Speculations Why Luffy must fight and defeat Akainu : Sabo is NOT a valid option
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Great thread, Luffy fighting Akainu is one of the most built up fights in this manga. It would be a literary tragedy if Oda dodges this fight somehow and gives it to Sabo.
I would also like to add that the Revs lately have been portrayed as having beef with CDs rather than the marines directly. The revs should fight Gorosei, Kong, CP0 and whatever else the WG is hiding.
I would also like to add that the Revs lately have been portrayed as having beef with CDs rather than the marines directly. The revs should fight Gorosei, Kong, CP0 and whatever else the WG is hiding.
Anybody who tries to make a case for Sabo always tend to realize the very next second that the exact arguments you put for sabo literally applies to Luffy much much more
It's like
person 1 (Sabo) - "I heard about bro, he's gone... I wish I could've been there"
person 2 (Luffy) - "I was there when it happened, he took his last breath right in front of me.. I couldn't do anything..."
also Dragon parallel to Akainu as their ultimate leader of the army/Akainu also specifically targeting Luffy because of his blood relation with notorious Monkey D. Dragon
It's like
person 1 (Sabo) - "I heard about bro, he's gone... I wish I could've been there"
person 2 (Luffy) - "I was there when it happened, he took his last breath right in front of me.. I couldn't do anything..."
also Dragon parallel to Akainu as their ultimate leader of the army/Akainu also specifically targeting Luffy because of his blood relation with notorious Monkey D. Dragon
What?
Ace's will was about hunting down and killing Blackbeard.
Akainu had nothing to do with Ace and his story. Akainu only trash talked Whitebeard and Ace got overpowered by him. That's it
Akainu was not even aiming the killing blow at Ace.
In reality you should be saying that Sabo would be fighting Blackbeard because that was Ace's will
Ace's will was about hunting down and killing Blackbeard.
Akainu had nothing to do with Ace and his story. Akainu only trash talked Whitebeard and Ace got overpowered by him. That's it
Akainu was not even aiming the killing blow at Ace.
In reality you should be saying that Sabo would be fighting Blackbeard because that was Ace's will
That was Ace' will as a member of the WBP. Protecting Luffy from Akainu however was his will as Luffy's brother. To protect his little brother from Akainu.
Yeah, just as Akainu will aim for Luffy, with Sabo interfering.
If Akainu liberates himself from the WG, I can see him being an opponent to Luffy. As long as he is a Gorosei Dog however, Imu is set as the villain and Akainu a mere asset.
Yeah, just as Akainu will aim for Luffy, with Sabo interfering.
If Akainu liberates himself from the WG, I can see him being an opponent to Luffy. As long as he is a Gorosei Dog however, Imu is set as the villain and Akainu a mere asset.
Akainu was specifically targeting Luffy even when he had Ace down
Akainu overwhelms ace, tells him to "watch this" and makes his way to Luffy, despite Ace being the target to kill overall in MF Sakazuki clearly had more of the intent to slaughter Strawhat instead
It was like, while MF was about the war/execution of Ace, from Sakazuki's POV it was him trying to eliminate straw hat
Whitebeard and Ace wasn't even his top targets, it was literally Luffy
Akainu overwhelms ace, tells him to "watch this" and makes his way to Luffy, despite Ace being the target to kill overall in MF Sakazuki clearly had more of the intent to slaughter Strawhat instead
It was like, while MF was about the war/execution of Ace, from Sakazuki's POV it was him trying to eliminate straw hat
Whitebeard and Ace wasn't even his top targets, it was literally Luffy
That's not the point. It's about Ace stepping in to protect his brother from Akainu. With Luffy having the ability to turn those around him into his allies. The Revos are targeting the Celestial Dragons. The Admirals are their greatest asset. With Sabo understanding that Imu is something out of his scope and the arch enemy of Luffy (Joyboy), Sabo, instead of going for Imu himself, will be comfortable with fighting the Celestial Dragons greatest asset (Akainu), since this also indirectly means combating the Celestial Dragons, while also taking Ace' role as the one standing between Luffy and Akainu.
Ace' aversion to the BB pirates lives within Sabo's power too. Hence Sabo said that he personally would forgive them but Ace didn't, hence the Mera roasted Burgess.
Again, it's not about Sabo having grudge against Akainu, it's about Sabo playing the role Ace played as being the one standing between Luffy and Akainu.
Ace' aversion to the BB pirates lives within Sabo's power too. Hence Sabo said that he personally would forgive them but Ace didn't, hence the Mera roasted Burgess.
Again, it's not about Sabo having grudge against Akainu, it's about Sabo playing the role Ace played as being the one standing between Luffy and Akainu.
