Controversial Stop Making ONE PIECE Political!
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30 years ago men could slap women if the dinner was cold and got away with slap on the wrist from police
Women generally 30 years ago didnt have as much of a voice or power to combat certain things as they have now
I get yo point, i agree with it, too many soyboys today... but if a man did to my sister what Sanji does to women in OP i would break his knees
Women generally 30 years ago didnt have as much of a voice or power to combat certain things as they have now
I get yo point, i agree with it, too many soyboys today... but if a man did to my sister what Sanji does to women in OP i would break his knees
Dude, I'm not far left at all, I'm what we call a simple leftist. At my left there are a LOT of currents of ideas. I'm the entry point of the spectrum. You are no leftist, you are in the right spectrum, all the ideas you have depicted are coming from the right and confusionnist background. But yeah, we do disagree.
Dbz is ALSO political, even tho its politic is condensed into little choices of characters. Dbz doesn't escape this fact. One of the big political take of DBZ for example is that with enough strenght you can beat any evil and that it is your responsibility to do so.
Of course all story having a political state do not mean every story are very different, in fact most stories are recycling pretty much the same political vision of life. Its very rare for a story to bring something new to the table.
No, they just disagree.
Not necessaraly.
You forgot that sometimes when you write a story, you mgith not be aware of all the context and value putting in your story. For example, Oda is a clear leftist at least is the old way leftist were, but the concept of will, the power to change, by will and the concept of the individual savior and the way Oda depict women are right wing mythos. (the bath scene was a clear depiction of problematic behavior, Oda went too far there)
If a story is not political, it's not a story, it's an experience of thoughts. A story, a real one, needs to deliver a clear vision on how to act on life. That is what is political. If a story doesn't have that, it doesn't work.
There is no such things as neutral stories.
It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Anyone with a bit of political knowledge would understand that.
Well, come into reality mate, you are missing some stuff.
Indeed, hence why stories are so important. Because they can bring you to understand another political vision of life.
No, it actually shows that I'm right mate.
Yes I do, but to understand that, you would need to understand how storytelling works.
Actually it's more "leaning" toward the left. It has some rightwing value that are inherant of the support. THe manga and mangaka are yes, leftists.
Indeed, but you always need to replace a story into a context.
Damn.. are we sure about that ?
Wow, what can I reply to such a wise statement?
Careful, you forgot words there. It's not just "vision" its "vision on how to act in society" THIS is political. "vision" alone is not.
Little exercice. Did you already watch Star Trek ? (the original story) Well.. this Star Trek serie is one of the most sexist thing you will be able to see in streaming service nowaday... STILL it holds up.
Why ?
Because the story was well told and because behind the sexist curtain, there are actual progressive views. You see Star Trek was progressive at the time, that's why you need to put a story in context.
A story, even with political effy ideas like the sexism depicted in it, can actually hold just because of the story or the direction or the characters etc.
The thing you are forgetting also, is that storytellers tends to be progressive. So they will often depict a better world or a world with less social issue. Even in the case were they depict a post apocalyptic words.
Still, there political idea are all over the place. The way they see criminal is a good example of that.
You are derivating on another subject to avoid the debate here.
We are not talking about characters being liked because of the political section, we are talking about the way stories are constructed and their inherent political content.
ALso, myth can evolve mate
No mate.
But you should go beyond google to understand words. It could help you understand the core meanings of a word.. because here, you just look like you can't go deeper.
Sure.
"stop making One Piece political" was who's sentence here ?
Yeah.. yours. I'm sorry, but it look like I'm not the one with a big missconception of reality.
Dbz is ALSO political, even tho its politic is condensed into little choices of characters. Dbz doesn't escape this fact. One of the big political take of DBZ for example is that with enough strenght you can beat any evil and that it is your responsibility to do so.
Of course all story having a political state do not mean every story are very different, in fact most stories are recycling pretty much the same political vision of life. Its very rare for a story to bring something new to the table.
No, they just disagree.
Not necessaraly.
You forgot that sometimes when you write a story, you mgith not be aware of all the context and value putting in your story. For example, Oda is a clear leftist at least is the old way leftist were, but the concept of will, the power to change, by will and the concept of the individual savior and the way Oda depict women are right wing mythos. (the bath scene was a clear depiction of problematic behavior, Oda went too far there)
If a story is not political, it's not a story, it's an experience of thoughts. A story, a real one, needs to deliver a clear vision on how to act on life. That is what is political. If a story doesn't have that, it doesn't work.
There is no such things as neutral stories.
It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Anyone with a bit of political knowledge would understand that.
Well, come into reality mate, you are missing some stuff.
Indeed, hence why stories are so important. Because they can bring you to understand another political vision of life.
No, it actually shows that I'm right mate.
Yes I do, but to understand that, you would need to understand how storytelling works.
Actually it's more "leaning" toward the left. It has some rightwing value that are inherant of the support. THe manga and mangaka are yes, leftists.
Indeed, but you always need to replace a story into a context.
Damn.. are we sure about that ?
Wow, what can I reply to such a wise statement?
Careful, you forgot words there. It's not just "vision" its "vision on how to act in society" THIS is political. "vision" alone is not.
