Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1072 Spoilers Discussion

[HA001]

The first 3 pages of Luffy vs Lucci:
> Luffy uses G5, his strongest mode. Lucci uses awakening, his strongest mode.
> Luffy dodges some unnamed attacks from Lucci.
> Luffy and Lucci harden their fists, clash equally and send each other flying

The first 3 pages of Zoro vs Kaku:
> Kaku uses his strongest Rankyaku in Base. Zoro wakes up and casually blocks.
> Kaku uses awakening, his strongest mode.
> Kaku uses an upgraded version of his old named attack.
> Zoro hardens his swords and blocks whilst being pushed back.
> Zoro overpowers Kaku and sends him flying.

Summary:
Both Luffy/Lucci and Zoro/Kaku had callbacks. But these callbacks still apply as feats. Base Lucci once clashed equally with Base Luffy. Now Awakened Lucci is able to clash equally with ACoC-less G5 Luffy. After which he got stomped.

Hybrid Kaku once overpowered Zoro using Bigan and sent him flying, inflicting moderate damage. Zoro had to use a named attack that specifically increases his physical strength to overpower Bigan in the past.

Now, Kaku uses his strongest form, Awakening - the exact same form that Lucci now possesses (meaning Kaku's growth rate is confirmed to be faster than Lucci's). He uses an upgraded version of Bigan coated in CoA and Zoro successfully blocks with hardened swords. He then overpowers Awakened Kaku with a nameless attack, sending him flying.

Objectively, Zoro was much more casual against Kaku than Luffy was against Lucci. Zoro used zero named attacks and had much more in reserve than Luffy did. And once Luffy's callback with Lucci was over (which looked much worse for him than Zoro's callback with Kaku), he proceeded to stomp. So to pretend that Oda cheapshotted Kaku via Stussy because Zoro is incapable of stomping Kaku himself is disingenuous.

What did Luffy have in reserve vs Luffy? ACoA, ACoC, higher-end G5 moves. What did Zoro have in reserve? High-release CoA, ACoC, KOH, Asura. Zoro held back more than Luffy and looked better against a Kaku who was using stronger attacks than Lucci was, who really was barely tryna fight Lucci and was mostly aiming for Sentomaru. And in the end, Lucci looked better after the battle than Luffy did lol.

Ultimately, all of this is irrelevant as we all know Luffy and Zoro are capable of shitstomping both Lucci and Kaku. But it is interesting that Oda didn't even have Zoro use any named attacks let alone ACoC, meanwhile Luffy used one of his strongest Gears against a character with the exact same awakened form as the opponent Zoro fought. To Oda, it seems ACoC-less Base Zoro is comparable to ACoC-less G5 Luffy.

Kaku is using Awakening and hardening

 

[Dragon777]

Man reposted Etens spoilers changing one word and was wrong.

I love this site.

Yes, It's rather karmic. That's what you got when you alter the meaning of a word based on an agenda.

 

[Jailer]

Just realized, if Stussy is good, shes definitely going to explain what probably happed to Vivi and Cobra.


Im hoping she also explains the CP0 heirarchy. Is Lucci the leader? Was Guernica? Is there another echelon to this group that we havent seen?

Yeah am interested for the WG hierarchy. And hopefully spills the beans about the relevance of the Holy Knights that were mentioned by Akainu. Are they the Gorosei themselves or are they an entirely different group that acts solely within the WG? Or are they gonma be simply canon fodder? What about the remaining CP0?

 

[Julius]

He fought Zoro coz he knows he's out of Sanji's league because he already owned him.

sure

 

[ConquistadoR]

G5 is an equivalent power up to CoC, so it's completely justified if Zoro used CoC to put Kaku down. Instead, we have the dumbasses mocking Zoro for overpowering Kaku without even using named attacks. This stupidity knows no boundaries.

Atleast King overpowered this version of Zoro (no CoC) but Kaku was the one who got overpowered here lol.

Just contrast King's Tempuraudon being unblockable to Zoro while Kaku's strongest nose pistols being thrashed.

I dont see a single reason rn to place Awakened Zoans over non Awakened ones by default lol.