It makes perfect sense for Luffy to defeat Akainu but I don’t think it’s fair to say Sabo isn’t valid. Sabo is Ace’s brother too and yeah true he didn’t witness the death and have him die in his arms or has a physical scar, however I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the emotional and mental trauma he went through just because he wasn’t there, I’d argue it eats away at him MORE because he COULDN’T be there he already went through trauma that made him forget he even had brothers period and the fact he remembered them at the news of his brother dying I can’t even imagine what that’s like, like Luffy felt hopeless so did Sabo because everything was out of his hands. He couldn’t even get closure at least Luffy could speak with Ace before his embers faded he at least spent almost an extra 10 years with his brother. Sabo has to think about all the lost time, but now that he has Luffy nothing matters more. I believe he even said something like it doesn’t matter what his position is in the world if his brother needs him he will be there. Sabo’s character was even birthed, introduced, as Ace was dying and now he’s inherited the same fruit so he can literally take a piece of Ace with him everywhere he goes. Someone already said that Sabo is already presented as an underdog to Akainu that’s rapidly growing in popularity. Raised by Dragon, brother to Ace and Luffy there’s no better alternative to facing Akainu because only Luffy and Sabo can bring that emotional impact. Plus Akainu is not the leader of the world govt he is their top soldier and on the surface leader of their military, but even then Kong outranks him in this regard. So yes it’s true Luffy takes down the leader of the big organizations but Akainu is neither the real leader of the military let alone the world government as a whole. I think it’s better suited for Luffy to interact with Akainu and get his punches in but I feel like if Sabo isn’t tasked with the defeat of Sakazuki than his character’s existence feels like a waste almost, is it really to just have an Ace 2.0 presence? People also say well their aim isn’t marines it’s the celestials, true however a fight with celestials is directly a fight with admirals and cp0 they are the shields of the celestials and Sabo has a connection here. I feel like I have to point out that I am an extreme Akainu wanker 😂 but I have to be honest with y’all.
Akainu = absolute justice
Luffy = freedom
Blackbeard= absolute chaos
Akainu represents when you have no freedom = absolute control (justice)
Blackbeard represent when you have too much freedom = chaos.
And Luffy represents the balance between the two (freedom)
But in Akainu's case he's more important storywise because his justice literally removes freedom (the thing that Luffy wants the most). Ace was denied his freedom just because of his father's sins. To Akainu, Ace was responsible for his father's crime and was wrong just for being born.
And Akainu literally marked Luffy with an X.
You really think that Luffy won't fight Akainu because Sabo for some reason will be there to fight Akainu, even though Sabo's goal is literally celestial dragons, Imu and 5 elders?
Luffy = freedom
Blackbeard= absolute chaos
Akainu represents when you have no freedom = absolute control (justice)
Blackbeard represent when you have too much freedom = chaos.
And Luffy represents the balance between the two (freedom)
But in Akainu's case he's more important storywise because his justice literally removes freedom (the thing that Luffy wants the most). Ace was denied his freedom just because of his father's sins. To Akainu, Ace was responsible for his father's crime and was wrong just for being born.
And Akainu literally marked Luffy with an X.
You really think that Luffy won't fight Akainu because Sabo for some reason will be there to fight Akainu, even though Sabo's goal is literally celestial dragons, Imu and 5 elders?
This wreaks of just head canon for Sabo
i seen your previous post about how "Luffy doesn't hold a grudge due to shanks words" which is a terrible take if you ask me,
just because you don't hold a grudge anymore doesn't mean that you wouldn't shoot the fade with the guy that quite literally marked you
You're thinking the war will be all at once, we don't even know if Imu is a legit god tier or an actual fodder, Akainu has his portrayal and sabo plays a little to none in it while Sakazuki is the ultimate counter of the MC (Enemy/Counter part)
Sure sabo can have his clash but if you think Oda will dodge LuffyVAkainu for that matter then it's safe to assume it's because of your favoritism to a yonko, seeing as if a blood lusted luffy has his match up with Sakazuki it'd destroy everything you been believing for so long.
i seen your previous post about how "Luffy doesn't hold a grudge due to shanks words" which is a terrible take if you ask me,
just because you don't hold a grudge anymore doesn't mean that you wouldn't shoot the fade with the guy that quite literally marked you
You're thinking the war will be all at once, we don't even know if Imu is a legit god tier or an actual fodder, Akainu has his portrayal and sabo plays a little to none in it while Sakazuki is the ultimate counter of the MC (Enemy/Counter part)
Sure sabo can have his clash but if you think Oda will dodge LuffyVAkainu for that matter then it's safe to assume it's because of your favoritism to a yonko, seeing as if a blood lusted luffy has his match up with Sakazuki it'd destroy everything you been believing for so long.
