Society is sexist towards men

[Natalija]

Also, you say you’re burdened in life by your responsibilities of being a man. That’s also an example of a patriarchate society, a place where women and men do not have the same roles. BECAUSE women can’t have the same role. @Gol D. Roger

Now this won’t change your mind cause you feel like a victim, but give it some thought.

 

[NAMELESS]

Also, you say you’re burdened in life by your responsibilities of being a man. That’s also an example of a patriarchate society, a place where women and men do not have the same roles. BECAUSE women can’t have the same role. @Gol D. Roger

Now this won’t change your mind cause you feel like a victim, but give it some thought.

how many women are working on construction,wood cutting and hard physical labor in general?Why is that?

 

[Natalija]

how many women are working on construction,wood cutting and hard physical labor in general?Why is that?

That’s returning to different bodies. Men can’t give birth either.

Not all men can do physical labor. BUT if a woman wants and can do a certain job, she should be able to instead of having to sit at home with kids. And she should get equal pay as a man.

Don’t mix up having different physique with what the issues really are.

 

[NAMELESS]

That’s returning to different bodies. Men can’t give birth either.

Not all men can do physical labor. BUT if a woman wants and can do a certain job, she should be able to instead of having to sit at home with kids. And she should get equal pay as a man.

Don’t mix up having different physique with what the issues really are.

Where do you get the different pay from?this is non-existant nowadays where i live.
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That’s returning to different bodies. Men can’t give birth either.

Not all men can do physical labor. BUT if a woman wants and can do a certain job, she should be able to instead of having to sit at home with kids. And she should get equal pay as a man.

Don’t mix up having different physique with what the issues really are.

Also,check out HEXACO.Women are higher in agreeableness,so they tend to accept this kind of stuff more often.Psychology explains a lot of stuff.

 

[ranady]

Many women feel absolute disgust seeing men's hairy legs too lol

Damn I'm disgusting

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I can’t tell you much cause you’re not going to like what I have to say about it.

Aight.

About your examples; no one says a man can’t be fucked over by xyz reasons. However you’re talking about a very small number of cases. 95 times out of 100 times the woman is the victim, especially very much so in India.

It's obvious most victims of rape are women anywhere in this world but the fact that a male victim cannot easily get justice in India when he's the victim remains the same. It proves the laws are inherently biased against men, which, in turn, is what I was saying. We cannot by any means justify this by saying most victims aren't men. That's like denying justice for women against violent crimes because most victims of violent crimes are actually men. If you read my posts carefully, I never deny the atrocities against women in India. I only talk about how the law is biased against us. Law's like the last line of defense for any given victim, if even the law cannot save us, nothing can.

The odd opposite case shouldn’t be ignored, but you need to understand that an odd case here and there =/= sexism towards men.

These aren't odd cases, Ane. These are a very, very, very little number of atrocities against men that receive media attention. Most male victims cannot afford to go to court. Most people don't even know the law. So most of these cases are settled outside the court. Loads of men commit suicides due to false cases. Women get away with even pedophilia with little to no consequences—Mother Of Two Elopes With 15-Year-Old Boy: X This incident happened like 1 hour away from where I live. No one's talking about how the woman should be punished. The public doesn't even know what happened to her. She's free now if you're curious.

 

[Uncle Van]

how many women are working on construction,wood cutting and hard physical labor in general?Why is that?

A factor with this is that you can get more physical work out of men overall so companies tend to greatly prioritize men over women in those fields.

 

[NAMELESS]

Damn I'm disgusting

Cockroaches legs are not cool.
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A factor with this is that you can get more physical work out of men overall so companies tend to greatly prioritize men over women in those fields.

Also:Women are generally not interested in this kind of work.

 

[Emmazrine]

Aight.



It's obvious most victims of rape are women anywhere in this world but the fact that a male victim cannot easily get justice in India when he's the victim remains the same. It proves the laws are inherently biased against men, which, in turn, is what I was saying. We cannot by any means justify this by saying most victims aren't men. That's like denying justice for women against violent crimes because most victims of violent crimes are actually men. If you read my posts carefully, I never deny the atrocities against women in India. I only talk about how the law is biased against us. Law's like the last line of defense for any given victim, if even the law cannot save us, nothing can.


These aren't odd cases, Ane. These are a very, very, very little number of atrocities against men that receive media attention. Most male victims cannot afford to go to court. Most people don't even know the law. So most of these cases are settled outside the court. Loads of men commit suicides due to false cases. Women get away with even pedophilia with little to no consequences—Mother Of Two Elopes With 15-Year-Old Boy: X This incident happened like 1 hour away from where I live. No one's talking about how the woman should be punished. The public doesn't even know what happened to her. She's free now if you're curious.

interesting. can you link me some books or articles about these biased laws so I can get a bigger picture

 

[NAMELESS]

interesting. can you link me some books or articles about these biased laws so I can get a bigger picture

i think he is talking about his home country.Laws are different everywhere,but there is a bias towards woman is most places.

 

[Reborn]

Mod vs mod

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[AL sama]

AL, I don't have a deep insight on this but uniforms in schools were introduced to promote uniformity—the first ever uniforms were used in schools irrc—while work-based dress codes have their own reasons based on profession and the trend is being followed even now. The workforce in the past was predominantly male, which means you're saying men imposed dress codes on men decades before women even started appearing at workplaces so they get to oppress women in the future. I do not have words to describe how irrational that is.

what I said was meant for a single para from your post

hence you got the impression

what I meant to say is that root of all clothing is our physical built which automatically separates us and is a sort of natural sexism

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Also, you say you’re burdened in life by your responsibilities of being a man. That’s also an example of a patriarchate society, a place where women and men do not have the same roles. BECAUSE women can’t have the same role. @Gol D. Roger

Now this won’t change your mind cause you feel like a victim, but give it some thought.

