when your advocacy group, you need something to advocate for and now that women can abort as much as they like and divorce as much as they like, And get paid out by doing so. you guys now have no tangible goal so you latch onto the more minor things

Same

Ignoring the more major issues with men cause it's not a conveninent

Nobody is ignoring anything. You keep talking still you are overlooking every issue I'm poin ting out with men TO men or Women TO men toxicity. Your are still in your bubble

The most preiviliged group, Rich white women are somehow the vitvhims cause your ideology blinds you from the facts

That's pure nonsence. White rich women are not the most piviledge group.. not even close.

Sigh..
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Every toxic trait you can attribute to a man you attribute to a woman too

So what is the issue?

You are missinterpretating toxic behavior and toxic behavior regarding masculinity and overrepresented in men.

And women are also perpetuator of toxic masculinity.. yeah. big surprise.

 

[Bob74h]

First is false. Second, You are just being sexist here

not really cause the context of my post was making fun of the people who say women cant hurt men
The same people argue women are strong and empowered, And if strong and empowered then why cant they hurt men, it's self contradictory

I even said, they cant keep the story straight so clearly im not having this as my literal verbatim position

There are women who can harm men and men who can harm women, were not invincible
this standard is had generally cause men have physical advantages to women, Like it's wrong to hit girls cause guys are stronger

I dont think this advantage seems to apply much on average as most guys and girls arent trained to the peak of what their bodies can handle where those differences start to become more major not only that but dismissing violence just cause it cannot hurt you is stupid cause we then allow a social sphere where were fine with people legit bullying and picking on others with it being aokay cause no damage had

 

[Logiko]

Except when judges deal biased court hearing in nearly every case

Can you give me a source with numbers ?

Men are rarely ever afforded the same parental rights in child court preceding

On what evidences are you basing this affirmation ?

Male violence is seen as a joke as goes rape, How is those things not inherently systematic

That is indeed true. And that is systematic. But again, not sexism. Those are related to toxic masculinity behaviors and myth perpetuated by society/media/Women/men and children.

And can you name 1 example of systematic sexism like literally 1

Violence against women.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I wish real life women would act more like anime girls.

Absolute King

 

[Logiko]

not really cause the context of my post was making fun of the people who say women cant hurt men
The same people argue women are strong and empowered, And if strong and empowered then why cant they hurt men, it's self contradictory

Do you see the nonsence here ? OF COURSE they can hurt men. Nobody is saying they can't.

Your problem is that you make of an exception a generality and use that to rule that men are underpriviledged. Which is a myth propagated by incel pumpkins and bigots.

 

[Bob74h]

he men are not in an oppression over their identity because their are male

The very of manning up as a way to silence their feelings or plight is inherently related to their identify as men are expected to be strong opressors where women are expected as weak opressed and useless


it's funny that progressives despite opposing tradcons have the same man superior and better viewpoint that they hold, Horseshoe theory is a fun thing
Both tradcons and radfems are retarded anyway as their view of man strong and women weak is ultimately lacking nuanced and only serves to keep traditional values of the male provider in place

This women weak and opressed, Is ultimately so sexist that you have no place in calling others it
you see females as weak children who cant help themselves so you the male savior, femminist will come save them.

it's beyond patronizing and shows despite your view of me, I at least see a women as a grown adult where you dont at least in practice
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Do you see the nonsence here ? OF COURSE they can hurt men. Nobody is saying they can't.

Radfems and tradcons claim that
Your on the radfem side of things not like it's all that different

both of your groups complain about the rich upper percent and how women are weak, And need the male savior to help them

Both idiotic groups have a male savior complex and a hatred for the upper 1 percent
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Violence against women.

That's not systematic, there's as many cases of female domestic violence as male. let's not kid ourselves
and b, you know men are far more likely to be the vitchim of a violent crime then women are right

And c none of this is systematic, isolated independent cases of male violence are not proof of a larger systematic problem maybe culturally if you wanna go there but never related to the system itself ie courts,law, policing and so on
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On what evidences are you basing this affirmation ?

https://www.justgreatlawyers.com/legal-guides/child-custody-statistics#mother_father_custody
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That's pure nonsence. White rich women are not the most piviledge group.. not even close.

