Powers & Abilities The Astronomical Portrayal Gap between Shanks and Mihawk Part 1: The Bounties

Why is Mihawk's bounty so much more impressive than that of Shanks


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#21
Umm dude this is literally one ship.
There were 50 of those ships in Marine Ford.
This Iceberg is bigger than even Marine Ford


If those Magma fists destroyed every single ship in Marine Ford, even then it won't count as there is gap between ships and gap between fists. Its not a singular attack, each Fist has its own AP, it doesn't compare to power of one slash busting a damn mountain.

So you wanna try again? Maybe something else from Admirals?
Lets call @SakazOuki @MarineHQ and @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung to help you here.
 

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#22
Umm dude this is literally one ship.
There were 50 of those ships in Marine Ford.
This Iceberg is bigger than even Marine Ford


If those Magma fists destroyed every single ship in Marine Ford, even then it won't count as there is gap between ships and gap between fists. Its not a singular attack, each Fist has its own AP, it doesn't compare to power of one slash busting a damn mountain.

So you wanna try again? Maybe something else from Admirals?
Lets call @SakazOuki @MarineHQ and @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung to help you here.
It isn't 1 ship it's half of MF. 🙄
You clown, I never said anything bad on Mihawk but since you annoyed me I'm gonna spend the next while trash talking Mihawk.
 
#23
It isn't 1 ship it's half of MF. 🙄
You clown, I never said anything bad on Mihawk but since you annoyed me I'm gonna spend the next while trash talking Mihawk.
Wait wait, Idk why you are getting heated.
Those Magma fists are strong but how did that cover Half the Marine Ford? What panel are you using?
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@Le Fishe D. Tomdou I am not trying to annoy you man, we are friends.
I am just saying Admirals obviously have great DC but Mihawk's Ice Berg in MF was bigger in DC than any MF DC feat from Akainu

Even @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung doesn't disagree with that.
 
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#26
Luffy and law after dressrosa = they get 500 million each
Luffy kid and law after wano = they get 3 billion each
Law and Kidd got propaganda bounty of defeating Big Mom with bombs etc.

Mihawk got bounty for his STRENGTH
HIS STRENGTH
HIS STRENGTH
ONCE AGAIN HIS STRENGTH
NOTHING BUT HIS STRENGTH

all the bitching moaning malding seething crying weeping lying isn't gonna change that
 
#27
Law and Kidd got propaganda bounty of defeating Big Mom with bombs etc.

Mihawk got bounty for his STRENGTH
HIS STRENGTH
HIS STRENGTH
ONCE AGAIN HIS STRENGTH
NOTHING BUT HIS STRENGTH

all the bitching moaning malding seething crying weeping lying isn't gonna change that
Luffy kid and law got equal bounties because they got equal credit for taking down kaido and linlin. If you think its fair that's a whole different thing

Same applies to luffy and law getting the same bounty for defeating doflamingo
 
#28
Luffy kid and law got equal bounties because they got equal credit for taking down kaido and linlin. If you think its fair that's a whole different thing

Same applies to luffy and law getting the same bounty for defeating doflamingo
Yeah bounty got unfairly distributed
It was a debacle anyways as they literally announced Luffy as a sole winner against Kaido (horrible in itself as Zoro literally nerfed Kaido) and then announced Law and Kidd as joint winners so they should have gotten half the bounty.

That's here nor there, Luffy Law Kidd were pronounced as three leaders of alliance that took down Kaido and Big Mom's alliance and that's their reasons

Shanks' reasons I stated
And Mihawks reason is just his strength

He is essentially as strong as Gol D Roger (or more).
 
#29
Yeah bounty got unfairly distributed
It was a debacle anyways as they literally announced Luffy as a sole winner against Kaido (horrible in itself as Zoro literally nerfed Kaido) and then announced Law and Kidd as joint winners so they should have gotten half the bounty.