I will read it later but it's not about whether akainu will fight luffy but akainu will get defeated by luffy or not. If BB is the final villain then akainu can be the main villain from marines side but if WG are final villain then unlikely akainu will be the main villain.
Imu is more important
Also if akainu comes after BB then BB's strength will get capped. He won't have 3 DFs plus 3 awakenings or crazy shit like that
Imu is more important
Also if akainu comes after BB then BB's strength will get capped. He won't have 3 DFs plus 3 awakenings or crazy shit like that
There are certain subtleties and archetypes of story telling that are ever present in almost all fiction and even mythology which perhaps a lot of you would consider fiction regardless and these subtleties and archetypes mean more than the preconceived notions about power scaling and agendas. Revenge of the Hero against an evil Tyrant is one of the such ever present archetypes, and that is to an even greater degree emphasized in One Piece.
Luffy always takes revenge, revenge for people who in theory shouldn't be so dear to him, so close to him, people who he just met but he happened to saw agony, despair and mystery of such people caused by such an evil Tyrant. If you happened to be Luffy's friend, then Luffy taking revenge for you from your tyrant almost becomes a certainty even if you being Luffy's friend is not a necessity such as people of Bakura Town.
It all started as early as Arlong Park where Luffy took revenge on the Tyrant Arlong for causing agony to his friend Nami. Remember Nami wasn't someone who has gone through ups and downs with Luffy at this point, hasn't gone through journey of life and death and has built an unbreakable bond but by simply being Luffy's friend alone, Luffy took it upon himself to whoop Arlong's ass and free Cocoyashi Village of the Tyranni caused by the boss of Arlong Park and his band of cronies.. It all started which this iconic moment
This was Luffy's revenge of the Hero for the agony and distressed caused to his friend Nami.
This troupe continued in the next major arc of One Piece Alabasta where Luffy took revenge from an even bigger tyrant, terrorizing an even bigger country of Alabasta for another one of his Friend. Once again Vivi isn't someone that Luffy has spent his entire life with, grew up idolizing and loving her, going to ups and downs throughout Luffy. Vivi is an individual who happened to have spent a matter of weeks to months with Luffy, meeting him in the organs of an oh so gigantic whale. Foundation of Vivi's friendship was certainly Vivi being source of providing meat to Luffy in Whiskey Peak. Then they build some connection and created a bond and we got Straw hats taking charge against Crocodile and his Cronies freeing Alabasta of the tyranni of the Tyrant Crocodile.
It all began with this iconic scene
This idea of Luffy taking revenge on an the tyrant certainly didn't go away in Skypea where story just like Alabasta was repeated but people there had even lighter bond with Luffy. Of course Nico Robin had spend a lot more time with Luffy by the time Enies Lobby happened and an arc such as Enies Lobby requires its own thread but Luffy did take revenge for his friend Nico Robin, granted the tyrant wasn't necessarily Lucci, rather spandam and Nico Robin cracked his ass.
But Ace, Ace is someone Luffy has spent humongous chunk of his life with. He is someone Luffy grew up with, spent his childhood with and exchanged the cup of Sake, promising towards their adventurous future
Now unlike Nico Robin Ace isn't alive to punch a hole in Akainu's body and take revenge for what Akainu did to him..I mean that was the point right? But you would naturally say well that's where Sabo comes in, and to that I will say think again. I will especially say think again to those showing extraordinary amount of contempt towards the notion of Zoro being granted an opportunity to behead Kaido and fulfil his destiny as the Next Sword God after seeing the suffering of Yasui, Hiyori, having the blade of Kozuki Oden, presenting essentially same symbolism as Sabo having Ace's fruit, time he spent in Ringo (I believe it was Ringo) seeing its denizens being forcefully fed defective smile.
In all fairness there was all the more narrative build up for Zoro to behead Kaido than Sabo to punch a hole in Akainu's belly and I will get to that later. But the reason most of the critics of the idea of Zoro beheading Kaido presented is that Zoro can't do that because Luffy is the main character and he has to take..say with me..Hero's Revenge and Save Wano from Tyranni of Kaido.
Well unless I am reading a different story, Sabo doesn't seem to be the main character of the show either, he seems to have significantly inferior presence in the show even compared to Zoro who has been around since the second chapter of the manga and has been present and played at least noticeable if not significant role in every arc.
But it is Luffy, the main character of the show who takes down the ultimate tyrant after he sees suffering of his friends at the hand of the tyrant. But it goes even deeper, and back to the point where Zoro had more narrative build up than Sabo, Luffy has significantly greater narrative buildup than Sabo.