So rich white people are not preiviliged
Cmon, Arent you a radfem

Dont you hate the 1 percent? you making exceptions cause it's a women?

Sexist carrot, come on equality
you should hate those rich white dudes as much as you hate those rich white women

 

[Logiko]

he very of manning up as a way to silence their feelings or plight is inherently related to their identify as men are expected to be strong opressors where women are expected as weak opressed and useless

Yes. that's exactly what I'm explaining. That's a myth propagated by toxic masculinity. But I sence their is a missunderstanding here. I'm not saying your are wrong by saying that it is a myth, I'm saying that your are indeed right and that the superior male IS A MYTH. (just as we are clear)

Both tradcons and radfems are retarded anyway as their view of man strong and women weak is ultimately lacking nuanced and only serves to keep traditional values of the male provider in place

You are litterally giving our own example for us dude. You are as close to become a rad fem that I am to become a #VegapunkForNakama. Meaning that you only have to educate yourself on your sexist bias and you will instantly understand the problem and become exactly what I am.

Why do you think i'm spending so much time on your case bro ?

You understand the problems quite well but, you are just sexist, but once you understand that being sexist is only blocking you to understand the whole scope of the problem, you will become an """SJW""" just like me.

Just stop being a douch

This women weak and opressed, Is ultimately so sexist that you have no place in calling others it

No, this is just a documented fact, weither you like it or not.

Educate yourself.

you see females as weak children who cant help themselves so you the male savior, femminist will come save them.

Women are not weak children, their are just oppressed by patriarcat, and we need to help them as much as we can as man by letting them have their OWN VOICE. Simple. Nothing patronizing.

And need the male savior to help them

Only you think that, not feminist. Educate yourself.

Both idiotic groups have a male savior complex and a hatred for the upper 1 percent

Some have indeed savior problem, and that's why - as man - we must stay ally and not speak for female feminist.

In short, our job is to clear the way. Not fight at their place. Understood ?

That's not systematic

That is systematic dude. Educate yourself.

there's as many cases of female domestic violence as male.

That's not systematic. That's a minority. You are just letting your incel self free again..

https://www.justgreatlawyers.com/legal-guides/child-custody-statistics#mother_father_custody

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-42359-001
Again, a proof that stereotypes against male are strong.

You want to fix that: don't fight women, fight toxic masculinity.

So rich white people are not preiviliged

Where did I say that. you are straight up lying. I'm talking about the social group of white rich women. Who have FAR LESS priviledge than RICH WHITE MEN.

And yes I hate the 1%, just like you should.

 

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[Logiko]

My job here is simple. I'm not talking about women, i'm talking about men.

In other word, i'm talking about your masculinity and the stereotype you are perpetuating by saying that men are underpriviledged.

I propose a safer, happier way to look at yourself and the world.

You have the choice not to follow me. But be careful, because you are not on the right side of history here.
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Hm.. I think I will create a thread to talk about feminism and masculinity.

I had enough of sexist threads like this one.

 

[Adam 🍎]

You are missinterpretating toxic behavior and toxic behavior regarding masculinity and overrepresented in men.

And women are also perpetuator of toxic masculinity.. yeah. big surprise.

Name me.one toxic masculinity trait that cant be said about women too

 

[Bob74h]

In other word, i'm talking about your masculinity and the stereotype you are perpetuating by saying that men are underpriviledged.

they are
I cited many examples which you couldt disprove

You have the choice not to follow me. But be careful, because you are not on the right side of history here.

how ironic that the opressed women are so sure of their victory over tradcons that they have the audacity to claim they are on the right side of history

I do not wish to follow femminists as it's not within my best interests to follow a group which hates me, Much like how it's not in the best interest of gays to aside with conservatives or best interest of black men to align with the kkk.
Conservatives hate homosexalty cause of degenracy, kkk hates black people cause they are sub human to them and feminists hate men cause of their perceived toxicity

I had enough of sexist threads like this one.

