Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1071 Spoilers Discussion

Will we get an Elbaf Arc?


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Different timelines my guy.

Alabasta Luffy/Zoro would get no diff'd.
Heck, W7 versions got no diff'd as well lol.

Just because currently they would stomp them doesn't mean that their Dresrossa versions could.
Current Luffy/Zoro can stomp their Dresrossa versions as well.......one shot even honestly.
Luffy and zoro surpassed lucci and kaku in enies lobby
While growing stronger and stronger even before they started their 2 years of training

Lucci and kaku don't have a faster growth rate than the main characters they already got defeated by
 
I never claimed that tho.
Of course not every attack from G5 is stronger than G5. Heck, I even think that the attack power is comparable, but main difference maker is durability.

But to be considered are:
- current G4 with basic haki >> post WCI G4 with basic haki > Dresrossa G4 with basic haki. So same further applies to G5 as well.
- that wasn't Lucci's strongest attack either. All I'm saying is both used a considerable amount of haki in that clash, and it was even. Just as how Luffy would be capable of stronger attacks, so would be Lucci


We saw that Lucci easily one shotted Sentomaru, who I can guarentee would tank Dresrossa arc G4 Luffy attacks with his advanced armament haki.



I never claimed Lucci > Katakuri, in fact I said the opposite.

I literally put Lucci at "YC1-2"

All I said was, in pure physical stats, Lucci is arguably above Katakuri.
But Katakuri's CQC and future sight gives him the win here.



Did Diamante casually produce ship level slashes?

If yes, then I can agree that Kaku being commander level will have to wait.
It will likely be the case tho, since Kaku hasn't used his zoan powers, from giraffe which was specifically hyped for it's physical strength. But regardless.......... I can agree that it will have to wait



Different timelines my guy.

Alabasta Luffy/Zoro would get no diff'd.
Heck, W7 versions got no diff'd as well lol.

Just because currently they would stomp them doesn't mean that their Dresrossa versions could.
Current Luffy/Zoro can stomp their Dresrossa versions as well.......one shot even honestly.



I didn't claim that tho. (just saying cause you responded to a quote addressing me)

King mid diff
Marco mid-high diff
Katakuri high diff

I think Katakuri gets KO'd from 3 off guard attacks from G5 Luffy as well.
The dude's schtick is dodging attacks, not tanking (those are the forte of King and Marco). We saw that post WCI G4 Luffy, whose stats scale relative to Katakuri, got one shot by base Kaido.

Lucci is still up and running tho.
The parallel was G3 Luffy knocking down Lucci. Lucci was ultimately fine, but the shock momentarily took him out.
Thing is if those characters knock him out and see him trying to get back up soon after, they are not gonna just sit around like Luffy and Sentomaru did. They're gonna keep spamming attacks on him to keep him down.
And stuff like Marco's shockwave ball ( that he hit Queen with in the neck ) would fuck Lucci up and probably make him spit blood a bit.
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btw should I change my pfp to this

the pic kinda goes hard
 

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Nobody cares about enma the sword. Oden weilding it doesn't make him cooler

Tho i dont like how the whole enma zoro plot was handled at all tbf
Oh, please. Everyone cares about Enma; that's why they don't stop talking about it and keep on associating Oden with it even when it's Zoro doing shit with it. I am sure everyone will continue to do this as long as Zoro wields Enma.
 
Oh, please. Everyone cares about Enma; that's why they don't stop talking about it and keep on associating Oden with it even when it's Zoro doing shit with it. I am sure everyone will continue to do this as long as Zoro wields Enma.
No one cares about enma in real life despite how much oda tries to wank the sword
One of thr big reasons the enma wank hurta zoro instead of hyping him like its supposed to
 
Taming the sword only Oden tamed hurt Zoro? Making it black when the character Oda wanked to oblivion couldn't do it hurt Zoro?
With how much oden was mentioned when it was used or how much enma being super special in its own right yes imo

While yes zoro has grown stronger and will continue to as he masters it more and more i still think enma is lame. Especially with how much focus it gets
 

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No one cares about enma in real life despite how much oda tries to wank the sword
One of thr big reasons the enma wank hurta zoro instead of hyping him like its supposed to
No amount of "no one cares" is gonna change the fact that people care way too much about Enma that they give it credit for Zoro's accomplishments. You're actually one of those who go out of their way to give it more credit than it actually deserves. Enma is never supposed to hurt Zoro, it's supposed to hype him. It's the people who're desperate to de-hype Zoro that use it to hurt his hype. You don't see the same thing happen to Oden anywhere when it's literally the same sword they both used. It's pretty clear where the problem is when two people use the same weapon and only one of them gets discredited for things he did by himself.
 