Luffy was present given or taken 6 feet away from the sight at which Akainu punched a hole inside Ace's Body.
This caused a deep trauma in Luffy. A trauma so deep, Luffy momentarily lost functionality and has contemplating quitting his journey as a pirate. He saw death of his brother in front of his very eyes. A tyrant punch a hole in the belly of the man Luffy has loved, admired, idolized since he was a very young child. This was the catalyst to two year time skip where Luffy trained and trained and trained with Silver's Rayleigh so he is strong enough to prevent a situation like this happening in the future
Now moving away from the archetype of Hero's Revenge and the trauma caused to Luffy by Akainu, we have a troupe recurring often in the story telling formula of One Piece and that is significance of scars.
The biggest scar on Zoro's body was caused by Hawk Eyes Mihawk and that is a constant reminder of the failure Zoro suffered as a frog in his tiny well. That scar will remind him to train and train, become stronger, know the world so he can face someone who (lets be real now) Strongest man in the world right now
Scar that stings Shanks the most of caused by Blackbeard and that will certainly play a factor in the story
And the most recent usage of recurring troupe of a major scar on the body playing a huge factor in the story happened with Kaido. For the longest of time the largest and seemingly only scar on Kaido's undestructible body was caused by Kozuki Oden..
As a self fulfilling prophecy, Zoro picked up Kozuki Oden's Blade and used it to cause another major scar on Kaido's body
By far the biggest and most significant scar on Luffy's body is caused by Akainu and to make things even more interesting and impeccably connected (Something that is very scarce in today's One Piece) that scar on Luffy's body was caused by Akainu after he has done punching a hole in Ace's body.
This amount of narrative build up, Luffy's revenge, his trauma, death of his brother in front of his own eyes, significance of his scar on his chest, will not all be tossed out of the window because a certain section of great One Piece fans (Yonkotards) believe Akainu's combat prowess isn't up the standards of someone who will be Luffy's opponent as such a later part of the story. If the requirement for well presented narrative is that Akainu will be Luffy's final marine opponent than that is what will happen, and him being a Luffy's opponent after an emperor of the sea will not stop that. After all nothing is really stopping from the original Admirals to turn out to be stronger than majority if not all of the emperors.
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Luffy always takes revenge, revenge for people who in theory shouldn't be so dear to him, so close to him, people who he just met but he happened to saw agony, despair and mystery of such people caused by such an evil Tyrant. If you happened to be Luffy's friend, then Luffy taking revenge for you from your tyrant almost becomes a certainty even if you being Luffy's friend is not a necessity such as people of Bakura Town.
It all started as early as Arlong Park where Luffy took revenge on the Tyrant Arlong for causing agony to his friend Nami. Remember Nami wasn't someone who has gone through ups and downs with Luffy at this point, hasn't gone through journey of life and death and has built an unbreakable bond but by simply being Luffy's friend alone, Luffy took it upon himself to whoop Arlong's ass and free Cocoyashi Village of the Tyranni caused by the boss of Arlong Park and his band of cronies.. It all started which this iconic moment
This was Luffy's revenge of the Hero for the agony and distressed caused to his friend Nami.
This troupe continued in the next major arc of One Piece Alabasta where Luffy took revenge from an even bigger tyrant, terrorizing an even bigger country of Alabasta for another one of his Friend. Once again Vivi isn't someone that Luffy has spent his entire life with, grew up idolizing and loving her, going to ups and downs throughout Luffy. Vivi is an individual who happened to have spent a matter of weeks to months with Luffy, meeting him in the organs of an oh so gigantic whale. Foundation of Vivi's friendship was certainly Vivi being source of providing meat to Luffy in Whiskey Peak. Then they build some connection and created a bond and we got Straw hats taking charge against Crocodile and his Cronies freeing Alabasta of the tyranni of the Tyrant Crocodile.
It all began with this iconic scene
This idea of Luffy taking revenge on an the tyrant certainly didn't go away in Skypea where story just like Alabasta was repeated but people there had even lighter bond with Luffy. Of course Nico Robin had spend a lot more time with Luffy by the time Enies Lobby happened and an arc such as Enies Lobby requires its own thread but Luffy did take revenge for his friend Nico Robin, granted the tyrant wasn't necessarily Lucci, rather spandam and Nico Robin cracked his ass.
