Since I was accused of not knowing anything about power levels because I said Chopper and Usopp can't face Tobi Roppo, here is a refresher of where Straw Hats stand power scaling wise. While WE CAN EXPECT POWER UPS, let's not forget, there are limits... This isn't Fairy Tail.
This is a ranking of the DD family. These grades don't mean anything in absolute terms, but they are use to rank characters RELATIVE to each other.
Doflamingo (S)
Vergo (A+)
- - - Sanji (A) - - -
Pica (A-)
- - - 1 legged Kyros (B+) - - -
Trebol/Diamante (B)
Lao G/Dellinger (B-)
Gladius/Senor Pink (C+)
Buffalo/Baby 5/Machvise (C)
So where do Straw Hats stand? Well, let's take a look.
First, Usopp. If we rank Trebol and Diamante as a B, then Usopp would be far below that:
In fact, the gap is so big, Usopp cannot even compete with the likes of Gladius or Senor Pink (who Franky and Barto struggled against). So Usopp at best is a C rank fighter. He is comparable to Buffalo/Baby 5/Machvise (He later helped defeat the first two).
Secondly, Franky. He was struggling somewhat with Baby 5 and Buffalo (had to use General Franky), so we can't say he is THAT far ahead of Usopp. But he was stronger than them, since he defeated Senor Pink. He is for now a C+ rank fighter. He is comparable to, of course, Senor Pink and Gladius. However, if you compare Kyros to Franky, you can see the power gap is very noticeable. He was NOT in the B (Trebol/Diamante) or B+ category.
So Franky needs a MASSIVE powerup to go to Kyros level. The first step is becoming stronger than Lao G and Dellinger, and the second is Trebol/Diamante.
Weak Trio - C level fighters : Comparable to Machvise, Baby 5, Buffalo
Mid Trio - C+ level fighters: Comparable to Senor Pink and Gladius
So, how strong is your average headliner? Well we know Sheepshead was at least strong enough to have a serious clash with Brook (C+ rank). Is he on par, stronger, weaker than Brook? We don't know. But we can say they shouldn't be miles away from one another in strength. At least not when compared with Sanji.
In fact, if you have "pre-Wano" Luffy, all it took was a Red Hawk to take Holdem, another Headliner out.
So the average Headliners seems around <C to B- rank, when compared to the DD family. At best, on the level of a Dellinger or Lao G. They are not on the level of a "Seat" of DD family.
Now, X-Drake, being a Supernova, can clearly at least be put on the "A- to A+ rank" level of a Pica, Sanji, Vergo. Again, the key word is "at least", meaning he could be on par or stronger. Knowing that Sanji one shot a guy who could clash with Brook (C+ rank) with a named attack, we can clearly surmise that Page One has to at least be B/B+ rank, due to the fact that he is much stronger than Sheepshead. So it seems most Tobi Roppo are around A- to A+ level. Again, reminder that the absolute floor we established was Trebol and Diamante at B rank.
First, let's start by saying outright, that none of them are on Tobi Roppo level right now. The 6 Tobi Roppo are: X-Drake, Page One, Sasaki, Who's Who, Ulti and Black Maria. X-Drake and Page One are clearly way out of reach even with power ups. When Queen called on them, Who's Who and Sasaki were bickering over who's going to replace Queen, so they are too strong too. That leaves Black Maria and Ulti.
If Oda decides to make these ladies B rank or B+ rank, could one of Nami or Robin beat them? Unlikely, but not impossible. Nami was a C+ rank on Dressrosa, meaning on the level of a Buffalo, Baby 5 or Machvise. So she has to climb 3 levels through -> Gladius and Senor Pink -> Dellinger and Lao G -> Trebol and Diamante. Robin, on the other hand, can be placed on the level of a Senor Pink and Gladius and only has to go through 2 levels in Dellinger and Lao G -> Trebol and Diamante.
Essentially, Nami's Zeus power up, and Robin's new powerup, would have to launch them 2-3 levels upwards AND Ulti/Black Maria have to be = Trebol/Diamante level. That is a lot of ifs and buts. Again, is it possible? Sure, but the odds are VERY slim to say the least. Unfortunately, for the boys, Franky, Usopp, Brook and Chopper, the odds are terrible. The only way they could take down one of X-Drake, Page One, Sasaki, or Who's Who, is if they teamed up, or Franky got some awesome nuclear bomb to nuke Page One. Let's remember that Sai got some very strong CoA power up (Don Chinjao even said he surpassed him), and it was used simply for Lao G.
If any of the Mid/Weak Trio unlock CoA, they ain't matching Sai's CoA which is ridiculous for his level.
This is a ranking of the DD family. These grades don't mean anything in absolute terms, but they are use to rank characters RELATIVE to each other.
Doflamingo (S)
Vergo (A+)
- - - Sanji (A) - - -
Pica (A-)
- - - 1 legged Kyros (B+) - - -
Trebol/Diamante (B)
Lao G/Dellinger (B-)
Gladius/Senor Pink (C+)
Buffalo/Baby 5/Machvise (C)
So where do Straw Hats stand? Well, let's take a look.
