Controversial General Political Discussion

[Mathias]

Well IMO porn is worse than booze when it come to vices

It's somewhat banned in some countries. Teenagers who think it's real will have a few adaptation problems but that may be just it. Kids who end up practicing BDSM and whatnot because of that are still rare but it probably increased compared to before internet. I met ladies who brought up BDSM and stuff like that in the middle of the conversation, and I was like I mean, it's not just dudes who are getting into more "hard" stuff.


As for the comparison with booze, it's different as one is something that you drink, the other is something you watch. Best defense so far of porn is that violent movies are made too... and they're everywhere. But in the end, isn't the way to consume both different ?

Entire generations are growing up watching porn. And it sounds like only religious people and feminists say something against it---- and much older people in general.

 

[Logiko]

Round 2

Is the displacement of my thread into this general section your doing ?

Can someone explain me this ?

Because bringing the thread here makes it loses all purpose. Furthermore you guys know full well that this thread will not be talking about politic rather than random shitposting with occasional political discussions. And we can't have real discussion in a general thread. All the more where ALL current will be talking over each others.

The goal of my (new and safe) thread was to discuss around real concepts and make pedagogy + highlight posts. and have a way to centerize political content. This can't be done in here.

This moves feels like a way to reduce political discourse on this forum and confuse political leanings (a way to say, politic from all side is the same). A really shady move as there is no reasons to do that here.

So I ask: Can I have my thread back please ?

 

[Mathias]

Why ask for a safe thread ? Safe spaces only make a bit of sense for those who are discriminated. But there is a moment when you gotta get out and talk to other people.

 

[AL sama]

So I ask: Can I have my thread back please ?

no if you wanna talk politics then do it here or in those old threads

 

[Reborn]

Is the displacement of my thread into this general section your doing ?

Can someone explain me this ?

Because bringing the thread here makes it loses all purpose. Furthermore you guys know full well that this thread will not be talking about politic rather than random shitposting with occasional political discussions. And we can't have real discussion in a general thread. All the more where ALL current will be talking over each others.

The goal of my (new and safe) thread was to discuss around real concepts and make pedagogy + highlight posts. and have a way to centerize political content. This can't be done in here.

This moves feels like a way to reduce political discourse on this forum and confuse political leanings (a way to say, politic from all side is the same). A really shady move as there is no reasons to do that here.

So I ask: Can I have my thread back please ?

Yes you should have your thread back


More the merrier

 

[Logiko]

Why ask for a safe thread ? Safe spaces only make a bit of sense for those who are discriminated. But there is a moment when you gotta get out and talk to other people.

You don't understand. This thread was not intended like the other one to be a safe space, it was intended to be a "positive" space. A space in which rather that debating all over, I would stop and explain in details why this or that concept are important to understand in term of social or political struggle.

This would later drift on highllighting on the intro on content that are good to explain good concepts.

This work of pedagogy can be done in that place where all political opinions are clashing with one another in a big confusionnistic mayham.

no if you wanna talk politics then do it here or in those old threads

Al Sama.. That's what I thought.. So its your doing.
If you don't mind, I will pass on your opinion which is specificaly (for reasons we both know) biased against me and ask the admin for their advice on the matter.

If they agree with you, I will accept it. But I will have to quit this forum as I can't participate in a system that don't understand the importance of having a diversity of political discourse, reduce political discourse by blending all politic together or literally censor it. Especially in a forum talking about a story as political as One Piece.

 

[AL sama]

Al Sama.. That's what I thought.. So its your doing.
If you don't mind, I will pass on your opinion which is specificaly (for reasons we both know) biased against me and ask the admin for their advice on the matter.

If they agree with you, I will accept it. But I will have to quit this forum as I can't participate in a system that don't understand the importance of having a diversity of political discourse, reduce political discourse by blending all politic together or literally censor it. Especially in a forum talking about a story as political as One Piece.

this isn't against you or anything but sure go ahead lol

 

[Peroroncino]

I dont know i think Martian manhunter can beat superman in a fight

 

[Logiko]

this isn't against you or anything but sure go ahead lol

You literally moved an entire positive thread for no reasons while keeping others.. who are literally toxic. So yes, this is against me. Or at least, I'm the first blood here.