That's here nor there, Luffy Law Kidd were pronounced as three leaders of alliance that took down Kaido and Big Mom's alliance and that's their reasons

Shanks' reasons I stated
And Mihawks reason is just his strength

He is essentially as strong as Gol D Roger (or more).
My point is luffy's crew (and fleet + allied countries) is probably at least a tiny bit stronger than kid or law's crew despite having the same bounty. Both in dressrosa and wano

Plus we got characters like pekoms and tamago having higher bounty than oven or daifuku
Apoo and Hawkins having lower bounties than black maria and sasaki or even bm having a lower bounty than sasaki. Arguably all the tobi roppo bounty tbh
Or usopp and jinbe etc
 
#30
My point is luffy's crew (and fleet + allied countries) is probably at least a tiny bit stronger than kid or law's crew despite having the same bounty. Both in dressrosa and wano

Plus we got characters like pekoms and tamago having higher bounty than oven or daifuku
Apoo and Hawkins having lower bounties than black maria and sasaki or even bm having a lower bounty than sasaki. Arguably all the tobi roppo bounty tbh
Or usopp and jinbe etc
Yeah because in both case Luffy and Law were portrayed as leaders of alliance who took down Doffy family and Kaido/BMP alliance hence the same bounty

That doesn't change the fact that Shanks commanders are specifically highlighted as one of primary reasons for Shanks' bounty.

Anyways Zoro low diffs Law so don't be disingenuous with "at least a tiny bit stronger than Law's crew"
 
#32
Yeah because in both case Luffy and Law were portrayed as leaders of alliance who took down Doffy family and Kaido/BMP alliance hence the same bounty

That doesn't change the fact that Shanks commanders are specifically highlighted as one of primary reasons for Shanks' bounty.

Anyways Zoro low diffs Law so don't be disingenuous with "at least a tiny bit stronger than Law's crew"
Thats my point luffy's crew is significantly stronger than either kid or law's lol and like shanks or roger his commanders are special comparable to normal yonko commanders
 
#33
Thats my point luffy's crew is significantly stronger than either kid or law's lol and like shanks or roger his commanders are special comparable to normal yonko commanders
No because to the source assigning bounties they are not special enough as they did not make it to reasoning for Luffys bounty unlike Shanks where they did.

As far as perception of World is concerned Luffy Law and Kidd are competitive.
 
#35
You really dont think jinbe sanji or even zoro are special enough?
Okay first of all I still think Zoro is stronger than Luffy and Sanji and Jinbei are fodders to him. So let's not so non chalantly mention Zoro next to two bugs.

But secondly its not about what we as a readers know..its about perception of the world as Wano is close border country and only news they get is news that CP0 gives them

Other wise Zoro scarring Kaido should be mentioned, Hakai should be mentioned.

But Oda was stupid when he assigned wano bounty and only thing that came into fruition is give leaders of alliance 3 Billion

Give those who dealt with calamities and Whose Who for what ever reason yet not minks 1 Billion

But Luffys crew was not highlighted in his bounty the way Shanks was. I mean technically it is because without that crew luffy won't be yonko and being Yonko gave Luffy his bounty.

I guess world thinks Law's crew can compete with Luffys crew

That doesn't help the case of Mihawk, there is no wiggle room to justify he is merely Yonko level.
 
#36
About time I gave @DonWick @Erkan12 @Red Admiral a Red Pill (No pun Intended)

I am not sure how far away from reality an average Shanks fan or a Luffy fan or Erkan is and how their brain functioning in fabricated false sense of reality actually works but I will drop some undeniable facts from manga and one fact from a movie which is essentially semi canon because it is strictly supervised by Oda and for Shanks fans specially, an enormous source of disgusting unearned Shanks wank.

So lets just look at the chapter where Shanks was given his bounty, because I don't even fundamentally need to fabricate anything unlike suspects on the other side who use nonsense like fake translations, misrepresentations of magazines (Which are only effective when they are against Mihawk but not when they are pro like Mihawk literally making Shanks famous), the actual lies about statements from Eiichiro Oda that never happened like "Oda said Shanks didn't lose any strength with loss of an arm".






So Lets see, what we learned from the people who assigned Shanks his bounty, what was their rationale, what were the reasons for his bounty of roughly 4 Bilion?