I do have a hard life but I don't necessarily see myself as a victim honestly speaking. I only said what I said earlier because peeps are acting as if only women have it hard in society. My circumstances aren't entirely due to patriarchy IMO. I am not married. I am only taking responsibility for my mom, my brother, and his family—well, they're my family too. I have the obligation to support them regardless of how hard it gets as far as I am concerned. It's not like they don't share responsibilities, I just happened to have the most responsibilities because I act like the head of the family. I said "act like" because my mom's the boss of the home, period.

Depending on how you describe it, I've got nothing against patriarchy in all honesty. If you associate it with dominance and women's oppression, then I don't agree with it. We were raised by a single mother who lost her husband in her 30s. She's not educated—she was forced to quit school to look after her younger siblings when their parents were working.

She never remarried and raised us all by herself, so not supporting women's empowerment and equal treatment is the last thing I'd want to do. It's because we were raised under such circumstances that I understand how important it is for a family to have a father as their head. If it's about having the father as the leader, not the owner, of the family, then I don't think patriarchy is as bad as people make it out to be.
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Mod vs mod

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Nat and I always fight actually, just not in public. We're like siblings from different mothers.
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interesting. can you link me some books or articles about these biased laws so I can get a bigger picture

Refer to this post: X I only referenced the articles about court judgments/things said in courts.

 

[NAMELESS]

I do have a hard life but I don't necessarily see myself as a victim honestly speaking. I only said what I said earlier because peeps are acting as if only women have it hard in society. My circumstances aren't entirely due to patriarchy IMO. I am not married. I am only taking responsibility for my mom, my brother, and his family—well, they're my family too. I have the obligation to support them regardless of how hard it gets as far as I am concerned. It's not like they don't share responsibilities, I just happened to have the most responsibilities because I act like the head of the family. I said "act like" because my mom's the boss of the home, period.

Depending on how you describe it, I've got nothing against patriarchy in all honesty. If you associate it with dominance and women's oppression, then I don't agree with it. We were raised by a single mother who lost her husband in her 30s. She's not educated—she was forced to quit school to look after her younger siblings when their parents were working.

She never remarried and raised us all by herself, so not supporting women's empowerment and equal treatment is the last thing I'd want to do. It's because we were raised under such circumstances that I understand how important it is for a family to have a father as their head. If it's about having the father as the leader, not the owner, of the family, then I don't think patriarchy is as bad as people make it out to be.
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Nat and I always fight actually, just not in public. We're like siblings from different mothers.
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Refer to this post: X I only referenced the articles about court judgments/things said in courts.

This thread is going strong.I agree with you,man are more suited to leadership roles.Women are higher on agreeableness,which makes them accept more stuff quietly.Man are the opposite.Search for HEXACO.

 

[AL sama]

Nat and I always fight actually, just not in public. We're like siblings from different mothers.

avoid dong it in public like I do lol

 

[Reborn]

Me and harashima always fight.

We are like brother (me) and sister (her)

 

[Gol D. Roger]

this thread going strong.I agree with you,man are more suited to leadership roles.Women are higher on agreeableness,which makes them accept more stuff quietly.Man are the opposite.Search for HEXACO.

Some women are less agreeable than some men and vice versa. But yeah, men are generally less agreeable. I don't think that can be a primary reason but it can be one of the reasons. The thing about leading a family is that things get really ugly sometimes—especially if you're living in a third world where law and order aren't strictly enforced.

For instance, when I got bullied as a kid and got into fights, I couldn't tell my mom even when the threats are serious because I didn't want to worry her. When my dad was around, I'd fuck up anyone who tried to fight against me. I wouldn't even back down from quarrels against adults because I know my father would take care of it in one way or another.

avoid dong it in public like I do lol

I mean we're having a fairly normal conversation compared to what we do normally, so it's fine.

 

[AL sama]

I mean we're having a fairly normal conversation compared to what we do normally, so it's fine.

well what we usually do is brutal

 

[Carrota Guco]

how many women are working on construction,wood cutting and hard physical labor in general?Why is that?

I don't know, but I see a lot of short mexican women working construction.

 

[Natalija]

I do have a hard life but I don't necessarily see myself as a victim honestly speaking. I only said what I said earlier because peeps are acting as if only women have it hard in society. My circumstances aren't entirely due to patriarchy IMO. I am not married. I am only taking responsibility for my mom, my brother, and his family—well, they're my family too. I have the obligation to support them regardless of how hard it gets as far as I am concerned. It's not like they don't share responsibilities, I just happened to have the most responsibilities because I act like the head of the family. I said "act like" because my mom's the boss of the home, period.

Depending on how you describe it, I've got nothing against patriarchy in all honesty. If you associate it with dominance and women's oppression, then I don't agree with it. We were raised by a single mother who lost her husband in her 30s. She's not educated—she was forced to quit school to look after her younger siblings when their parents were working.

She never remarried and raised us all by herself, so not supporting women's empowerment and equal treatment is the last thing I'd want to do. It's because we were raised under such circumstances that I understand how important it is for a family to have a father as their head. If it's about having the father as the leader, not the owner, of the family, then I don't think patriarchy is as bad as people make it out to be.

This reads to me as if you're used to how your social construction works though. Patriarchy is bad because it has set roles for both women and men, neither have a say in what they want to do in life.

Both parents are equally important. It's best if they are partners in life with same opportunities and own ambitions, and that beats any kind of patriarchal society out of the water.

Absence of a father (or mother ofc) is harmful in every sense, but it does not prove that he has to be "the head" of the family for it to work nicely. That's really outdated thinking. :'(