General & Others What will the fandom do when the Admirals and Gorosei (w/ Imu) aren't proper match-ups for the Straw Hats?
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1.Kizaru casually offered to stop Kaidou and Big Mom, Akainu only stopped him due to forces outside of Kaidou and Big Mom's crews.
2.This isn't about defeating a Yonkou crew, but protecting someone.
3.Saturn and Kizaru had no idea Luffy and his crew were on egghead when they planned the meetup.
4.Kizaru already brought a fleet and is asking for even more backup when he found out the SHP are on the island.
5.Saturn has command over the Seraphim.
Admiral vs Yonkou is such a stupid childish discussion, the point is the Admirals are at a level that nobody is capable of getting past them without the fight of their lives at the very least, and with a fleet backing even 1 Admiral it can nearly mimic an entire Yonkou crew if not exceed it depending on the backup, and that's without factoring in military tactics.
Kizaru doesn't know that this is a shonen manga and fights become a 1v1 boxing event, he is acting like an Admiral of the Navy should.
2.This isn't about defeating a Yonkou crew, but protecting someone.
3.Saturn and Kizaru had no idea Luffy and his crew were on egghead when they planned the meetup.
4.Kizaru already brought a fleet and is asking for even more backup when he found out the SHP are on the island.
5.Saturn has command over the Seraphim.
Admiral vs Yonkou is such a stupid childish discussion, the point is the Admirals are at a level that nobody is capable of getting past them without the fight of their lives at the very least, and with a fleet backing even 1 Admiral it can nearly mimic an entire Yonkou crew if not exceed it depending on the backup, and that's without factoring in military tactics.
Kizaru doesn't know that this is a shonen manga and fights become a 1v1 boxing event, he is acting like an Admiral of the Navy should.
Uh, yes, they were. We know all this. What has happened was
-Kizaru and Saturn were on their way to Egghead
-CP0 were sent first as infiltration
-plan was to kill Vegapunk and get the Seraphim
Saturns there to get command of the Seraphim and maybe question Vegapunk. Kizaru is there as the muscle. CP0 were to be support.
The Strawhats, Bonney and traitor Sussy were all unexpected , but you guys don’t seem to be able to see a middle ground, it’s either Saturn is scumbag fodder or a top tier.
What is more than likely the case is that he is a highly competent, intelligent man, who can protect himself to an extent but nowhere near the levels of Kizaru. He’s not left Mariejois lightly. He’s going to try and see through the plan, and not just abandon it at the first hurdle.
He still has a solid plan, get the Seraphim to listen to him, then it’s Kizaru, four Seraphim and a fleet of battleships against the Strawhats and Vegapunk.
-Kizaru and Saturn were on their way to Egghead
-CP0 were sent first as infiltration
-plan was to kill Vegapunk and get the Seraphim
Saturns there to get command of the Seraphim and maybe question Vegapunk. Kizaru is there as the muscle. CP0 were to be support.
The Strawhats, Bonney and traitor Sussy were all unexpected , but you guys don’t seem to be able to see a middle ground, it’s either Saturn is scumbag fodder or a top tier.
What is more than likely the case is that he is a highly competent, intelligent man, who can protect himself to an extent but nowhere near the levels of Kizaru. He’s not left Mariejois lightly. He’s going to try and see through the plan, and not just abandon it at the first hurdle.
He still has a solid plan, get the Seraphim to listen to him, then it’s Kizaru, four Seraphim and a fleet of battleships against the Strawhats and Vegapunk.
The Gorosei should be aware though that Yonko and Admirals stand far above the rest of the world, so naturally the Admiral would have to hold off the Yonko if the two forces clashed, or else the Yonko would just fold everyone else.
The WG sent the entire Marine HQ to defend Ace’s execution, but they’ll only send one Admiral and a few battleships to defend a Gorosei? Even if the Marines sent enough reinforcements to match a Yonko crew, there is still a huge risk of the Gorosei getting hurt or killed in the battle if the Gorosei is just fodder. So either Saturn can fight, or the Marines need to send a force much stronger than the combined might of an entire Yonko crew + Egghead’s defenses in order to bring the chance of harm coming to the Gorosei being harmed to nearly 0%
@ZenZu Also, do you really think the Gorosei respect the strength of one random Admiral more than that of their mortal enemy, the Sun God?