Reason 1 : SIX YEARS A MEMBER OF EMPEROR CLASS
This is relevant, a very relevant point because Teach started out as his emperor bounty of 2.25 Billions and without particularly doing anything remarkable or trouble, just within a year (As we learned about that bounty after 2 year time skip during which he became an emperor) he gained a bounty of 3.9 Billion.

So how many jumps has Shanks made since he became an Emperor.

Since Teach has gained about 1.7 Billion in 2 years we will be generous to Shanks since we have a lot of wiggle room here, God Damn is Mihawk's bounty insane, and say Shanks the peace loving (Not really) messiah, only gained 1 Billion Bounty since he became an Emperor. So what does Shanks have left? 3 Billion?

Reason 2 : BECKMAN, ROUX, YASOPP ... HIS CREW MATES ARE WELL RENOWNED
I often question intellectual capacity of an average Yonkotard but quite frankly even amount the miscreants of Yonko army, Shanks fanbase holds a special place when it comes to overwhelming delusion. They will say crew has nothing to do with bounty, crew doesn't increase a Yonko's bouny, only a Yonko increases crew's bounty. That is so catastrophically moronic as his crew is literally being mentioned as a reason for justifying his bounty.

I mean forget the fact that Bounty is literally given to you based on your threat level and an army behind you means you are more threatening than you are alone..like did ya'll even read this panel?


But lets be delusional enough to deny such well established reality, for Shanks especially, his crew is literally mentioned as a reason for his bounty

So having such an insane crew, with Benn Beckmannn, the guy Shanks fans won't stop wanking, yet suddenly he doesn't matter, lets say this adds another 1 Billion to Shanks bounty.

We are now down to 2.05 Billion, see I even round up for Shanks not round down :)

Reason 3 : CHEIF OF RED HAIR PIRATES and EMPEROR OF THE SEA
Of course being a captain of a Well renowned crew, is gonna add to your bounty and being categorized as an Emperor is gonna have huge implications on your bounty. The moment you become an Emperor, your bounty surges up to an insane level. Luffy went from having a bounty of 1.5 Billion as merely "5th Emperor" while his previous bounty being 500 Million only, to having 3 Billion the moment he became an Emperor.

Only Oda and God (if you believe) knows what Buggy's bounty was as a "mere" Warlord like Yonko fans like to ironically downplay the title, I doubt it was more than 1 Billion.

But lets be very very generous to Shanks here as well and say being an Emperor only adds 1 Billion to Shanks bounty

We now have only 1.05 Billion left

That is hilarious because turns out that ain't so far off of what Shanks previous bounty prior to becoming an Emperor actually was


BUT WAIT
WAIT JUST A MINUTE


Even that bounty is not rightfully "earned" I am not too sure earning is the right word to be used to describe criminals but lets just go with it. The dude literally and we gonna dive deeper into film Red now so read at your own discretion Shanks literally stole Uta's bounty : Uta has this very overpowered devil fruit which can summon a giant monster strong enough to wipe out countries. That's as deep as I will go into that, I am not here to summarize the whole move. Anyways that monster destroys a country and Shanks, to protect Uta like a noble messiah, takes credit, or rather blame for such a tragedy

So you gotta wonder how green the grass really is on the side of Yonkou. How much a threat Shanks really is compared to Mihawk who we know and let me paste the panel first before I say this



Mihawk's bounty is given to him, despite all the malding, all the coping, all the seething, all the bitching, all the fabrication of facts, all the head canons, all the nonsense, solely and only due to his
STRENGTH
SKILL
STRENGTH
SKILL
HAKI
STRENGTH
BATTLE IQ
RANGE
LETHALTIY
DID I SAY SKILL
DURABILTY
ENDURANCE
SKILL FOR SURE
STAMINA
SPIRTUALITY
SKILL

HAWK EYES
BLACK BLADE
A LOT OF SKILL
NOT MUCH HAKI


Basically Mihawk's bounty is 3.6 Billion only because of how strong he is. That is all that is mentioned on his bounty, not him hunting Marines, not Cross Guild, only his Strength.

Which is absurd, ridiculous if you ask me as we have to consider the fact that Buggy puts a cap on his bounty. Captain always have the biggest bounty in the crew not matter how close in strength subordinate is to captain, no matter how much subordinate has accomplished, his reputation is always over shadowed by his captain. That is the natural order, and it makes sense because as threatening as you are, the one who commands you is even more threatening as you are part of his threat level, he has you at his disposal.

