Powers & Abilities A ton of people can do Haki blasts (not advanced penetrative Haki)

[Jo_Ndule]

Stop forcing everyone to have Barrier/flow

If Doffy had it, Luffy will comment on it
And will remember Doffy as he did with Sentomaru, boa sisters and Ray

Doffy broke out due to his strings overheating

How does a dude has Flow/barrier & he can't stalemate g4? Cant even showcase it vs g4?

Hancock, Rob Lucci (currently) are the safest to have barrier/flow

Jinbei doesn't have ir

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Proof he does not care for it.
You are trying to contort this more and more to a place never once shown, hinted at and so forth to simply deny the most obvious ability that literally lets you protect from DF attacks.
Once again, does not need to be Haki blast or whatever, it´s irrelevant, normal CoA gives you opportunity to protect against DF attacks, assuming your level is high enough (we can speculate what high level means in the context of CoA, density of the Haki armor, thickness of it and so forth).

Normal CoA doesn't break ice if you don't punch or apply any force on it.
So either it's adv coa or it's not coa at all.
Considering he couldn't move, only options are strings and CoC since he never showed any hints of adv coa during his fights against luffy.
Most likely is he used his own df to counter it which is very easy to picture when you have seen Doffy use it.
I can't see why it's hard to imagine doffy used strings to break the ice.

But I guess giving someone an ability he never showed once after going all out, even using his awakening and getting defeated is better than saying he used a simple ability that he showed on every fucking attacks but I'm the one trying to contort this

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Normal CoA doesn't break ice if you don't punch or apply any force on it.
So either it's adv coa or it's not coa at all.
Considering he couldn't move, only options are strings and CoC since he never showed any hints of adv coa during his fights against luffy.
Most likely is he used his own df to counter it which is very easy to picture when you have seen Doffy use it.
I can't see why it's hard to imagine doffy used strings to break the ice.

But I guess giving someone an ability he never showed once after going all out, even using his awakening and getting defeated is better than saying he used a simple ability that he showed on every fucking attacks but I'm the one trying to contort this

As a DF product, it does, you don´t know how abilities work, but try to confront others, read what Rayleigh said.
Nope.
Nope.

You can try to distract and provoke all you want, CoA is the ability to combat DF abilities, everything else is your own headcanon.
Yep, you are, show me one panel in which he uses strings to protect his body, i will wait.

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

I dont think those blast shockwave attack are haki though. So those flying slash, burgess shockwave, and Jinbe attack are not haki.

Advance CoA is invisible barrier/armor and also can penetrate. So Boa sister and Sentomaru defense is Adv CoA, but Boa Sister Adv CoA are not strong enough. Just like hardening, people can have it, but the level of hardening still different.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

As a DF product, it does, you don´t know how abilities work, but try to confront others, read what Rayleigh said.
Nope.
Nope.

You can try to distract and provoke all you want, CoA is the ability to combat DF abilities, everything else is your own headcanon.
Yep, you are, show me one panel in which he uses strings to protect his body, i will wait.

I didn't say he used it to protect his body but to break the ice. What provocation and what distraction are you talking about?
You don't know how haki and df works applying your own head canon.
Anyway let's just agree to disagree because I am not buying at all what you are trying to sell me and you're not buying what I'm selling either.
We're both stuck on our opinions and at this point we are just going to repeat ourselves.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

I didn't say he used it to protect his body but to break the ice. What provocation and what distraction are you talking about?
You don't know how haki and df works applying your own head canon.
Anyway let's just agree to disagree because I am not buying at all what you are trying to sell me and you're not buying what I'm selling either.
We're both stuck on our opinions and at this point we are just going to repeat ourselves.

Breaking was already addressed, how are you break "freezing" below surface?
Distraction? Talking about him losing, same as provocation, which has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Rayleigh states "countermeasure against DF abilities and users" = fact.
DD states "you can´t do anything with your slashes to Vergo´s CoA" to Law = fact.
You have Admirals completely repelling a DF attack from Whitebeard with CoA = fact.
And then we have you applying an ability never shown, it´s clear where the headcanon comes from.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Breaking was already addressed, how are you break "freezing" below surface?
Distraction? Talking about him losing, same as provocation, which has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Rayleigh states "countermeasure against DF abilities and users" = fact.
DD states "you can´t do anything with your slashes to Vergo´s CoA" to Law = fact.
You have Admirals completely repelling a DF attack from Whitebeard with CoA = fact.
And then we have you applying an ability never shown, it´s clear where the headcanon comes from.