But I know the real reason: Since I started talking you've seen the development of political threads all over the place in this general section. Mostly in reaction. And the real problem is... you guys don't seems to want political debate on this forum. So you reduced it to one single thread.

This is, like I already explained multiple times, very problematic.

One Piece is not just a story, it's a engaged story. It comes from a context, it brings up subjects like systemic racism / Discriminations against minorities / Anti fascism etc. So, by reducing the political discourse you are reducing the capacities of people to recontextualize what they read in their story.

Something I was hoping to do with that thread.

Having a positive political section on such a pop culture forum can help us :

- Reduce toxic behavior such as the harassment I was a victim of a year ago
- Reduce Confusionnistic apolitical alt right rethoric
- Make people fall in love with politic again which means a more positive and better fanbase.

So by shutting us up (which is literally what you are doing by putting us into one random thread, because it WON'T be a thread to talk about politic) you are reducing all the possibilities for the fans of One Piece to align with its politic and thus continue the fight.

In short, you are killing militantism and helping confusionnists and the alt right/toxic part of the fanbase.

Now.. I will wait for the advice of the admins.. @Bogard @TheAncientCenturion But this is not looking good.

 

[Peroroncino]

C4N wants to talk his political bullshit but doesnt wanna hear from the other side
What a surprise

 

[AL sama]

bogard won't response and I don't care what tac says

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Because bringing the thread here makes it loses all purpose. Furthermore you guys know full well that this thread will not be talking about politic rather than random shitposting with occasional political discussions. And we can't have real discussion in a general thread. All the more where ALL current will be talking over each others.

This is not a political forum, we don't need multiple threads based around politics. Hence this general thread was made. I really feel like you'd be better off on an actual political forum tbh.

 

[Logiko]

C4N wants to talk his political bullshit but doesnt wanna hear from the other side
What a surprise

You should know that soaking in a mayham of differents political visions only favors one specific vision: the conservatory ones.

Why ?

Because the brain is wired to align with biases and fallacies. And conservatives use those political tools. So the more you are going to spend in a single space where all political discourse are open to talk, the more you will be likely to lean toward conservative opinions.

Why do you think the alt right won the internet ?

This is not a political forum, we don't need multiple threads based around politics. Hence this general thread was made. I really feel like you'd be better off on an actual political forum tbh.

You might think you don't need them.. but you do. I have explain why just above.

bogard won't response and I don't care what tac says

Do you mean that mods can have more power than the admins here ?

 

[Peroroncino]

You should know that soaking in a mayham of differents political visions only favors one specific vision: the conservatory ones.

Why ?

Because the brain is wired to align with biases and fallacies. And conservatives use those political tools. So the more you are going to spend in a single space where all political discourse are open to talk, the more you will be likely to lean toward conservative opinions.

Why do you think the alt right won the internet ?


You might think you don't need them.. but you do. I have explain why just above.






Do you mean that mods can have more power than the admins here ?

You just admitted you cant win against a conservative in a debate.

 

[Mathias]

Let's make a poll to elect @CarrotForNakama as a new admin

 

[Reborn]

I think we definitely need more threads or whole section


More threads on different topics means more chaos*cough* I mean more engaging debates and sharing of different ideas

 

[Emmazrine]

I think we definitely need more threads or whole section


More threads on different topics means more chaos*cough* I mean more engaging debates and sharing of different ideas

chaotic evil

 

[Logiko]

You just admitted you cant win against a conservative in a debate.

Actually no. There is a way to counter this. But this needs time, a dedicated space and long discussions.

That was what this thread was about. In short instead of discussing with the far right, I would rather spend my time deconstructing their rethoric. and make pedagogy over leftists concepts. The more people can understand why leftists use specific concepts (such as "gender normatification" or "systemic racism" or "patriarchy") the less the conservative will have a grip on people who don't really have a political leaning.

But this is impossible here.

 

[AL sama]

Do you mean that mods can have more power than the admins here ?

we all have equal say

 

[Adam 🍎]

I think we definitely need more threads or whole section


More threads on different topics means more chaos*cough* I mean more engaging debates and sharing of different ideas

We had Tits or Ass thread which was more chaotic that this thread

Tho considering we now have a good population of girls and bisexuals/gay here we can add dick to it too