Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1072 Spoilers Discussion

Which character is stronger ?

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Herrera95

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HeroesNZ said:
The first 3 pages of Luffy vs Lucci:
> Luffy uses G5, his strongest mode. Lucci uses awakening, his strongest mode.
> Luffy dodges some unnamed attacks from Lucci.
> Luffy and Lucci harden their fists, clash equally and send each other flying

The first 3 pages of Zoro vs Kaku:
> Kaku uses his strongest Rankyaku in Base. Zoro wakes up and casually blocks.
> Kaku uses awakening, his strongest mode.
> Kaku uses an upgraded version of his old named attack.
> Zoro hardens his swords and blocks whilst being pushed back.
> Zoro overpowers Kaku and sends him flying.

Summary:
Both Luffy/Lucci and Zoro/Kaku had callbacks. But these callbacks still apply as feats. Base Lucci once clashed equally with Base Luffy. Now Awakened Lucci is able to clash equally with ACoC-less G5 Luffy. After which he got stomped.

Hybrid Kaku once overpowered Zoro using Bigan and sent him flying, inflicting moderate damage. Zoro had to use a named attack that specifically increases his physical strength to overpower Bigan in the past.

Now, Kaku uses his strongest form, Awakening - the exact same form that Lucci now possesses (meaning Kaku's growth rate is confirmed to be faster than Lucci's). He uses an upgraded version of Bigan coated in CoA and Zoro successfully blocks with hardened swords. He then overpowers Awakened Kaku with a nameless attack, sending him flying.

Objectively, Zoro was much more casual against Kaku than Luffy was against Lucci. Zoro used zero named attacks and had much more in reserve than Luffy did. And once Luffy's callback with Lucci was over (which looked much worse for him than Zoro's callback with Kaku), he proceeded to stomp. So to pretend that Oda cheapshotted Kaku via Stussy because Zoro is incapable of stomping Kaku himself is disingenuous, as I'm sure we all know if Zoro wanted to stomp he absolutely could've by going all-out for one attack. Oda didn't need Luffy to use G5 to have his call-back, he could've done it in Base/G2. Meaning he used G5 because he needed it.

What did Luffy have in reserve vs Luffy? ACoA, ACoC, higher-end G5 moves. What did Zoro have in reserve? Higher-release CoA, ACoC, KOH, Asura. Zoro held back more than Luffy and looked better against a Kaku who was using stronger attacks than Lucci was, who really was barely tryna fight Luffy and was mostly aiming for Sentomaru. And in the end, Lucci looked better after the battle than Luffy did lol.

Ultimately, all of this is irrelevant as we all know Luffy and Zoro are capable of shitstomping both Lucci and Kaku. But it is interesting that Oda didn't even have Zoro use any named attacks let alone ACoC, meanwhile Luffy used one of his strongest Gears against a character with the exact same awakened form as the opponent Zoro fought. To Oda, it seems ACoC-less Base Zoro is comparable to ACoC-less G5 Luffy.
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Almost perfect. But... Zoro looked better. So to Oda ACoCless Zoro > ACoCless G5 Luffy. So Oda here is saying that basic haki > awakening.
 
Ven437

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Can Stussy save the CP0 reputation this time? Will she even count as part of CP0 if she betrays them? I honestly don’t see any other threat left except Kizaru so if she goes toe to toe with Lucci somehow then Luffy fans will have to explain themselves why he had to resort to G5 for a cat that could be handled by the likes of Stussy. :denzimote: Rocks crew hype is REAL.
 
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Thabeast said:
Even if Zoro oneshotted Kaku with acoc, they would say something like "Zoro had to use acoc to defeat Kaku lmao"
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Let's also look at how they manipulate the language:

Lucci is top-tier/crazy impressive/stronger than Kaido/YC1/YC1+ just because he has awakened. But Kaku deserves no respect for having the same power as a similar DF, and he even achieved it in a shorter period of time. What's more, we suddenly started to wonder if the WG has a way to force awaken the DF abilities when the smartest guy in the verse outright confirmed even he's not sure if his DFs could attain awakening.

Lucci is among the greatest fighters because he made Luffy use G5 and matched his attack. But Zoro is a weak sauce for knocking down Kaku and not killing him without using a single named move.

Lucci's got crazy endurance and recovery for waking up from Luffy's attacks but Kaku, who face tanked a laser, withstanding a no-named attack from Zoro means Zoro's attacks are weak.
 
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Ven437 said:
Can Stussy save the CP0 reputation this time? Will she even count as part of CP0 if she betrays them? I honestly don’t see any other threat left except Kizaru so if she goes toe to toe with Lucci somehow then Luffy fans will have to explain themselves why he had to resort to G5 for a cat that could be handled by the likes of Stussy. :denzimote: Rocks crew hype is REAL.
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Stussy is the Lurking Legend Oda was talking about.
 
Gol D. Roger

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Ngl that Lucci part had me ready to beat you to death till I read the rest.
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I was among the top defenders of Luffy when people started slandering him over G5 usage. The issue is the same fucking hypocrites who justified Luffy's performance are mocking Zoro for getting similar results while not using half as many resources.
 
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Aknolagon said:
Yesterday @Adamxero was like "oh zoro and luffy smashed the awakened users" because he saw luffy didn't put down Lucci after one attack so he hyped both of them. Now he is like "zoro failed".

Be like Adam, lol.
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This is just me in trolling mode giving a bit back to the Zoro fans who trolled Luffy fans.

I'm honestly under the belief both Luffy and Zoro would wreck Lucci and Kaku easily.
 
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