Le Fishe Thread Zoro is better at using his CoC than Luffy

Same as Luffy. So both took 'equal' damage then. Good for me. No argument. :cheers:
but zoro didnt lost 3 times to king before winning so:kayneshrug:
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Lay of the caps lock, son

Idk why you even went on this tangent of responding to me and going in circles with the argument

I agreed that Luffy had plot armor because he is the focus of the story, the MC. But his crew has that same plot armour as him. Nothing ever happens to them.

Just because Luffy lost 3 times and didn't die doesn't mean that Usopp shouldn't have died in Alabasta, half the crew on Skypiea, half of them on Sabaody etc etc

He doesn't have more of it, it's just expressed more often due to the focus put on him.
potentially dying 3 times rather than 1 time is a big difference.
 
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Cruxroux

No. He countered only borobreath and tornado only to be overpowered by even bigger tornado. And Kaidou didn't show everything on the rooftop.
The best on rooftop was two yonkou attack which blocked by Zoro not rubber boy.

Yes, only to be overshadowed by base punch like I said. Ashura is above everything earlier.
He was already knocked out. Took his time , rest , regained his haki and attack. And did you even understand how punches and swords work?
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You should be thankful he was saved. Who would you cheer for if zoro died that early in the series.
Lmao luffy would have died on the first round of rooftop if Zoro wasn't around.
 
but zoro didnt lost 3 times to king before winning so:kayneshrug:
Kaidou >>> King. I mean Sanji also didn't lose and didn't need advanced haki to beat Queen who is <= King. Sanji lost once same as Zoro and got powered up.

Besides, meaning of plot armor is not 'dying' no matter what. It has nothing to do with number of times losing. Mink medicine should give double the damage as a consequence but we didn't even see that consequence. And that is my friend, plot armor. Same as n number of times losing.
 
The best on rooftop was two yonkou attack which blocked by Zoro not rubber boy.
With 30 broken bones for blocking few seconds before getting saved by Law. Dude went on a suicide mission unlike others. Yeah, only feat that is above Luffy nonetheless.

Of course as per your logic, 'plot armor' is so strong, but this is not legit argument just a reference for your 'would have' arguments.

He was already knocked out. Took his time , rest , regained his haki and attack. And did you even understand how punches and swords work?
Yes, I used the same logic you use to put ashura above others. You use scar argument. And I use knock out argument. At the end, Kaidou was unfazed after both sword attack and punch attack. So, there is no special reason to put ashura on a different pedestal. It didn't work like how 'gamma knife' worked for Doflamingo.
 
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Cruxroux

With 30 broken bones for blocking few seconds before getting saved by Law. Dude went on a suicide mission unlike others. Yeah, only feat that is above Luffy nonetheless.
Blocking it for seconds is something very impressive. Other supernova would have Died if Zoro didn't blocked it.
That's probably the strongest attack in the series so far.
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So you agree luffy > zoro, be it due to plot.
Case closed
Oh complete the sentence don't be shy.
Luffy has the thickest plot armour among all the MCs in shounen anime.
Only reason why he will "win" against Zoro not Become stronger than him.
 
Zoro's injuries also carries thru the next arcs
Only in arlong park because it happened in the same day. He didn't carry any injury in subsequent arcs.
Saboady because he took the damage/pain of Luffy. That is why that is lasted longer than what it was when arlong park time.
Luffy got 'serious' damage throughout the preskip only during impel down and marineford and it took long time for him to heal.

Tell me did Zoro carried any 'wound' to the egghead island?
 
locking it for seconds is something very impressive. Other supernova would have Died if Zoro didn't blocked it.
No, 'plot armor' saves them just like it did with Zoro. But that is still good feat.
That's probably the strongest attack in the series so far.
Not even close. Bajrang gun so far. Bajrang gun could destroy the whole onigaishima. Or strongest could be the attacks akainu or aokiji used in PH. It changed the whole environment.
Hakai is just a shockwave attack from two emperors. If that is the strongest attack, then Bigmom ikkoku attack should have half the potency which Kid tanked it.
 
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Cruxroux

No, 'plot armor' saves them just like it did with Zoro. But that is still good feat.

Not even close. Bajrang gun so far. Bajrang gun could destroy the whole onigaishima. Or strongest could be the attacks akainu or aokiji used in PH. It changed the whole environment.
Hakai is just a shockwave attack from two emperors. If that is the strongest attack, then Bigmom ikkoku attack should have half the potency which Kid tanked it.

Hakai was directed towards Supernova not the island. Its clearly as big as the island.
And two yonkou Adcoc attack >> one yonkou adcoc attack. I think this is common sense. What are we even arguing upon. Only reason y'all refuse to accept it is Zoro blocked it for a while.

And kaido and Bigmam were indeed serious with wiping out supernova and they could have if Zoro didn't blocked it. And none of the yonkou showed exhaustion after using that. Luffy went out for a week after that punch.
 
Zoro unlocked his latent CoC and was able to make it flow/coat and leak a few minutes later and ultimately unleashed it on King.

Luffy unlocked his latent CoC 2 years before being able to make it flow and leak and use it to flow/coat on a attack.

"CoC cant be trained it can only grow in battles"

Luffy had a lot sparring with a CoC user Rayleigh
Luffy fought CoC user Don Chinjao
Luffy fought CoC user Doffy
Luffy fought CoC user Katakuri
Luffy fought/clashed CoC user big Mom
Luffy fought/clashed CoC user Kaido

Luffy's Affinity is CoC

Meanwhile, Zoro only fought CoC user Kaido and Big Mom

Luffy had more experience and battles with CoC users and couldn't figure that you can use it to coat your own attacks.

Zoro immediately was able to figure it out maybe because Zoro's affinity is CoA??
or is Zoro better at using haki overall as a pure hakiman??

Zoro always observes in battle (uptime, intent sense, breath of all things, power sense, half blind)
Zoro have the most armament release in the series so far
Zoro figured out the secrets of conquerors in a matter of minutes

As a Jimbei fan, I want a better Hakiman captain for my favorite fishman.

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Good point.

The fact that Zoro could already flow his haki meant that he could use COC coating the moment he unlocked his COC.

Since COC grows with the user, it doesn't matter that Luffy unlocked it preskip.

Zoro has also shown more adcoc release
 
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