Powers & Abilities A ton of people can do Haki blasts (not advanced penetrative Haki)

[Jo_Ndule]

I've seen all sorts of nonsense with respect to this. Rayleigh specifically mentioned this. It's the ONLY method of countering DFs, unless you take advantage of their individual weakness.

That attack was super strong. It stopped Doffy killing Smoker in an instant, and the AoE was massive. It's not a superficial layer of ice.

If Doffy could casually break out of it, it would have never stopped him in the first place.



I just find it hard to believe this is not Haki, especially knowing what we know

(1) Rubber doesn't bleed

(2) Lucci had Haki "related to Rokushiki"

Still waiting for Doffy using flow/barrier
Yet Luffy doesnt notice it when fighting him nor remember him as one of the users

Headcanon

 

[sanjikun]

Doffy can overheat his strings...his strings are strong enough to cut Ice or meteors

What strings... He's not a logia. He was frozen stiff like a popsicle, and his entire body broke out everywhere...

Like Rayleigh said, unless you counter their DF directly, the only way you can counter DFs is through Haki.

Heat melts ice. It doesn't shatter it. Doffy broke through it.

 

[sanjikun]

Still waiting for Doffy using flow/barrier
Yet Luffy doesnt notice it when fighting him nor remember him as one of the users

Headcanon

Because everyone and their mother has used it... Boa Sandersonia used it, and he didn't mention it.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Because everyone and their mother has used it... Boa Sandersonia used it, and he didn't mention it.

Since timeskip started
Luffy remembers users of X skill :
Remembered Duffy when Kata used Awakening
Remember Sentomaru Ray when talking about Flow/barrier

Only remembered Ray as Advanced CoA haki user

Unlike boa sisters
Nobody or no one points at Doffy gaving barrier/flow
He doesn't even boast about him having it nor does he use it.

You are just reaching hard

 

[Uncle Van]

There's not the slightest bit of evidence nor any reason whatsoever to think Mingo had ACOA of any kind....he broke out of ice cause not only wasnt he frozen to the core, his body is made of sharp strings he can control mentally....

Mingo didn't use it once in DR and had his haki matched by Luffy time and time again....if Mingo had ACOA, then it's very weak and unimpressive....

 

[Zenos7]

Interesting idea, especially haki flow to be a different sub-category than hardening.

i can see rokuougan to be haki flow because iirc it was confirmed that some rokushiki techniques are haki?

Not sure about burgess as the panel you shared has him use this supposed haki blast but not hitting sabos real body. this can only be a haki blast if sabo has CoO good enough to shapeshift in time before the attack, and im not sure he had that much control over his devil fruit already, but im not ruling it out.

 

[Enma]

Why does people saying that Rokushiki = Haki? If i remember, it was said that training in Rokushiki is similar to training in Haki. Nothing about that Rokushiki = Haki.

 

[Zenos7]

Why does people saying that Rokushiki = Haki? If i remember, it was said that training in Rokushiki is similar to training in Haki. Nothing about that Rokushiki = Haki.

Hm its something i've seen people throw around, im not exactly sure where it comes from though.

 

[Garps tekkai]

I've seen all sorts of nonsense with respect to this. Rayleigh specifically mentioned this. It's the ONLY method of countering DFs, unless you take advantage of their individual weakness.

That attack was super strong. It stopped Doffy killing Smoker in an instant, and the AoE was massive. It's not a superficial layer of ice.

If Doffy could casually break out of it, it would have never stopped him in the first place.

It was definitely haki. Don't know how you could argue other way.