Unless you are Dracule Fucking Mihawk, you are so much stronger than your captain, meaning SO MUCH STRONGER than one perceived to be as strong as Yonko, as strong as Shanks, that the people assigning you bounty has no choice but to recognize you as biggest threat.

Now lets put Shanks in Mihawk's place and see what happens

Lets start with Base Line 3.6 Billion Bounty

Add 1 Billion for Yonko title
4.6 Billion


Now Lets Add 1 Billion for a famous Crew
5.6 Billion


Now we also gotta give Mihawk 6 years of Experience as an Emperor
6.6 Billion


That is hell of a lot of a difference but such is the difference in strength of Dracule Mihawk and Mere Emperor.

Remember I am being very generous here, not even counting Buggy's captain cap on Mihawk to boost his already insane base line bounty, the Film Red Debacle and the fact that all the deductions I did from Shanks bounty are very conservative.

There goes the whole "Sanji's bounty was once above Zoro"
Read the damn reasons, Mihawk doesn't have a famous father and biased journalist to give him wanky bounty and Shanks didn't miss an arc.

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I tend to agree with most of the logic used here.

But I'll have to reiterate that the calculations on Shanks' bounty is obviously headcanon.
Even if we know that factors such as yonko title, crew, longevity as yonko etc. obviously play a part in bounty, we can't say with certainly what amount of bounty each of these factors would've contributed.

What we do know however is that bounty doesn't just keep increasing in some linear fashion. The strongest (or top 2) pirate, with the strongest crew, the pirate king........ had 5.6 billion.
The next most celebrated pirate in the verse who was hailed as the strongest until the very end, Whiebeard, just has over 5 billion.

So obviously Mihawk wouldn't have any more than 5 billion even while giving him the most benefit of the doubt, even if he was a Yonko.

Point being, it just doesn't rise in a linear fashion.
But I think it is a fair take if you want to assert that Mihawk would've had a better bounty than Shanks, if he was a Yonko for a comparable amount of time. We have no way of knowing for sure, but I will agree that it's a reasonable assumption to make.

And secondly, even if most of the bounty given to Mihawk is indeed due to his individual strength, at least some part of it is definitely contributed by him being a marine hunter.
Or do you think that him hunting down marines had no impact whatsoever on his bounty?
 
#37
Okay first of all I still think Zoro is stronger than Luffy and Sanji and Jinbei are fodders to him. So let's not so non chalantly mention Zoro next to two bugs.

But secondly its not about what we as a readers know..its about perception of the world as Wano is close border country and only news they get is news that CP0 gives them

Other wise Zoro scarring Kaido should be mentioned, Hakai should be mentioned.

But Oda was stupid when he assigned wano bounty and only thing that came into fruition is give leaders of alliance 3 Billion

Give those who dealt with calamities and Whose Who for what ever reason yet not minks 1 Billion

But Luffys crew was not highlighted in his bounty the way Shanks was. I mean technically it is because without that crew luffy won't be yonko and being Yonko gave Luffy his bounty.

I guess world thinks Law's crew can compete with Luffys crew

That doesn't help the case of Mihawk, there is no wiggle room to justify he is merely Yonko level.
I doubt if you took away both luffy and law's bounties out the equation that all the heart pirates bounties together would even surpass robins

No one thinks luffy or laws crew/fleets/etc. are comparable in any way in or out of verse
 
#38
The Feat

Color Scan

Basically, Mihawk slashes, cuts the wave in half, and sends it into the air all in the time it takes Luffy's vest to rise off his stomach.

So I can do KE~

Before anything else?

Gonna find Luffy's waist size.



Luffy = 215 pixels
Luffy Waist = 40 pixels

Luffy Waist/Luffy = 0.186

Luffy = 1.72 meters (here)
Luffy Waist = 0.32 meters

Marineford Diameter = 339 pixels
Wave Height = 350 pixels

Wave Height/Marineford Diameter = 1.032

Marineford Diameter = 2,813.169 meters
Wave Height = 2,903.19 meters

Hate using a diagram, but its the only vague view we get of the thickness.

