Does WG love or hate the French?

[Pantheos]

We're obviously talking about the last german empire here. Someone said even more controversial ??

Lets be honest here, the "Last German Empire" is called "European Union", which is pretty much under german lead since decades. :D

 

[BleakAsh]

Lets be honest here, the "Last German Empire" is called "European Union", which is pretty much under german lead since decades. :D

Wasn't EU formed right after WW2 as a counter to the Soviets?

 

[Mathias]

Lets be honest here, the "Last German Empire" is called "European Union", which is pretty much under german lead since decades. :D

The European Union is a neo-medieval empire

Its interests and powers are totally decentralized. Even though some countries have bigger influence.

 

[Pantheos]

Wasn't EU formed right after WW2 as a counter to the Soviets?

Created on 01.11.1993. "Right after" is a bit strechted here. :D

 

[Buusatan94]

Wasn't EU formed right after WW2 as a counter to the Soviets?

It was formed as a way to bring stability and prevent another war after the two world wars.

 

[Mathias]

Wasn't EU formed right after WW2 as a counter to the Soviets?

Yes it takes its roots right after WW2, but it has other reasons to exist than just facing the Soviets. Especially today.

 

[Buusatan94]

To be honest, I've been on vacation alone a few times in Europe and I met people who told me in the second I told them I was French "wow, French haha, so arrogant" or other various kinds of contempt. I mean, I don't know where the contempt comes from but it could indeed be Americans influencing their brains like

It has always been ironic, for americans to criticize french and others for arrogance.

 

[BleakAsh]

Created on 01.11.1993. "Right after" is a bit strechted here. :D

I may have mixed up NATO with it then.

 

[Pantheos]

I may have mixed up NATO with it then.

Most likely yeah. NATO is an intergovernmental military alliance, while the european union is an economic und political alliance/union. Some clear difference there, since USA is part of the NATO for example, while obviously not part of the EU.

 

[Red Night]

Dont let me pull out "original german borders".

There are not Germany only exists since 1871.

 

[Mathias]

It has always been ironic, for americans to criticize french and others for arrogance.

You'll hear bat-shit crazy stuff like "the French are so mad that they lost their colonies", even though the French don't even remotely care about that today. Same is said about the British and I don't think they care either.

I'm talking about populations here, of course the State kept economical interests though

 

[BleakAsh]

You'll hear bat-shit crazy stuff like "the French are so mad that they lost their colonies", even though the French don't even remotely care about that today. Same is said about the British and I don't think they care either.

I'm talking about populations here, of course the State kept economical interests though

Are Americans why English speaking foreigners even as second language get ridiculed by some French folk?
That's what i heard from a friend who visited France.. Said that French don't like English at all

 

[Buusatan94]

Are Americans why English speaking foreigners even as second language get ridiculed by some French folk?
That's what i heard from a friend who visited France.. Said that French don't like English at all

It's exagerated, there may be some who ridicule english-speaking foreigners but it's just a minority just like everywhere else. And english generally throw more pokes and care more about french than french do about english.

Of course you have to know the very long history between english and french to know why.

 

[Mathias]

Are Americans why English speaking foreigners even as second language get ridiculed by some French folk?
That's what i heard from a friend who visited France.. Said that French don't like English at all

I don't really get it. How are we supposed to make fun of people speaking English ? Aren't we the worst at that ?

As for anti-Americanism, at least it's based on contemporary issues.

 

[Buusatan94]

That reminds me of the childish and petty french-bashing americans did after France opposed US's war in Irak, even as we had very good reasons and weren't the only western country to do so.

 

[Red Night]

That reminds me of the childish and petty french-bashing americans did after France opposed US's war in Irak, even as we had very good reasons and weren't the only western country to do so.

The French-bashing after what happened about Iraq still exist.

 

[Buusatan94]

The French-bashing after what happened about Iraq still exist.

I know, though at least most of the americans today recognize the folly of this war and bashing. Though there are always desperate cases.

 

[Red Night]

Yes it takes its roots right after WW2, but it has other reasons to exist than just facing the Soviets. Especially today.

De Gaulle wasn't liked by the Americans. The USA were even prepared for an alliance between France and USSR.

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The submarines case last year was really a thing in France. Some were considering leaving NATO just after this.

 

[Mathias]

De Gaulle wasn't liked by the Americans. The USA were even prepared for an alliance between France and USSR.

To be fair, US and USSR were both split about what to think about the French

 

[Buusatan94]

De Gaulle wasn't liked by the Americans. The USA were even prepared for an alliance between France and USSR.

Which was a proof of their poor understanding of the man and manichean vision of the situation, since De Gaulle wanted to promote and preserve France autonomy.