Did WB need haki to counter/block Akainu magma?
You dont need haki to always counter something when your df has possibilities.

Fire counters Ice
Doffy can overheat his strings...his strings are strong enough to cut Ice or meteors

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Did WB need haki to counter/block Akainu magma?
You dont need haki to always counter something when your df has possibilities.

Fire counters Ice
Doffy can overheat his strings...his strings are strong enough to cut Ice or meteors

No, he used it his DF, which was clearly shown.
Never said that.

That was only in the anime, overheat was later corrected to a different name.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Breaking was already addressed, how are you break "freezing" below surface?
Distraction? Talking about him losing, same as provocation, which has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Rayleigh states "countermeasure against DF abilities and users" = fact.
DD states "you can´t do anything with your slashes to Vergo´s CoA" to Law = fact.
You have Admirals completely repelling a DF attack from Whitebeard with CoA = fact.
And then we have you applying an ability never shown, it´s clear where the headcanon comes from.

Dude he never used adv coa and you're saying he did but again I'm the one giving him ability never shown when he used strings every time.
And again, below what surface? The strings come from his body, the ice is on his body, just by using his ability he destroys them. Simple to understand.
Saying he lost just meant he went all out, if he had something else up his sleeve like adv CoA he would have used it or is he just a moron?
And not only haki can counter df abilities, water counters croc intangibility, sanji diable Jambe broke pero's candy, akainu magma burnt ace's fire, Ace countered aokiji ice.

Why is it so hard to believe doffy strings could break ice and so easy to give him adv CoA when he never displayed it on panel?

 

[Finalbeta]

Rokuogan =/= Haki

Just saying

Tho Lucci's Rokuogan is so powerful it can be mistaken for an haki technique lmao

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Dude he never used adv coa and you're saying he did but again I'm the one giving him ability never shown when he used strings every time.
And again, below what surface? The strings come from his body, the ice is on his body, just by using his ability he destroys them. Simple to understand.
Saying he lost just meant he went all out, if he had something else up his sleeve like adv CoA he would have used it or is he just a moron?
And not only haki can counter df abilities, water counters croc intangibility, sanji diable Jambe broke pero's candy, akainu magma burnt ace's fire, Ace countered aokiji ice.

Why is it so hard to believe doffy strings could break ice and so easy to give him adv CoA when he never displayed it on panel?

Jesus christ, it´s really hard to argue with people who can´t read.
When have i claimed he used advanced CoA? Give me one post, i will wait.
Statement was, he was not frozen to the heart, not frozen only on the surface.
Yep, has nothing to do with advanced CoA though, already stated thousand times.

Yep, you have direct counters, where is DD´s heat.

Never the topic. Normal CoA can protect you from DFs, Hardening can (hence Vergo vs Law), and barrier can as well.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Jesus christ, it´s really hard to argue with people who can´t read.
When have i claimed he used advanced CoA? Give me one post, i will wait.
Statement was, he was not frozen to the heart, not frozen only on the surface.
Yep, has nothing to do with advanced CoA though, already stated thousand times.

Yep, you have direct counters, where is DD´s heat.

Never the topic. Normal CoA can protect you from DFs, Hardening can (hence Vergo vs Law), and barrier can as well.

Normal CoA wouldn't break the ice once frozen. That's what I've been saying. So either it's adv CoA or it's not CoA.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Normal CoA wouldn't break the ice once frozen. That's what I've been saying. So either it's adv CoA or it's not CoA.

What is this based on?

 

[Luffy is the mc]

What is this based on?

Explained by hyogurou when he talked about the different level of haki.
Let's just say you have a tree in front of you and you just place your hands on that wall and coat them with normal CoA without applying any force, what would happen? Nothing.
Now same thing but you use adv coa, what would happen? The tree gets destroyed without contact.

Normal CoA requires force to break things, to deal damage.

 

[Geo]

I think a ton of people can do Haki blasts, like Hyogoro. It's just a different type of CoA. This doesn't mean that their hardening (koka) is super strong. That's a different category. It's just they can make Haki flow.

From pre-TS I think Sentomaru, CP9 and Boa's sisters can all do it. Out of Shichibukai, at least half of them can do it. I think Mihawk, Doffy, Hancock can do it, maybe even Kuma and Jinbe. Out of the commanders Burgess can do it and so can Sabo.

