Character Discussion Wings of the Pirate King

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Mommy Fubuki!
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#61
#61
Infitima said:
The first, I will steal from @Warchief Sanji D Goat as I never noticed, and am now adding it to the list. If Gaban is 2-in1 both Navigator and Helmsman (Jimbei and Nami) then it only gives more support to Rayleigh being both Zoro and Sanji. Thanks for that, Goat.
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Hey, I wasn't trying to support any sides in this argument but I'm glad that I can be of help.:handsup:
 
Infitima

Infitima

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#63
#63
Infitima said:
Had to get unlazy and switch from mobile to desktop for this, so I'm only stating it once. If you give me one-liner responses back, troll, or take it not seriously at all, we are done and we just agree to disagree and walk off.

I believe Rayleigh to be Zoro and Sanji in one, due to many factors. The first, I will steal from @Warchief Sanji D Goat as I never noticed, and am now adding it to the list. If Gaban is 2-in1 both Navigator and Helmsman (Jimbei and Nami) then it only gives more support to Rayleigh being both Zoro and Sanji. Thanks for that, Goat.

I guess for starters we'll go with the simple superficial stuff you don't want to hear.

Appearance:
If you take both Zoro and Sanji and overlay them to younger Rayleigh, you get Rayleigh. Blonde and Goatee (Sanji) Scar and facial construction (Zoro). Except not completely, because Zoro's scar is on the opposite eye, the eye that Sanji shows now, while Rayleigh's scar is on the eye that Sanji hides. Oda will not explain to us why he flipped Sanji's hair, he acted like it was a mistake to in joke to get away from the question.

But that's not all. If you look at panels of Rayleigh, in side profile when he yells at Shanks and Buggy, his expressions are more like Sanji's, the way Oda draws his grimaces, glares, and teeth. IN SIDE PROFILE. From the front, he has the smiles, expressions, of Zoro. Mirroring both of them. You may not think this is a big deal, but Oda draws both Zoro and Sanji's expressions just different enough to carry their personalities. They do not have the same grimaces, glares, and teeth style in side view so as to differentiate their designs. But Rayleigh has both.

His clothes, likewise are always both formal and casual, like he's a mix of two styles. A rogue and a Gentleman.

Paneling:
Like Rayleigh carries their expressions in panels. We also pay attention to paneling and symbolism. When Rayleigh is in panels before timeskip, it is most always Sanji and Zoro toegether speaking to him, if not in the same panel, side by side panels. We hardly ever see just one of them speak to him except after timeskip. Even the famous CoC scene has them side by side.

Strengths and Weakness:
I always say Zoro and Sanji compliment each other, speed and strength, strategy and reactionary, wits and bruteforce, etc.
Rayleigh has both. Rayleigh does both martial arts and swordsmanship. Rayleigh is both a planner, and a frontman. Both impulsive, and calculating. Both wits, and bruteforce, well-rounded in speed and strength.

Rayleigh came up with 3D2Y plan. Sanji comes up with most plans and last minute saves. Oh, but you'll say Zoro came up with the X-Mark plan, and yes he did, but it was also surprised amongst the crew that he did. For Rayleigh, it was just accepted that he would come up with such, no surprise. For the 3D2Y plan, Zoro was the last to understand the plan and was called dense by Rayleigh when Luffy asked if they'd get it. However, Rayleigh has had clueless moments as well, once again, showcasing both Sanji's wits, and Zoro's bruteness.

Vices:
Womanzing, Gambling and Drinking, both Sanji and Zoro.

General presence and importance. Luffy is supposed to surpass Roger's crew. He does that by having the best of what Roger had in more than one person. Instead of having one right-hand man he trusted with the world like Roger and Rayleigh, he has his wings in Sanji and Zoro to back him up. Instead of having the genius of just Gaban if he is helmsman and navigator, he instead has Nami and Jimbei being the geniuses of their craft.
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^Another thing I forgot to add under presence and importance. Thrillerbark. While Zoro did the deed, it wasn't just Zoro who offered. It was both Zoro and Sanji stepping up to do it, and Brook later saying they had the same resolve. Once again, instead of one-right-hand being important, it's the two, the wings to be the support.
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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#64
#64
Infitima said:
^Another thing I forgot to add under presence and importance. Thrillerbark. While Zoro did the deed, it wasn't just Zoro who offered. It was both Zoro and Sanji stepping up to do it, and Brook later saying they had the same resolve. Once again, instead of one-right-hand
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Proper scummy leeches.
Sanji would die doing that. He hasn't got the same anything which is why when zoro was fighting yonko he was getting beat up by fodder

You see sanji here ? Cause I don't
 
Infitima

Infitima

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#65
#65
HA001 OF THE RAIN said:
Proper scummy leeches.
Sanji would die doing that. He hasn't got the same anything which is why when zoro was fighting yonko he was getting beat up by fodder

You see sanji here ? Cause I don't
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I'll listen to the characters and their dialogue that the author speaks through thank you very much. Sanji said like you did he just made a fool of himself. Brook (Oda having him say it) said they had the same resolve. Cover art of just 2nd position means nothing, if symbolically the two are still Rayleigh. I didn't say position, I said symbolism.
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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#66
#66
Infitima said:
I'll listen to the characters and their dialogue that the author speaks through thank you very much. Sanji said like you did he just made a fool of himself. Brook (Oda having him say it) said they had the same resolve. Cover art of just 2nd position means nothing, if symbolically the two are still Rayleigh. I didn't say position, I said symbolism.
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Yeah and all throughout the story zoro has had dialogue of being mistaken for the captain and even called first mate
It he who made the supernova
It's he who fought the yonko
It's he who got acoc the same power up luffy did

Sanji has nothing

Sanji has as much to do with Rayleigh as franky for touching ships.

Oh actually sanji does like young girls doesn't he considering he sits outside kids bedrooms crying
 
matt245

matt245

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#74
#74
Infitima said:
@matt245 This is why debating is pointless, and just holding a stance without bothering is the way to go. DM if you were actually serious, otherwise, yeah whatever, people can believe what they want.
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I actually started reading and the first thing that I saw was literally 2 paragraphs regarding how he... Looks like him? Oh wow, he is blonde just like WB. Might as well say that Sanji is just like Whitebeard. And after that everything went downhill. Rayleigh a martial artist? Since when lol? Your ramblings aren't even worth reading let alone debunking so yeah it's pretty much pointless. Let's agree to disagree and call it a day. Arguing with you is pretty much the same as arguing with someone who power scales via height aka a waste of time.
 
Junatic

Junatic

Lunatic Queen
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#79
#79
KageFumi said:
People like you crying in the middle of both fanbases, trying hard to diss both sides. The most insecure, to be honest.
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Just observin a fact, I'm not complainin abt it so it's hardly cryin. What'd I be insecure abt? Wasn't tryin to diss anyone btw, I'm sayin both fanbases have fans that get easily triggered. Admiral and Yonko fanbases are insecure too. Luffy fanbase too. Basically any big fanbase of a popular char's insecure, Zoro and Sanji fanbases are no exceptions. Nth to be mad abt, it ain't that serious.

Warchief Sanji D Goat said:
Best way to stop fanbases is to post Yaoi fanarts of both of them.:araboss:
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Or they'd start arguin abt who got the bigger... you know. Just kiddin, don't kill me guys. :josad:
 
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