The WG sent the entire Marine HQ to defend Ace’s execution, but they’ll only send one Admiral and a few battleships to defend a Gorosei? Even if the Marines sent enough reinforcements to match a Yonko crew, there is still a huge risk of the Gorosei getting hurt or killed in the battle if the Gorosei is just fodder. So either Saturn can fight, or the Marines need to send a force much stronger than the combined might of an entire Yonko crew + Egghead’s defenses in order to bring the chance of harm coming to the Gorosei being harmed to nearly 0%
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@ZenZu Also, do you really think the Gorosei respect the strength of one random Admiral more than that of their mortal enemy, the Sun God?
There is a reason the Gorosei don't step out much.
You're basically asking the Marines to send like 70% of their manpower/strength for a Saturn meet and greet.
I don't think you've quite grasped that the Seraphim are replacements for the Warlords, so essentially this is Kizaru as the Yonkou + some Warlords that Saturn has control over + a few elite Cp0 , and this is before they even knew there was a Yonkou crew there. Now more fleets are on their way.
You're basically asking the Marines to send like 70% of their manpower/strength for a Saturn meet and greet.
I don't think you've quite grasped that the Seraphim are replacements for the Warlords, so essentially this is Kizaru as the Yonkou + some Warlords that Saturn has control over + a few elite Cp0 , and this is before they even knew there was a Yonkou crew there. Now more fleets are on their way.
If the Gorosei were actually top tiers (who are all stronger than the Admirals, as you guys seem to be arguing) then Kizaru isn’t even necessary, or the battleships.
In a world where top tier Gorosei is true, the sensible plan would be for three of them together, which is a force that would annihilate every Yonko crew, to go to Vegapunk. Don’t need to tell any Admirals (better not, keep the entire thing hush hush). And there’s still two other Gorosei back in Mariejois just in case.
What has actually happened is that events have forced their hand.
The world at large is completely chaotic
They don’t want Vegapunk to discover any more of the Void Century lore
They want control of the Seraphim away from him for good
They have sent one Gorosei, but kept the others back in safety. They have taken Kizaru, probably because he’s the only one available. Fleet Admiral Sakazuki is the man in charge and can’t leave, Fujitora isn’t trustworthy and Ryokugyu was off hunting Weevil.
End of the day, mission goes wrong, worst case scenerio, they can still say “well, we lost Saturn and Kizaru, but there’s still us four, two Admirals and Sakazuki.” It‘s a necessary risk they‘ve taken to get rid of Vegapunk.
In a world where top tier Gorosei is true, the sensible plan would be for three of them together, which is a force that would annihilate every Yonko crew, to go to Vegapunk. Don’t need to tell any Admirals (better not, keep the entire thing hush hush). And there’s still two other Gorosei back in Mariejois just in case.
What has actually happened is that events have forced their hand.
The world at large is completely chaotic
They don’t want Vegapunk to discover any more of the Void Century lore
They want control of the Seraphim away from him for good
They have sent one Gorosei, but kept the others back in safety. They have taken Kizaru, probably because he’s the only one available. Fleet Admiral Sakazuki is the man in charge and can’t leave, Fujitora isn’t trustworthy and Ryokugyu was off hunting Weevil.
End of the day, mission goes wrong, worst case scenerio, they can still say “well, we lost Saturn and Kizaru, but there’s still us four, two Admirals and Sakazuki.” It‘s a necessary risk they‘ve taken to get rid of Vegapunk.
This is WCI all over again. An event that distinguishes Luffy from the rest of the Supernova trio.
In Dressrosa he shared bounty. In WCI, he got 5th Emperor bounty.
In Wano he got shared bounty. In Egghead, he will get proper Yonko bounty >= 4 bill.
Watch out for Gear 5: Snakeman vs. Kizaru. Katakuri was always just warmup for Kizaru.
In Dressrosa he shared bounty. In WCI, he got 5th Emperor bounty.
In Wano he got shared bounty. In Egghead, he will get proper Yonko bounty >= 4 bill.
Watch out for Gear 5: Snakeman vs. Kizaru. Katakuri was always just warmup for Kizaru.