Wave Height = 137 pixels
Wave Thickness = 58 pixels

Wave Thickness/Wave Height = 0.423

Wave Thickness = 1,228.049 meters

Background

Wave Height = 621 pixels
Wave Top Height = 402 pixels
Wave Half Length = 1037 pixels
Wave Movement = 100 pixels

Wave Top Height/Wave Height = 0.647
Wave Half Length/Wave Height = 1.67
Wave Movement/Wave Height = 0.161

Wave Top Height = 1,878.364 meters
Wave Half Length = 4,848.327 meters
Wave Length = 9,696.654 meters
Wave Movement = 467.414 meters

Volume = LWH

L = Wave Length
W = Wave Thickness
H = Wave Top Height

Wave Top Volume = 22,367,495,113.545 m^3
Water Density = 1,000 kg/m^3
Wave Top Mass = 22,367,495,113,545 kilograms

Foreground

Luffy Waist = 60 pixels
Vest Height = 25 pixels

Vest Height/Luffy Waist = 0.417

Vest Height = 0.133 meters

Time Frame = sqrt(2d/g)

d = Vest Height
g = 9.8 m/s^2

Total Time Frame = 0.165 seconds

Halve Time Time Frame to account for Mihawk's shockwave traveling to the wave and get...

Wave Rising Time Frame = 0.0825 seconds

Wave Rising Speed = 5,665.624 m/s

Dracule Mihawk's Physical Might = 358,990,415,490,352,800,000 joules or 85.801 gigatons or Islandlevel
 
#39
I doubt if you took away both luffy and law's bounties out the equation that all the heart pirates bounties together would even surpass robins

No one thinks luffy or laws crew/fleets/etc. are comparable in any way in or out of verse
How do you know that?
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I tend to agree with most of the logic used here.

But I'll have to reiterate that the calculations on Shanks' bounty is obviously headcanon.
Even if we know that factors such as yonko title, crew, longevity as yonko etc. obviously play a part in bounty, we can't say with certainly what amount of bounty each of these factors would've contributed.

What we do know however is that bounty doesn't just keep increasing in some linear fashion. The strongest (or top 2) pirate, with the strongest crew, the pirate king........ had 5.6 billion.
The next most celebrated pirate in the verse who was hailed as the strongest until the very end, Whiebeard, just has over 5 billion.

So obviously Mihawk wouldn't have any more than 5 billion even while giving him the most benefit of the doubt, even if he was a Yonko.

Point being, it just doesn't rise in a linear fashion.
But I think it is a fair take if you want to assert that Mihawk would've had a better bounty than Shanks, if he was a Yonko for a comparable amount of time. We have no way of knowing for sure, but I will agree that it's a reasonable assumption to make.

And secondly, even if most of the bounty given to Mihawk is indeed due to his individual strength, at least some part of it is definitely contributed by him being a marine hunter.
Or do you think that him hunting down marines had no impact whatsoever on his bounty?
Is Hunting Marines on such a significant level that they had to pay him to stop the hunt and doing so across new world on nothing but a raft not a strength feat in itself?

Although I think Oda has made a point to announce reasons for bounty before assigning bounties and marine hunting wasn't one of the reasons
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The Feat

Color Scan

Basically, Mihawk slashes, cuts the wave in half, and sends it into the air all in the time it takes Luffy's vest to rise off his stomach.

So I can do KE~

Before anything else?

Gonna find Luffy's waist size.



Luffy = 215 pixels
Luffy Waist = 40 pixels

Luffy Waist/Luffy = 0.186

Luffy = 1.72 meters (here)
Luffy Waist = 0.32 meters

Marineford Diameter = 339 pixels
Wave Height = 350 pixels

Wave Height/Marineford Diameter = 1.032

Marineford Diameter = 2,813.169 meters
Wave Height = 2,903.19 meters

Hate using a diagram, but its the only vague view we get of the thickness.

