Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1071 Spoilers Discussion

[Albino 👑]

Ehh, I disagree.

Lucci had stats to compete with G5 Luffy using basic haki. While Katakuri was just able to match WCI G4 Luffy using basic haki. And the clash from Lucci means something, because we saw a large amount of haki lightning indicating high amount of haki being used there.
Even with just basic haki........Current G5 > current G4 > WCI G4
Katakuri is overall stronger IMO due to FS and CQC, but Lucci is at or above his level when it comes to base stats.

Thousand Sunny is a decently big enough ship, and base Kaku was casually able to generate a flying slash larger than that ship. I don't think that is a tobiroppo-esque portrayal there.

Lucci is almost YC1 level (YC1-2 tier)
Kaku is almost YC2 level (YC2-3 tier)

Both would defeat Dresrossa Luffy/Zoro.

G5 luffy overall is stronger than g0-4 luffy but i don't think every g5 punch is stronger than g4 ones. Especially the ones he used on lucci
I dont think lucci is stronger than doffy either let alone kata

Tbf kaku is a swordsman that uses even his legs as swords. Air slashes being something they usually specialize in. Like even diamante has some pretty big air skashes. I dont think kaku has shown anything yet to put him over whos who let alone jack

Imo just like pre timeskip luffy and zoro still win

 

[Topi Jerami]

Sentomaru himself asked Luffy to go...what are you saying...
you use the logic that shonen = powerup then why don't you use one piece logic of "Lucci can't be taken out yet" logic or plot demands the logic of "Lucci need access to seraphim" or the logic of "underdog Luffy by making Lucci not acknowledging" or even the logic of "Lucci making excuse for fighting Luffy without getting a nod from marineHQ" .....



Of course unless you remove "hater glasses" you won't see the context...



no matter how hard you try you can't pluck feathers from the egg....

speaking of acknowledgement, I hope you have "acknowledged" Luffy as much as Kaido or Katakuri did at that time...or world acknowledging Luffy as yonko...of course here agenda doesn't work...selective bias...

anyways better luck next tiime...:cheers:

What a wall of excuses
"Sentomaru told him to go" yeah so Luffy left injured Sentomaru behind while he chickened out. Lucci literally said "kill Sentomaru" yet he left Sentomaru injured behind. Never knew according to his fanboy, Luffy is actually a cold blooded bastard.
If KOing Lucci is too much for his underwhelming, not Yonko level AP, at least he should grab and piggyback Sentomaru while escaping instead of leaving the poor, injured man behind.

"Lucci can't be taken out yet" then simply don't make the 2 fighting. But Oda drawed all the fight and in the end Gear 5 not only looked underwhelming for fans but also for Lucci's opinion as well.

"Lucci needs access of Seraphim" then simply don't make Sentomaru coming to that place, and automatically the Seraphims would be in Lucci's command. Or simply made CP0 ranked higher than Sentomaru for commanding Seraphims.
But nope, that's not what happened.

No matter you fanboys are twisting it, doesn't change the fact Gear 5 looked pathetic, running away like chicken, leaving injured comrade behind, and even Lucci is disappointed with his action.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

G5 luffy overall is stronger than g0-4 luffy but i don't think every g5 punch is stronger than g4 ones. Especially the ones he used on lucci
I dont think lucci is stronger than doffy either let alone kata

Tbf kaku is a swordsman that uses even his legs as swords. Air slashes being something they usually specialize in. Like even diamante has some pretty big air skashes. I dont think kaku has shown anything yet to put him over whos who let alone jack

Imo just like pre timeskip luffy and zoro still win

Yeah I don't see how people will see Marco block a Bolo Breath and King tank sword slices from Zoro and then look at Lucci getting knocked out by 3 basic G5 punches and say " Yeah this dude claps YC1 levels "

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What a wall of excuses
"Sentomaru told him to go" yeah so Luffy left injured Sentomaru behind while he chickened out. Lucci literally said "kill Sentomaru" yet he left Sentomaru injured behind. Never knew according to his fanboy, Luffy is actually a cold blooded bastard.
If KOing Lucci is too much for his underwhelming, not Yonko level AP, at least he should grab and piggyback Sentomaru while escaping instead of leaving the poor, injured man behind.

"Lucci can't be taken out yet" then simply don't make the 2 fighting. But Oda drawed all the fight and in the end Gear 5 not only looked underwhelming for fans but also for Lucci's opinion as well.

"Luffy needs access of Seraphim" then simply don't make Sentomaru coming to that place, and automatically the Seraphims would be in Lucci's command. Or simply made CP0 ranked higher than Sentomaru for commanding Seraphims.
But nope, that's not what happened.

No matter you fanboys are twisting it, doesn't change the fact Gear 5 looked pathetic, running away like chicken, leaving injured comrade behind, and even Lucci is disappointed with his action.

Did Luffy bulk his muscles? Did he turn into a giant? Did he grab lightning? Use a gigantic island sized fist on Lucci? Nope.
Dude was barely trying.
Mfs see him use G5 and immediately correlate that to him actually trying.