Usopp
First, Usopp. If we rank Trebol and Diamante as a B, then Usopp would be far below that:
In fact, the gap is so big, Usopp cannot even compete with the likes of Gladius or Senor Pink (who Franky and Barto struggled against). So Usopp at best is a C rank fighter. He is comparable to Buffalo/Baby 5/Machvise (He later helped defeat the first two).
Franky
Secondly, Franky. He was struggling somewhat with Baby 5 and Buffalo (had to use General Franky), so we can't say he is THAT far ahead of Usopp. But he was stronger than them, since he defeated Senor Pink. He is for now a C+ rank fighter. He is comparable to, of course, Senor Pink and Gladius. However, if you compare Kyros to Franky, you can see the power gap is very noticeable. He was NOT in the B (Trebol/Diamante) or B+ category.
So Franky needs a MASSIVE powerup to go to Kyros level. The first step is becoming stronger than Lao G and Dellinger, and the second is Trebol/Diamante.
Mid Trio and Weak Trio
Since we can compare the Mid Trio with one another, and Weak Trio with one another, the rankings are:
Weak Trio - C level fighters : Comparable to Machvise, Baby 5, Buffalo
Mid Trio - C+ level fighters: Comparable to Senor Pink and Gladius
Tobi Roppo: Part I
Now, where do the Tobi Roppo stand? We have very little clue, except that they are strongest Headliners. They could be anywhere from Headliners and up to/on par with Commanders. Let's leave Hawkins out of this for now (although let's not exclude that they could be stronger than him either) because that's a gray territory due to his recent arrival and we don't know if he's had the proper chance to even ask/compete for a spot.
Headliners
So, how strong is your average headliner? Well we know Sheepshead was at least strong enough to have a serious clash with Brook (C+ rank). Is he on par, stronger, weaker than Brook? We don't know. But we can say they shouldn't be miles away from one another in strength. At least not when compared with Sanji.
In fact, if you have "pre-Wano" Luffy, all it took was a Red Hawk to take Holdem, another Headliner out.
So the average Headliners seems around <C to B- rank, when compared to the DD family. At best, on the level of a Dellinger or Lao G. They are not on the level of a "Seat" of DD family.
Tobi Roppo: Part II
So, let's ask again, where do the Tobi Roppo stand? We don't know the ceiling (potentially even on par with Calamities), but we can establish a floor. The floor is >= B rank. So they are at least on the level of a Trebol or Diamante. Mind you, even the weakest Tobbi Roppo could be MUCH, MUCH stronger than this, but let's speak in certain terms for now. (And to be fair we know Oda hasn't been great with female characters in this respect).
Now, X-Drake, being a Supernova, can clearly at least be put on the "A- to A+ rank" level of a Pica, Sanji, Vergo. Again, the key word is "at least", meaning he could be on par or stronger. Knowing that Sanji one shot a guy who could clash with Brook (C+ rank) with a named attack, we can clearly surmise that Page One has to at least be B/B+ rank, due to the fact that he is much stronger than Sheepshead. So it seems most Tobi Roppo are around A- to A+ level. Again, reminder that the absolute floor we established was Trebol and Diamante at B rank.
Conclusion: Who can the weak/mid trio Straw Hats beat
First, let's start by saying outright, that none of them are on Tobi Roppo level right now. The 6 Tobi Roppo are: X-Drake, Page One, Sasaki, Who's Who, Ulti and Black Maria. X-Drake and Page One are clearly way out of reach even with power ups. When Queen called on them, Who's Who and Sasaki were bickering over who's going to replace Queen, so they are too strong too. That leaves Black Maria and Ulti.
If Oda decides to make these ladies B rank or B+ rank, could one of Nami or Robin beat them? Unlikely, but not impossible. Nami was a C+ rank on Dressrosa, meaning on the level of a Buffalo, Baby 5 or Machvise. So she has to climb 3 levels through -> Gladius and Senor Pink -> Dellinger and Lao G -> Trebol and Diamante. Robin, on the other hand, can be placed on the level of a Senor Pink and Gladius and only has to go through 2 levels in Dellinger and Lao G -> Trebol and Diamante.
Essentially, Nami's Zeus power up, and Robin's new powerup, would have to launch them 2-3 levels upwards AND Ulti/Black Maria have to be = Trebol/Diamante level. That is a lot of ifs and buts. Again, is it possible? Sure, but the odds are VERY slim to say the least. Unfortunately, for the boys, Franky, Usopp, Brook and Chopper, the odds are terrible. The only way they could take down one of X-Drake, Page One, Sasaki, or Who's Who, is if they teamed up, or Franky got some awesome nuclear bomb to nuke Page One. Let's remember that Sai got some very strong CoA power up (Don Chinjao even said he surpassed him), and it was used simply for Lao G.
If any of the Mid/Weak Trio unlock CoA, they ain't matching Sai's CoA which is ridiculous for his level.
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