Wave Height = 137 pixels
Wave Thickness = 58 pixels

Wave Thickness/Wave Height = 0.423

Wave Thickness = 1,228.049 meters

Background

Wave Height = 621 pixels
Wave Top Height = 402 pixels
Wave Half Length = 1037 pixels
Wave Movement = 100 pixels

Wave Top Height/Wave Height = 0.647
Wave Half Length/Wave Height = 1.67
Wave Movement/Wave Height = 0.161

Wave Top Height = 1,878.364 meters
Wave Half Length = 4,848.327 meters
Wave Length = 9,696.654 meters
Wave Movement = 467.414 meters

Volume = LWH

L = Wave Length
W = Wave Thickness
H = Wave Top Height

Wave Top Volume = 22,367,495,113.545 m^3
Water Density = 1,000 kg/m^3
Wave Top Mass = 22,367,495,113,545 kilograms

Foreground

Luffy Waist = 60 pixels
Vest Height = 25 pixels

Vest Height/Luffy Waist = 0.417

Vest Height = 0.133 meters

Time Frame = sqrt(2d/g)

d = Vest Height
g = 9.8 m/s^2

Total Time Frame = 0.165 seconds

Halve Time Time Frame to account for Mihawk's shockwave traveling to the wave and get...

Wave Rising Time Frame = 0.0825 seconds

Wave Rising Speed = 5,665.624 m/s

Dracule Mihawk's Physical Might = 358,990,415,490,352,800,000 joules or 85.801 gigatons or Islandlevel
It is overall best pre time skip feat.
What do you think?

I don't think any admiral pulled that level of feat pre time skip
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I tend to agree with most of the logic used here.

But I'll have to reiterate that the calculations on Shanks' bounty is obviously headcanon.
Even if we know that factors such as yonko title, crew, longevity as yonko etc. obviously play a part in bounty, we can't say with certainly what amount of bounty each of these factors would've contributed.

What we do know however is that bounty doesn't just keep increasing in some linear fashion. The strongest (or top 2) pirate, with the strongest crew, the pirate king........ had 5.6 billion.
The next most celebrated pirate in the verse who was hailed as the strongest until the very end, Whiebeard, just has over 5 billion.

So obviously Mihawk wouldn't have any more than 5 billion even while giving him the most benefit of the doubt, even if he was a Yonko.

Point being, it just doesn't rise in a linear fashion.
But I think it is a fair take if you want to assert that Mihawk would've had a better bounty than Shanks, if he was a Yonko for a comparable amount of time. We have no way of knowing for sure, but I will agree that it's a reasonable assumption to make.

And secondly, even if most of the bounty given to Mihawk is indeed due to his individual strength, at least some part of it is definitely contributed by him being a marine hunter.
Or do you think that him hunting down marines had no impact whatsoever on his bounty?
Mihawks bounty might be above pirate king if he takes Yonko title from Buggy and goes on to do the kinda things Shanks has done.

Lets say he starts out by some how recruiting the biggest subordinate available aka Rayleigh

Rayleigh alone stacks up to Shanks 3 Major commanders

Then say he breaks into Impel Down cuts that facility to pieces kills the warden and frees doffy and basically frees every other prisoner too

Then say he decides to expand his territory

If Sedentary Mihawk started that high..it is insane to assume how high active Mihawk would go
 
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How do you know that?
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Is Hunting Marines on such a significant level that they had to pay him to stop the hunt and doing so across new world on nothing but a raft not a strength feat in itself?

Although I think Oda has made a point to announce reasons for bounty before assigning bounties and marine hunting wasn't one of the reasons
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It is overall best pre time skip feat.
What do you think?

I don't think any admiral pulled that level of feat pre time skip
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Mihawks bounty might be above pirate king if he takes Yonko title from Buggy and goes on to do the kinda things Shanks has done.

Lets say he starts out by some how recruiting the biggest subordinate available aka Rayleigh

Rayleigh alone stacks up to Shanks 3 Major commanders

Then say he breaks into Impel Down cuts that facility to pieces kills the warden and frees doffy and basically frees every other prisoner too

Then say he decides to expand his territory

If Sedentary Mihawk started that high..it is insane to assume how high active Mihawk would go
Do you believe law's crew (minus law) has an even somewhat comparable bounty all together to luffy's crew and fleet (minus luffy)
 
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