 

[Julius]

Man reposted Etens spoilers changing one word and was wrong.

I love this site.

Now i can understand @MonsterZoro's bickering against him

 

[Thabeast]

G5 is an equivalent power up to CoC, so it's completely justified if Zoro used CoC to put Kaku down. Instead, we have the dumbasses mocking Zoro for overpowering Kaku without even using named attacks. This stupidity knows no boundaries.

Even if Zoro oneshotted Kaku with acoc, they would say something like "Zoro had to use acoc to defeat Kaku lmao"

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Atleast King overpowered this version of Zoro (no CoC) but Kaku was the one who got overpowered here lol.

Just contrast King's Tempuraudon being unblockable to Zoro while Kaku's strongest nose pistols being thrashed.

I dont see a single reason rn to place Awakened Zoans over non Awakened ones by default lol.

Always said it all depends on how strong the guy is overall. It doesn't matter how many abilities you can tick on a checklist. I can't put into worlds how dumb the checklist scaling is.

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Even if Zoro oneshotted Kaku with acoc, they would say something like "Zoro had to use acoc to defeat Kaku lmao"

Obviously, if Zoro does it, it's not impressive.

 

[BangOO🍅]

Stussy vs Robin

 

[ConquistadoR]

Always said it all depends on how strong the guy is overall. It doesn't matter how many abilities you can tick on a checklist. I can't put into worlds how dumb the checklist scaling is.

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Obviously, if Zoro does it, it's not impressive.

King still has the Strongest Nose Pistol in the manga...

 

[Jailer]

Luffy uses his strongest form Gear 5 and named attacks, while Zoro casually knocks down Awakened Kaku without using any named moves.

Nasty agenda trying to downplay Zoro here.

"Knocks down Kaku"

No wonder MZ slanders your spoilers

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Luffy uses his strongest form Gear 5 and named attacks, while Zoro casually knocks down Awakened Kaku without using any named moves.

Nasty agenda trying to downplay Zoro here.

Cmon man. You know what happened to Jmena.
Don't get your self harassed like him, we all gotta be better from now on.

 

[Meeyori]

Kawamatsu and Kiku are must haves, especially Kiku

Kawamatsu is useless

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Kawamatsu is useless

Kawamatsu is a fucking goat with Advanced Armament, Fishman genes, and he's a Swordsman.
He's one of their most useful fighters.

 

[BangOO🍅]

Stussy need to bite Sanji so he can transform to mythical fiery bird

 

[Goodman Grey]

]
Sanji: So you'll die in the line of duty with One Piece right before our eyes, Marimo-kun...
Nami: You go too! This is also dangerous for our crew, you know?!

Funniest Sanji moment we've had in a while, we need more of this type of humor with him.
I'm excited to see where this fight with the seraphim goes, now we just need Ussop and Nami to find some opponents.

 

[Meeyori]

Kawamatsu is a fucking goat with Advanced Armament, Fishman genes, and he's a Swordsman.
He's one of their most useful fighters.

except he didn’t do anything against anyone or contribute to any plot in Onigashima

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

except he didn’t do anything against anyone or contribute to any plot in Onigashima

Helped them fight Kaidou and protected Hiyori.

 

[BangOO🍅]

except he didn’t do anything against anyone or contribute to any plot in Onigashima

He saved your favourite character life

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yeah am interested for the WG hierarchy. And hopefully spills the beans about the relevance of the Holy Knights that were mentioned by Akainu. Are they the Gorosei themselves or are they an entirely different group that acts solely within the WG? Or are they gonma be simply canon fodder? What about the remaining CP0?

I think, currently, the heirarchy looks something like this:

- Im (Supreme Ruler of the WG and World)
- Gorosei (Top 5 most influential/powerful CD Kings that serve Im directly)
- Kong (WG Commander-in-Chief of all armed forces)
- Then Equally, you have the hypotherical leader of CP0, the leader of the Holy Knights (if they are a powerful group), and the Fleet Admiral of the Marines (Akainu)
- Then their subordinates (rest of Cipher Pol/WG agents, Mariejois Knights, and Marines).

Theres also the person Doffy was talking to, so there could be other roles under Kong or something idk.