I am very certain, Im not sexist
I have opposed the weak and helpless women view

If im sexist why oppose the idea of women being worthless and weak, Sounds kinda like you dont agree with me on certain things so your accusing me of stuff which we both know aint true, You even stated im to understand gender issues come on dont lie about me like this, I thought the left was supposed to be tolerant


You assert that women have it worse then men and that they are opressed, You have not touted one valid reason
I have given multiple, Some of which you even acknowledged like the men cant have emotions and the strong man myth as you put it. We agree on some of the same problems here difference being were on two different ideological sides

I see the opressed narrative as a almost victim complex to expect pity and support for their status as a opressed class
I disagree with that idea of things, I think women should work and make money as men should instead expecting pity money

and you agree and want what amounts to reperations



I know this might not matter to you but there's alot of even personal reasons for people to hold viewpoints they do, I mean you surely think incels are bitter cause of how they were rejected or whatever right
I mean the same goes with anything, Alot of these man hating femminists have had abusive bfs or fathers, Ofc nobody would agree that the treatment was right however reacting by blaming all men is just not justfied. nobody would say it's okay for a white man to hate all black men cause he got beat up by a couple once as a example

That's the kinda the difference, I dont go around saying im to hate all women because of my bad relationship with my mother and grandmother and that's kinda the point here wide sweep judgements on a group based on isolated experiences is never good and that's kinda what your doing here by asserting some of the stuff you are here like projecting me as a incel cause of your association of people who hold my viewpoints and same goes with women like just cause you might know of bad men who beat on women that would not make it a wider systematic issue

 

[Logiko]

Name me.one toxic masculinity trait that cant be said about women too

It's not about a trait not fitting women, it's about the fact that those traits are observes mostly in men. Toxic masculinity is a social description.

they are
I cited many examples which you couldt disprove

There are not. What you are proving on the otherhand in that men are pressured. But you keep pushing away the real problem and the cause.

how ironic that the opressed women are so sure of their victory over tradcons that they have the audacity to claim they are on the right side of history

You have to be bold to win.

it's not within my best interests to follow a group which hates me

Nobody hates you, not even me. We just have enough of your bullshit.

feminists hate men cause of their perceived toxicity

Again, feminist don't hate men. You have a VERY POOR understanding of feminism.

I am very certain, Im not sexist

You are. Sorry. You are depicting all the trait. Your actions speaks for you. We are not the one making thread to say that women are more priviledge than men. You are.

If im sexist why oppose the idea of women being worthless and weak

"If I'm racist, why do I have a black friend"..

Dude...

You even stated im to understand gender issues come on dont lie about me like this

You don't understand gender issue, you understand that society is pressuring men. Which is the first step to the understanding that there is a systematization of behavior due to a harmfull vision of masculinity.

I thought the left was supposed to be tolerant

We don't have to be tolerant with sexist and or fascist. You are lucky that I take the time with you.

I disagree with that idea of things,

You can disagree all you want, the numbers are factuals.

I think women should work and make money as men should instead expecting pity money

While whining about the VIRTUAL oppression of male due to myth about their masculinity, you keep on repeating BULLSHIT lies and myth about women behaviors.

You still are a sexist.

I know this might not matter to you but there's alot of even personal reasons for people to hold viewpoints they do

Being a d*ck can always be because of personal reason, you are still being a d*ck.

I mean you surely think incels are bitter cause of how they were rejected or whatever right

No. I know they have personnal reason. But like I said, it does not excuse them.

Alot of these man hating femminists have had abusive bfs or father

You take that from where ? Your sexist santa hat ?

however reacting by blaming all men is just not justfied

In a society that oppress woman, the reaction of anger "men are trash" is JUSTIFIED. Not rational, but justified.

nobody would say it's okay for a white man to hate all black

Their is no systemic oppression of white men. You are out of context.

That's the kinda the difference, I dont go around saying im to hate all women because of my bad relationship with my mother and grandmother

Like I said, violence against men is not systemic. So the anger would not be justified it would only be sexist.

 

[Mr.9000]

You are a work ant only because women are work queens.

not me Im a work King