I think how Doffy broke out of Aokiji's ice is by blasting Haki. There is 0 other explanation. He showed this when he cut Dressrosa castle by air pressure (people wrongly attribute it to strings. There were no strings there. Just pure air pressure), just like Cp0:

And if Boa's sister has it, so does Hancock

And I wouldn't be surprised if Jinbe can somehow transfer Haki through his fishman Karate

Even Burgess seems to be imbuing Haki in his shots

All Haki blasts are are imbuing Haki in a projectile manner. Zoro can probably already do this.

Most of these are shockwaves not haki blast/haki flow.

Also to the haki point. Flow and penetration are advanced haki techniques. The latter is a more advanced technique than the former. Non of them implies your haki itself is stronger than someone who doesn't use these techniques.

Again most of the panels you posted are just people using shockwave attacks

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Explained by hyogurou when he talked about the different level of haki.
Let's just say you have a tree in front of you and you just place your hands on that wall and coat them with normal CoA without applying any force, what would happen? Nothing.
Now same thing but you use adv coa, what would happen? The tree gets destroyed without contact.

Normal CoA requires force to break things, to deal damage.

You are mixing up a lot of different concepts.
There is CoA (invisible), next step is Hardening, next step is Barrier, meaning you literally create a barrier outside of your body with CoA, next step is advanced CoA, meaning the penetrating CoA which is the flowing thing, which Hyo states is vastly superior to the barrier CoA he showed Luffy.
You do not need advanced CoA to protect yourself from DF attacks, never stated, never will.
Barrier in itself also does not hurt whatever you want to hurt, you attack with it, does not change that it can and was used to protect against DF attacks. When Sandersonia blocks Luffy´s attack pre-TS with barrier, a DF attack (since he is DF rubber), it bounces off, but it did not hurt him.
Sentoumaru used barrier Haki to simultaneously protect himself and attack, hence why he did the Sumo motion.
Admirals used barrier to completely repel WB´s shockwave that traveled the entire plaza, but it completely dissipated.
Shanks protected his sword against Akainu´s magma, hence why the magma could not advance through the barrier, and it escapes to the side. (and there is a scene that is ambiguous with Marco, could both be barrier or the force of his attack).
CoA has a property that directly combats DF products, meaning attacks or substances created with DF abilities, hence why you can also attack real body of DF users with it, or it lets you protect yourself from DF attacks if you cover your body with it, and that holds true to any form of CoA, once assuming the level is high enough. Hence why DD thought Law could not cut Vergo, since his Haki is supposedly high level, but he underestimated Law and that´s how it turned out. This does not negate the general possibility though.
To be honest, barrier Haki only makes sense if you want to protect something that is big in size (can be yourself, or something/someone behind you), or used to attack a big opponent.

You are still simply judging ice as a physical entity that needs to get broken physically, but not as a DF product that can dissipate when touched with CoA.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Did you see strings?
How is he removing ice below surface with strings?

If he wasn't flash frozen, then his strings could still be at work. This man can perform surgery on his own insides. You wouldn't see the strings work from outside. Depending on the translation Buffalo mentions him not being frozen to the core or his heart .

So in any case, the only indication we have of anything that happens is physical, not Haki related.

 

[Geo]

It is obvious DD countered Aokiji's attack with haki. That's the reason he wasn't completely frozen.
Don't know how this is so complicated

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Lmao my man is calling Rankyaku "Air Slash" a Haki blast.

Zoro be throwing Haki blasts since Skypea

 

[sanjikun]

It is obvious DD countered Aokiji's attack with haki. That's the reason he wasn't completely frozen.
Don't know how this is so complicated

I've seen all sorts of nonsense with respect to this. Rayleigh specifically mentioned this. It's the ONLY method of countering DFs, unless you take advantage of their individual weakness.

That attack was super strong. It stopped Doffy killing Smoker in an instant, and the AoE was massive. It's not a superficial layer of ice.

If Doffy could casually break out of it, it would have never stopped him in the first place.

Tho Lucci's Rokuogan is so powerful it can be mistaken for an haki technique lmao

I just find it hard to believe this is not Haki, especially knowing what we know

(1) Rubber doesn't bleed

(2) Lucci had Haki "related to Rokushiki"