Controversial the abortion question
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Except, that is not the point of contention. Having the genetic material and that genetic material being activated is not the same.
Once the genetic material in a sperm (and an supporting ovum) is activated, only then can a baby be made. Your argument is absolutely not good.
I am absolutely for family planning (we have too many people as it is) and I don't feel any ethical issue because family planning is meant to stop the sperm from ever uniting with an ovum to produce a zygote. Once a zygote is formed, it does everything in its power to produce a baby.
Ultimately it boils down to values. Where do you draw your line? A zygote will form a baby (most of the time). So, do we stop that? Why would we stop that?
Once the genetic material in a sperm (and an supporting ovum) is activated, only then can a baby be made. Your argument is absolutely not good.
I am absolutely for family planning (we have too many people as it is) and I don't feel any ethical issue because family planning is meant to stop the sperm from ever uniting with an ovum to produce a zygote. Once a zygote is formed, it does everything in its power to produce a baby.
Ultimately it boils down to values. Where do you draw your line? A zygote will form a baby (most of the time). So, do we stop that? Why would we stop that?
"Because there is a risk to the mother?" IMO Absolutely.
"Because it is a product of rape and we shouldn't let a woman who already suffered trauma continue to suffer more trauma?" Go ahead. I have no objection.
"Because they didn’t know what they were doing when they were having sex?" This is where I draw the line.
People must accept responsibility for their actions.All the sex education in the world can't protect you if your condom breaks during sex. It's not about that.
It’s about acknowledging that while sex is fun, and with enough precautions it is possible to not be pregnant, there is always a risk of being pregnant. No contraception is 100% effective.
So, we should do our best to practice safe sex and also keep in mind that there is this risk of getting pregnant, in which case they need to welcome it. That's what we were taught by our seniors: Have sex, use protection if you are not ready to be parents, but beware that it may happen nonetheless.
Again, I am not calling for blanket ban on abortion or any ban at all. I hope my people will be responsible adults and recognize that abortion is not a method of birth control, that it is reserved for most serious of cases.
It’s about acknowledging that while sex is fun, and with enough precautions it is possible to not be pregnant, there is always a risk of being pregnant. No contraception is 100% effective.
So, we should do our best to practice safe sex and also keep in mind that there is this risk of getting pregnant, in which case they need to welcome it. That's what we were taught by our seniors: Have sex, use protection if you are not ready to be parents, but beware that it may happen nonetheless.
Again, I am not calling for blanket ban on abortion or any ban at all. I hope my people will be responsible adults and recognize that abortion is not a method of birth control, that it is reserved for most serious of cases.
Most people know you get pregnant if you have sex even before they become old enough to have sex. It's especially true in the Western part of the World. Even school kids know what condoms are for. Most people do it anyways because they know they don't have to face the consequences. Besides, the vast majority of pregnancies aren't from teens. All you have been doing is using the outliers to represent the entire spectrum of women with unwanted pregnancies.
That just proved my point. You knew how babies are made before you were old enough to have sex. I am from a 3rd world country. We had sex ed in school—our country is at the bottom of the pit when it comes to education standards. And I know for a fact that sex isn't a taboo subject in a lot of Western countries, so even parents or family members can teach their kids about sex. I mean people don't even talk about sex openly in my country, and even I know how it's done at a relatively young age.
No. My point is a man and woman need to acknowledge that the intercourse they are about to have can lead to a baby despite the precautions they are taking, then be satisfied with that risk, and only then proceed to sex.
Again, sex can be fun and we have a biological need built into us for it. But It's main purpose was to procreate. If a man and woman can't handle that there is 1%, 3% or 5% chance that this next 1 hour can lead to a baby, they shouldn’t be having sex in the first place.
It depends a lot on the values ultimately. Western people (and other asian countries I don't speak for) consider sex to be a lot more trivial than we do (at least used to, a lot has changed in BD over the last 30-40 years). And because we don't/didn’t used to think of sex as trivial, people didn’t get shocked when they became pregnant. That is not to say that unhealthy abortion practices didn’t exist in my country. Men have done horrible things to women to get them to abort.
Finally, I am not going to tell anyone anything. I am outlining my view. I am not the kind of guy to try and enforce my views on to others. I state what I want to state and debate what I want to.
I am well aware of where the world is heading towards and I know my values will slowly disappear.
Again, sex can be fun and we have a biological need built into us for it. But It's main purpose was to procreate. If a man and woman can't handle that there is 1%, 3% or 5% chance that this next 1 hour can lead to a baby, they shouldn’t be having sex in the first place.
It depends a lot on the values ultimately. Western people (and other asian countries I don't speak for) consider sex to be a lot more trivial than we do (at least used to, a lot has changed in BD over the last 30-40 years). And because we don't/didn’t used to think of sex as trivial, people didn’t get shocked when they became pregnant. That is not to say that unhealthy abortion practices didn’t exist in my country. Men have done horrible things to women to get them to abort.
Finally, I am not going to tell anyone anything. I am outlining my view. I am not the kind of guy to try and enforce my views on to others. I state what I want to state and debate what I want to.
I am well aware of where the world is heading towards and I know my values will slowly disappear.