But I'm not very inclined to believe that it is advanced CoA/barrier haki in Doffy's case. In order to create that barrier, chars are gathering a certain amount of haki from around their bodies, some more, some less and they then proceed to shoot it out from the area where they've channeled it into (basically an outburst of a focused amount of haki).
I think a full body "barrier" move (if you want to call it that) can happen, but you can't explain it via the known "advanced CoA/haki flow"- concept, cause for a fully body haki tech, you simply don't need to let any haki flow.
It would rather say that he either turned on a full body haki cloat (the pre stage of fully body hardening) and that this haki release was, what repelled Aokiji's ice or that he used CoC, which actually can create a very powerful sphere aound its user and which would definitely be able to get the job done.
If it would be the latter tho, it could mean (for now), that you need CoC in order to tackle Aokiji's df, which is imo not a very sustainable claim to say the least (and the visuals are far too unspectacular for that)
So I'd go with that full body haki cloak thing, same thing that is expected to be the "force"/"quirk" that grants BM her superb "natural" durability.

Edit: Should have been aimed at your opening post, but you prolly knew what I meant. And that scene is one of those, that show how great Doffy's and Luffy's CoA defense game is. I'm still waiting for anyone bar them and Kuri to show any sorts of that.

 

[sanjikun]

Remembered Duffy when Kata used Awakening

Doflamingo was the only person ever to use awakening as a paramecia. That's why he mentioned it. He didn't say "Rayleigh and Sentomaru". He said "I've seen it done before" with no names. Oda just picked 2 people for the flashback, for Haki flow. He's not going to show 100.

And remember Luffy did not even understand the difference between regular flow and penetration Haki. He did not fully understand what was going on either.

There's not the slightest bit of evidence nor any reason whatsoever to think Mingo had ACOA of any kind....

You are right. Hence, the title of the thread. Flow is not "advanced" like FS, when Sentomaru and Sandersonia are using it.

he broke out of ice cause not only wasnt he frozen to the core, his body is made of sharp strings he can control mentally....

None of that made any sense whatsoever (his body is not made out of strings). You're just throwing around buzzwords, hoping something sticks to the wall.

i can see rokuougan to be haki flow because iirc it was confirmed that some rokushiki techniques are haki?

The Vivre Cards were corrected to "Haki related to Rokushiki". So Rokushiki makes use of Haki.

Worth noting that Oden specifically said Roger and Whitebeard were "not even touching".

 

[Sentinel]

I worry about your lack of reading comprehension and (scanlationism).

If you are worried about something like that, I'm just glad I don't have to worry about my reading comprehension.
Hence your notion can be easily ignored.

"Ryou" is Haki.

Ryuo is Haki flow; the Wano samurai understand Haki/Ryuo as flowing haki which is advanced CoA.

And you say I lack of reading comprehension? Nice fanfiction.

It's like "Mantra" in Skypeia.

Wrong.

As for Aokiji, that was some crappy mistranslation about "his heart" which is an expression in Japanese.

Doesn't really matter when the initial point was that Doflamingo's body wasn't completely frozen.

Yes, Buffalo thought that Aokiji completely froze him but when Doflamingo broke out of the ice, he commented that Doflamingo was not completely frozen. That's clearly an indication that Doflamingo had it easier to break out of the ice than normally.

That attack was powerful enough to stop Doflamingo? Yes.
Did Kuzan freeze an entire area instantaneous? Yes.
However, nothing indicates that this attack completely froze Doflamingo since 1.) it was just an AoE attack in which Aokiji was as casual as possible and 2.) Aokiji simply intented to stop Doflamingo by killing Smoker and not to kill him.
If Doflamingo was completely frozen, how do you think was Doflamingo able to use haki flow in the first place? Wouldn't Jozu simply use his own haki to break that ice as well? And yes, basic invisible CoA would be enough to cover your entire body with haki.

Nothing - literally nothing - indicates that Doflamingo used haki flow (advanced CoA) at this moment. Keep trying, though.

Athlete doesn't cover the entire castle. Athlete follows the motion of his leg.

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You cannot tell the length of the strings but we know for a fact that Doflamingo can easily spread his strings kilometers away in a blink of a second.