 

[Paperchampion23]

What a wall of excuses
"Sentomaru told him to go" yeah so Luffy left injured Sentomaru behind while he chickened out. Lucci literally said "kill Sentomaru" yet he left Sentomaru injured behind. Never knew according to his fanboy, Luffy is actually a cold blooded bastard.
If KOing Lucci is too much for his underwhelming, not Yonko level AP, at least he should grab and piggyback Sentomaru while escaping instead of leaving the poor, injured man behind.

"Lucci can't be taken out yet" then simply don't make the 2 fighting. But Oda drawed all the fight and in the end Gear 5 not only looked underwhelming for fans but also for Lucci's opinion as well.

"Lucci needs access of Seraphim" then simply don't make Sentomaru coming to that place, and automatically the Seraphims would be in Lucci's command. Or simply made CP0 ranked higher than Sentomaru for commanding Seraphims.
But nope, that's not what happened.

No matter you fanboys are twisting it, doesn't change the fact Gear 5 looked pathetic, running away like chicken, leaving injured comrade behind, and even Lucci is disappointed with his action.

Bro its not that deep

 

[SatanKingofHell]

Lilith is giving me big Pudding vibes.

 

[grey matter]

-Oda created an entire separate character for the sole purpose of continuing Oden wank without break in Yamato, god forbid a panel goes by without his dick being stroked.
-He even handed Zoro a sword that somehow managed to take the focus away from Zoro and give it to Oden.

And this is ignoring Kaidou the literal WSC, being a hype tool for Oden in his own fucking arc LOL. How tf do you actively dehype your own final boss and current World's Strongest for a flashback character?

Oda is odensexual fr. And this is without factoring in how badly written him and his plot was, (deny help, dance butt naked and wait for an enemy who is shit scared of you to grow stronger only to fight when he is prepared) Oda's lowest point as an author.

Hands down worst character in the manga.

Agree about Yamato point. Beyond ridiculous that she is still pretending to be Oden, wtf. I had thought that the point was that she would eventually get over the cosplay delusion and get some character moments.

Kaido was a bit dehyped, but there was nothing proving that Kaido would've lost the fight there. But this was hinted earlier anyway with the scar....plus, it was just interrupted mid way. The "flashback character" getting hype also facilitated to further hype up the old legends such as Roger, WB and Rayleigh who has portrayal over Oden.......hence further cementing that these are benchmarks for the current gen to reach/surpass.
IMO the way it was handled was the best way to not dehype either Kaido and Oden's legend. If Oden won, Kaido's hype suffers, if Kaido wins, Oden's legend/hype amongst the populace suffers.

I think Zoro stuff was fine really. Just a few usual agenda bois using that to downplay Zoro saying Oden haki and shit.
Zoro was narratively required to eventually give up Shisui, because that's the black blade from another man's legend/efforts. And Wano was the perfect arc to let it go and get it's replacement.
I think Enma was a good replacement for Zoro. Enma was a non BS way for Zoro to go from realizing he's a conqueror to quickly move onto advanced conqueror's haki. Zoro taming Enma in the end signifies his growth and puts him relative to Oden (at least for the duration of KoH), so it ended up hyping Zoro in the end anyway.
Oden himself hasn't turned it black, so when Zoro does, it moreso benefits his portrayal as well.


Oden was a retard to believe that Kaido would just leave.
But Orochi had hostages. He just did what typical "good natured" idiots do in anime/manga. And Orochi did indeed release prisoners free every month, so Oden didn't have any excuse to rebel just yet.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Doll is kinda stacked though..

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Oda is odensexual fr.

Fantastic post.

 

[vikas]

-Oda created an entire separate character for the sole purpose of continuing Oden wank without break in Yamato, god forbid a panel goes by without his dick being stroked.
-He even handed Zoro a sword that somehow managed to take the focus away from Zoro and give it to Oden.

And this is ignoring Kaidou the literal WSC, being a hype tool for Oden in his own fucking arc LOL. How tf do you actively dehype your own final boss and current World's Strongest for a flashback character?

Oda is odensexual fr. And this is without factoring in how badly written him and his plot was, (deny help, dance butt naked and wait for an enemy who is shit scared of you to grow stronger only to fight when he is prepared) Oda's lowest point as an author.

Hands down worst character in the manga.

He is even forcing his wife to cosplay oden now instead of nami.

 

[Gintoki]

Bro, look at Kaku's face and compare it to Kid's. It's not just the sweat. He legit looks panicked.

It's like BB vs. Ray level, lol.

More like when Luffy saw Lucci for the first time post-ts a couple of chapters ago

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

-Oda created an entire separate character for the sole purpose of continuing Oden wank without break in Yamato, god forbid a panel goes by without his dick being stroked.
-He even handed Zoro a sword that somehow managed to take the focus away from Zoro and give it to Oden.

And this is ignoring Kaidou the literal WSC, being a hype tool for Oden in his own fucking arc LOL. How tf do you actively dehype your own final boss and current World's Strongest for a flashback character?