But Ace, Ace is someone Luffy has spent humongous chunk of his life with. He is someone Luffy grew up with, spent his childhood with and exchanged the cup of Sake, promising towards their adventurous future
Now unlike Nico Robin Ace isn't alive to punch a hole in Akainu's body and take revenge for what Akainu did to him..I mean that was the point right? But you would naturally say well that's where Sabo comes in, and to that I will say think again. I will especially say think again to those showing extraordinary amount of contempt towards the notion of Zoro being granted an opportunity to behead Kaido and fulfil his destiny as the Next Sword God after seeing the suffering of Yasui, Hiyori, having the blade of Kozuki Oden, presenting essentially same symbolism as Sabo having Ace's fruit, time he spent in Ringo (I believe it was Ringo) seeing its denizens being forcefully fed defective smile.
In all fairness there was all the more narrative build up for Zoro to behead Kaido than Sabo to punch a hole in Akainu's belly and I will get to that later. But the reason most of the critics of the idea of Zoro beheading Kaido presented is that Zoro can't do that because Luffy is the main character and he has to take..say with me..Hero's Revenge and Save Wano from Tyranni of Kaido.
Well unless I am reading a different story, Sabo doesn't seem to be the main character of the show either, he seems to have significantly inferior presence in the show even compared to Zoro who has been around since the second chapter of the manga and has been present and played at least noticeable if not significant role in every arc.
But it is Luffy, the main character of the show who takes down the ultimate tyrant after he sees suffering of his friends at the hand of the tyrant. But it goes even deeper, and back to the point where Zoro had more narrative build up than Sabo, Luffy has significantly greater narrative buildup than Sabo.
Luffy was present given or taken 6 feet away from the sight at which Akainu punched a hole inside Ace's Body.
This caused a deep trauma in Luffy. A trauma so deep, Luffy momentarily lost functionality and has contemplating quitting his journey as a pirate. He saw death of his brother in front of his very eyes. A tyrant punch a hole in the belly of the man Luffy has loved, admired, idolized since he was a very young child. This was the catalyst to two year time skip where Luffy trained and trained and trained with Silver's Rayleigh so he is strong enough to prevent a situation like this happening in the future
Now moving away from the archetype of Hero's Revenge and the trauma caused to Luffy by Akainu, we have a troupe recurring often in the story telling formula of One Piece and that is significance of scars.
The biggest scar on Zoro's body was caused by Hawk Eyes Mihawk and that is a constant reminder of the failure Zoro suffered as a frog in his tiny well. That scar will remind him to train and train, become stronger, know the world so he can face someone who (lets be real now) Strongest man in the world right now
Scar that stings Shanks the most of caused by Blackbeard and that will certainly play a factor in the story
And the most recent usage of recurring troupe of a major scar on the body playing a huge factor in the story happened with Kaido. For the longest of time the largest and seemingly only scar on Kaido's undestructible body was caused by Kozuki Oden..
As a self fulfilling prophecy, Zoro picked up Kozuki Oden's Blade and used it to cause another major scar on Kaido's body
By far the biggest and most significant scar on Luffy's body is caused by Akainu and to make things even more interesting and impeccably connected (Something that is very scarce in today's One Piece) that scar on Luffy's body was caused by Akainu after he has done punching a hole in Ace's body.
This amount of narrative build up, Luffy's revenge, his trauma, death of his brother in front of his own eyes, significance of his scar on his chest, will not all be tossed out of the window because a certain section of great One Piece fans (Yonkotards) believe Akainu's combat prowess isn't up the standards of someone who will be Luffy's opponent as such a later part of the story. If the requirement for well presented narrative is that Akainu will be Luffy's final marine opponent than that is what will happen, and him being a Luffy's opponent after an emperor of the sea will not stop that. After all nothing is really stopping from the original Admirals to turn out to be stronger than majority if not all of the emperors.
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@MarineHQ
@SakazOuki
@comrade
@Monkey D Theories
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Chrono
@kurwa
@BillSlipton
@Julius
@DonWick
@L55
@HA001 OF THE RAIN
@Extravlad
@Light D Lamperouge
@Shiroyru
@Sasaki Kojirō
@Red Admiral
@The White Crane
@TheAncientCenturion
@Uncle Van
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@Bogard
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Luffy Blueno's or Sabo beats him
The only connection Luffy and Akainu share that Sabo and Akainu don't is the scar
But Sabo and Akainu also have connections Akainu and Luffy don't, for example, Sabo has the Mera and Akainu has the Magu, it would be extremely fitting and poetic if the fruit that lost to Akainu before ends up beating him.
The only connection Luffy and Akainu share that Sabo and Akainu don't is the scar
But Sabo and Akainu also have connections Akainu and Luffy don't, for example, Sabo has the Mera and Akainu has the Magu, it would be extremely fitting and poetic if the fruit that lost to Akainu before ends up beating him.