And as for the part whether we can see strings or not; that's Doflamingo when he used strings on the clouds to fly:

Spoiler

And dude, Doflamingo has NO air slash techniques in which you can say, his kick just cleanly cut through these 3 towers with the air pressure - Doflamingo doesn't have something like this and nor it is comparable to the Rokushiki, not at all.
The cut was simply too clean to suggest it was a shockwave which cut through the towers.

I was actually reminded of this technique by reading the Wikia.

Nah, that's a big mistake mate, lol.

 

[Sentinel]

Because everyone and their mother has used it... Boa Sandersonia used it, and he didn't mention it.

Yep, and all these characters demonstrated this level of haki in which we can easily say that they have it even if Luffy did not mention them.

Doflamingo on the other hand did not demonstrate jack shit. He had the opportunities - but there was nothing. You only have a single instance in which DD broke out of Aokiji's ice but that's simply too vague to be considered advanced CoA, hence irrelevant.

 

[sanjikun]

Yep, and all these characters demonstrated this level of haki in which we can easily say that they have it even if Luffy did not mention them.

Doflamingo on the other hand did not demonstrate jack shit. He had the opportunities - but there was nothing. You only have a single instance in which DD broke out of Aokiji's ice but that's simply too vague to be considered advanced CoA, hence irrelevant.

Your arguments are essentially Aokiji is holding back when his attack was strong enough to stop Doffy dead in his tracks and freeze an entire section of the island PLUS there are invisible strings everywhere, where there is no need for his strings to be "kilometers" long. Why would his strings cover acres of land, when he was just trying to decapitate 1 guy? That makes 0 sense and is factually wrong.

Rayleigh specifically mentioned the only way to counter DFs is Haki, unless you take advantage of their weaknesses. That is fact and canon.

 

[sanjikun]

Ryuo is Haki flow

Lmfao what are you going on about?

They have no word for "Haki". No one in Wano knows what "Haki" is. This is literally mantra all over.

the Wano samurai understand Haki/Ryuo as flowing haki which is advanced CoA.

hahahaha. Read the manga bro. Oden was shocked when they were doing that.

Oden was probably the only Samurai to have penetration Haki, and he learned it OUTSIDE of Wano.

 

[RYNO]

I've seen all sorts of nonsense with respect to this. Rayleigh specifically mentioned this. It's the ONLY method of countering DFs, unless you take advantage of their individual weakness.

That attack was super strong. It stopped Doffy killing Smoker in an instant, and the AoE was massive. It's not a superficial layer of ice.

If Doffy could casually break out of it, it would have never stopped him in the first place.



I just find it hard to believe this is not Haki, especially knowing what we know

(1) Rubber doesn't bleed

(2) Lucci had Haki "related to Rokushiki"

luffy isn't made out of rubber he has the properties of rubber he still made of flesh and bone, the Rokuogan is a shock wave that's why it could effect luffy.

 

[sanjikun]

luffy isn't made out of rubber he has the properties of rubber he still made of flesh and bone, the Rokuogan is a shock wave that's why it could effect luffy.

Crocodile in the panel you're quoting "But he's made out of rubber."

You:

luffy isn't made out of rubber

 

[RYNO]

Crocodile in the panel you're quoting "But he's made out of rubber."

You:

Oda like certain things be short and simple he woulnt have a character say " but his body has the properties of rubber" luffy has shown his body burns like a human and rubber losses it's elasticity when it heated up but we see luffy is not effected, luffy basically has a normal body can bend and stretch like rubber and still can be treated like a normal human by a doctor and body acts ike normal body when his cold (shivers).

 

[Sentinel]

Lmfao what are you going on about?

Read this.

Oden was shocked when they were doing that.

It is because their CoA was more advanced than Oden's, not that Oden did not have haki flow either.

Transfering haki on your sword is exactly haki flow and guess what? The strongest Wano samurais are able to do this as well. It's literally BOAT:

Spoiler

hahahaha. Read the manga bro. You just were completely debunked and embarassed on this discussion.