Oda is odensexual fr. And this is without factoring in how badly written him and his plot was, (deny help, dance butt naked and wait for an enemy who is shit scared of you to grow stronger only to fight when he is prepared) Oda's lowest point as an author.

Hands down worst character in the manga.

No way Oden was dropping it down low in front of children, worst part is that everyone saw this and said " yeah put that shit in the manga bro "

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If that mysterious person is Scopper Gaban, oh you know it's over for Sanji haters.

We already know Sanji would also clean up CP0, nothing new, CP0 ain't that powerful lol.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

cringe

Sorry mate but we saw what happened to Punk Hazard Smoker against Law and Doflamingo. We also saw the difference between Alabasta Smoker and W7 Lucci. Smokey is cool though, I really like his character.

 

[Albino 👑]

I think oden is cool he feels like a Japanese version of Hercules

The enma wank is still lame as hell

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I think oden is cool he feels like a Japanese version of Hercules

The enma wank is still lame as hell

Enma is one of Oden's saving graces. You don't like it because... Zoro.

 

[RayanOO]

Same attack without using hybrid form, shows the growth in Kaku's strength.

It shows that Kaku has still more powerful moves in his bag and Zoro feat while good is not that insane at all

Kaku maybe new final move > Kaku big Rankyaku with Hybrid >> Kaku move without hybrid

It’s like saying that someone can stop Zoro attack without him using haki and bandana. Good feat but nothing insane.

 

[Albino 👑]

Enma is one of Oden's saving graces. You don't like it because... Zoro.

?
Nobody cares about enma the sword. Oden weilding it doesn't make him cooler

Tho i dont like how the whole enma zoro plot was handled at all tbf

 

[grey matter]

G5 luffy overall is stronger than g0-4 luffy but i don't think every g5 punch is stronger than g4 ones. Especially the ones he used on lucci

I never claimed that tho.
Of course not every attack from G5 is stronger than G5. Heck, I even think that the attack power is comparable, but main difference maker is durability.

But to be considered are:
- current G4 with basic haki >> post WCI G4 with basic haki > Dresrossa G4 with basic haki. So same further applies to G5 as well.
- that wasn't Lucci's strongest attack either. All I'm saying is both used a considerable amount of haki in that clash, and it was even. Just as how Luffy would be capable of stronger attacks, so would be Lucci


We saw that Lucci easily one shotted Sentomaru, who I can guarentee would tank Dresrossa arc G4 Luffy attacks with his advanced armament haki.

I dont think lucci is stronger than doffy either let alone kata

I never claimed Lucci > Katakuri, in fact I said the opposite.

I literally put Lucci at "YC1-2"

All I said was, in pure physical stats, Lucci is arguably above Katakuri.
But Katakuri's CQC and future sight gives him the win here.

Tbf kaku is a swordsman that uses even his legs as swords. Air slashes being something they usually specialize in. Like even diamante has some pretty big air skashes. I dont think kaku has shown anything yet to put him over whos who let alone jack

Did Diamante casually produce ship level slashes?

If yes, then I can agree that Kaku being commander level will have to wait.
It will likely be the case tho, since Kaku hasn't used his zoan powers, from giraffe which was specifically hyped for it's physical strength. But regardless.......... I can agree that it will have to wait

Imo just like pre timeskip luffy and zoro still win

Different timelines my guy.

Alabasta Luffy/Zoro would get no diff'd.
Heck, W7 versions got no diff'd as well lol.

Just because currently they would stomp them doesn't mean that their Dresrossa versions could.
Current Luffy/Zoro can stomp their Dresrossa versions as well.......one shot even honestly.

Yeah I don't see how people will see Marco block a Bolo Breath and King tank sword slices from Zoro and then look at Lucci getting knocked out by 3 basic G5 punches and say " Yeah this dude claps YC1 levels "

I didn't claim that tho. (just saying cause you responded to a quote addressing me)

King mid diff
Marco mid-high diff
Katakuri high diff

I think Katakuri gets KO'd from 3 off guard attacks from G5 Luffy as well.
The dude's schtick is dodging attacks, not tanking (those are the forte of King and Marco). We saw that post WCI G4 Luffy, whose stats scale relative to Katakuri, got one shot by base Kaido.

Lucci is still up and running tho.
The parallel was G3 Luffy knocking down Lucci. Lucci was ultimately fine, but the shock momentarily took him out.

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

I think oden is cool he feels like a Japanese version of Hercules

The enma wank is still lame as hell

Hercules >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oden

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I'm so conflicted with Zoro. It's like, he's cool, calm, and collected, but I don't know for some reason I'm not incredibly fond of him.
Definitely a great character and I acknowledge the fact that he's above Sanji by a considerable margin and will probably be nearly on par with Luffy at the end of the series, but I don't really know his appeal. I like people like Luffy, BB, and Big Mom because they're not just power scaling tools- they have actual goals and motives. Zoro has a goal, but he doesn't have an incredible amount of character besides it. I like him though, definitely a good character, just not incredible.

 

[Seatonnes]

this is a mid chapter