With how much oden was mentioned when it was used or how much enma being super special in its own right yes imo

While yes zoro has grown stronger and will continue to as he masters it more and more i still think enma is lame. Especially with how much focus it gets
It was ok because it was Kaido and he has history with it, Oden ptsd. If what you were saying was true then Big Mom would be saying something like "damn that sword is OP, no wonder that kid could cut Kaido". But she just hyped Zoro and not the sword. King would non stop be complaining about how OP it is too but nothing like that happened afaik. Think about it for a sec. Future Zoro opponents who are weaker than the WSC won't be singling it out over his other swords as some magic power but rather hype him/his power etc
 
No amount of "no one cares" is gonna change the fact that people care way too much about Enma that they give it credit for Zoro's accomplishments. You're actually one of those who go out of their way to give it more credit than it actually deserves. Enma is never supposed to hurt Zoro, it's supposed to hype him. It's the people who're desperate to de-hype Zoro that use it to hurt his hype. You don't see the same thing happen to Oden anywhere when it's literally the same sword they both used. It's pretty clear where the problem is when two people use the same weapon and only one of them gets discredited for things he did by himself.
Enma wasn't repeated mention everytime oden did something. Enma was mentioned repeatedly throughout zoro's fights
That's the difference

The problem isn't zoro getting stronger its how much focus oda put onto a sword. Especially if anything if he done the same with wado instead of a completely new sword it wouldn't be nearly as annoying

Wado has emotional significance to zoro and the readers it being the sword he started his journey on and made his promise to both kuina and luffy with. If wado ended up being more special than we originally thought it would feel a lot more natural

Oda giving zoro a whole new sword having its previous user and the weapon itself mentioned and highlighted repeatedly mid fights is annoying. It being more special than wado is annoying. It making zoro stronger than he was with ryumas black blade is eh. Zoro basing his new new forms on enma is lame
The amount oda chose to wank a sword is lame
 
I'm so conflicted with Zoro. It's like, he's cool, calm, and collected, but I don't know for some reason I'm not incredibly fond of him.
Definitely a great character and I acknowledge the fact that he's above Sanji by a considerable margin and will probably be nearly on par with Luffy at the end of the series, but I don't really know his appeal. I like people like Luffy, BB, and Big Mom because they're not just power scaling tools- they have actual goals and motives. Zoro has a goal, but he doesn't have an incredible amount of character besides it. I like him though, definitely a good character, just not incredible.
I think the same way. Zoro fights cool and epic against enemies, but as a character he is extremely boring. It's probably better to some extent than to degrade to an annoying pervert, but I don't care, Zoro is boring
 
Sorry mate but we saw what happened to Punk Hazard Smoker against Law and Doflamingo. We also saw the difference between Alabasta Smoker and W7 Lucci. Smokey is cool though, I really like his character.
Sorry mate but we saw what happened to Punk Hazard Smoker against Law and Doflamingo. We also saw the difference between Alabasta Smoker and W7 Lucci. Smokey is cool though, I really like his character.
You lack understanding of the character. Just wait)
 
I will say however, One Piece's quality isn't consistent throughout its run. Some arcs are significantly better than others. Recent One Piece honestly hasn't been the best. The entire VS Yonko saga was really mid.

And so I get why other manga have been surpassing OP's yearly sales as of recent. Demon Slayer as a whole>>WCI or wano imo.
WCI wasn't that great. I liked some aspects of Wano such as the Roof Top Battle ( them nearly defeating Big Mom in like 2 pages was really funny and incredibly coordinated and cool ) and Zoro's fight with King. Definitely one of the better arcs post TS although it has some clear problems that can not be ignored.
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I think the same way. Zoro fights cool and epic opponents, but as a character he is extremely boring. It's probably better to some extent than to degrade to an annoying pervert, but I don't care, Zoro is boring
Yeah, but I suppose he's not really supposed to have a ton of personality. After all he's practically the only one in the Straw Hat Crew who has a dream based on getting stronger.
 
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