Little exercice. Did you already watch Star Trek ? (the original story) Well.. this Star Trek serie is one of the most sexist thing you will be able to see in streaming service nowaday... STILL it holds up.
Why ?
Because the story was well told and because behind the sexist curtain, there are actual progressive views. You see Star Trek was progressive at the time, that's why you need to put a story in context.
A story, even with political effy ideas like the sexism depicted in it, can actually hold just because of the story or the direction or the characters etc.
The thing you are forgetting also, is that storytellers tends to be progressive. So they will often depict a better world or a world with less social issue. Even in the case were they depict a post apocalyptic words.
Still, there political idea are all over the place. The way they see criminal is a good example of that.
You are derivating on another subject to avoid the debate here.
We are not talking about characters being liked because of the political section, we are talking about the way stories are constructed and their inherent political content.
ALso, myth can evolve mate
No mate.
But you should go beyond google to understand words. It could help you understand the core meanings of a word.. because here, you just look like you can't go deeper.
Sure.
"stop making One Piece political" was who's sentence here ?
Yeah.. yours. I'm sorry, but it look like I'm not the one with a big missconception of reality.
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It has been nice to know you. Just wanted to tell you this before the hardcore Sanji fans will get you 
I never said, I was a leftist
I said im center left
Meaning im a centrist who leans more towards the left
this would be self evident to you if you paid attention to my views
I am pro abortion,pro trans and gay
this was the case even as far back as Oct 28, 2022
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...various-left-wing-policies-and-beliefs.33641/
that's not related to politics and even then, The thing being
Goku was never about defeating evil
he tries sparring evil people
all the time
-lord Freeza
-moro, the planet eater
- piccolo jr
- prince vegeta
He even wished kid buu would come back as a good person
hence how uub was born
did you even watch the show?
So the christan right wing fundamentalist who think leftists are satan worshipping baby eaters. Are not stupid?
The space lizards run the government, Are you sure some people arent just stupid
Because, there are people who do actually believe that
never said that
the myths were told by camp fire stories and spread by word of mouth
so of course they can change and evolve infact they have throughout
however the constants have remained across media regardless of people's independent vision meaning that's not the sole factor in why a story gets told or even repeated
again, your not able to address these points regarding your belief
There's little objective reality to a word beyond it's definition
and even then, language is for communication purposes
if everyone knows z sound as meaning x thing then it does because pragmatically it's most effective in getting across what your trying to say
there's tons
I gave many examples in this very thread
No never have
Exactly
so the narrative or story can be enjoyed separate to the politics thereof
Which is exactly, What i was saying to you before
you kinda disproven yourself if everyone is poltitical, why list the story as something of note separate to the politics
If everything is the result of the politics then wouldt the story also be politics just following your own internal logic
she's a girl
I said im center left
Meaning im a centrist who leans more towards the left
this would be self evident to you if you paid attention to my views
I am pro abortion,pro trans and gay
this was the case even as far back as Oct 28, 2022
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...various-left-wing-policies-and-beliefs.33641/
that's not related to politics and even then, The thing being
Goku was never about defeating evil
he tries sparring evil people
all the time
-lord Freeza
-moro, the planet eater
- piccolo jr
- prince vegeta
He even wished kid buu would come back as a good person
hence how uub was born
did you even watch the show?
So the christan right wing fundamentalist who think leftists are satan worshipping baby eaters. Are not stupid?
The space lizards run the government, Are you sure some people arent just stupid
Because, there are people who do actually believe that
never said that
the myths were told by camp fire stories and spread by word of mouth
so of course they can change and evolve infact they have throughout
however the constants have remained across media regardless of people's independent vision meaning that's not the sole factor in why a story gets told or even repeated
again, your not able to address these points regarding your belief
There's little objective reality to a word beyond it's definition
and even then, language is for communication purposes
if everyone knows z sound as meaning x thing then it does because pragmatically it's most effective in getting across what your trying to say
there's tons
I gave many examples in this very thread
No never have
Exactly
so the narrative or story can be enjoyed separate to the politics thereof
Which is exactly, What i was saying to you before
you kinda disproven yourself if everyone is poltitical, why list the story as something of note separate to the politics
If everything is the result of the politics then wouldt the story also be politics just following your own internal logic
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she's a girl
And you see that as a good thing??
This actually happened irl in my elementary school.
The teachers definitely didn't see it as a joke, half of the boys got punished. I guess you would've been among those girls who entered nonstop screaming mode and acting like it's fun every time a boy even slams against the door from outside to get a reaction.
This kind of experience in childhood shapes both men and women more than you might think.
When such transgressions are left unaddressed girls are conditioned to see it as normal when men constantly intrude their private space and end up with stockholm syndrome and men are conditioned to think that they can get away with everything.
This actually happened irl in my elementary school.
The teachers definitely didn't see it as a joke, half of the boys got punished. I guess you would've been among those girls who entered nonstop screaming mode and acting like it's fun every time a boy even slams against the door from outside to get a reaction.
This kind of experience in childhood shapes both men and women more than you might think.
When such transgressions are left unaddressed girls are conditioned to see it as normal when men constantly intrude their private space and end up with stockholm syndrome and men are conditioned to think that they can get away with everything.