Are you saying the Arabs should expell themselves and leave big chunk of lands , make millions of people homeless and hand it to the Jews because Europeans genocided Jews at their continent?

What LMAO?
The Nakba would have never happened if the arabs just accepted the UN deal. But unfortunately they were opposed to the idea of israel existing in any shape or form. They started the war and subsequently lost.

Sucks for the people who got caught up in it, but if the arabs really wanted to avoid conflict, maybe they should have agreed with the partition plan.

And you're ignoring the significance of Jerusalem, it's certainly ain't a piece of land to Arabs.
Jews are native to the land of Israel. That's why before there was palestine, there was the Kingdom of Judah. That's where the word "Jew" gets its name.

But sure I guess.
Let's built a ethno state right deep in the heart of the Arab world that every one was sure will be a bad idea. Make them a Nuclear power and the Military capabilities that beyond any player in the region. Make themselves an oppressor to the indigenous people , bring settler colonialism from worldwides to win the demographics battle and not get overbreed by surrounding Arab * hordes* .

A century goes on, eternal hostilities is planted among both sides of Arabs elites, the Islamists and the Secularists towards Israel. Even after a fragile *normalization* that has been done by few autocratic Arabs states it's solely due to economic benefits and appeasing Washington for their geopolitics battles, it's clearly not supported by masses.
Christians and Muslims had hundreds of years of wars and conquests, making them the two largest religions in the world with billions of followers. Christians and Muslims have created entire empires in their names.

Meanwhile Jews did none of this, became a super minority, and were oppressed for hundreds of years. Then after being victimized for all that time, jews decided to stand up for themselves and fight for their own self determination, creating israel.

You cannot tell me it is wrong for Jews to do this when the Arabs have done so much worse.

What right do Arabs have to pretend that they have some sort of moral high ground when they've created empires like this(Umayyad Caliphate)? Oh, that's fine but if Jews just want one piece of land, now that's too much, they can't have that.
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* I support Israel because Jews need a state, I'll ignore the historical and religious significance of the land, I'll ignore the inter- Arabs dynamics, portraying them as literally the same people all over the Middle East and ohh yeah Palestinians should be the collateral damage that should leave home to live in refugee camps, such bigotry from Arabs for not doing so"
lol, the arab states could just grant the Palestinians citizenship, but they hate Israel so much that they'd rather let Palestinians suffer than legitimize israel.
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Anyways, I'm not a big fan of the state of israel, but I just hate the whole anti-zionist position.

Honestly, I don't like bringing it up, but I think the anti-zionist position is anti-semitic. This notion that the mere existence of a jewish state is problematic, that jews have zero rights to a homeland, and that they need to live under arab rule. It just seems like this viewpoint simply doesn't value jews as equals to arabs.

This isn't to say that Israel is beyond criticism, but if your criticism of Israel is its mere existence, then what's your solution? Stop existing? No, fuck you. If this is the position that Arabs have, then why shouldn't Israel respond violently to the Palestinians? Why should the existence of Palestine matter to Israel at all, when the same isn't true vice versa? Why should there ever be peace when one side doesn't want the other to exist?

This is the whole attack on titan situation. How are you supposed to react when everyone around you is hostile to you and wants you dead? At some point you need to just fight for your own interest, your own freedom, and disregard the damage you cause in the wake.

If you want to know why The State of Israel acts the way it does, that's why.
 
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The Nakba would have never happened if the arabs just accepted the UN deal. But unfortunately they were opposed to the idea of israel existing in any shape or form. They started the war and subsequently lost.
Why should they accept the partition?
They have legit reason not do so.

Will Europe accept accept non European ethno state in the middle of it?

Sympathism to refugees can only take you so far ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DIDN'T DO THE CRIME. That's very different from actively handing over them the land and expelling their people.

Classic * if you don't agree with us then die* mentality

Jews are native to the land of Israel. That's why before there was palestine, there was the Kingdom of Juda
Ahh another classic 4,000 years claim of heritage.

This doesn't change the demographics of the Jews in there for past millennium to mid 2oth century as always being significant minority at best.


Most Palestinians are not Arab settlers.
I'm sure you know the difference between Arabs from Najd and Levantine region

Their beliefs and cultures evolve over time.


Even Crusader states was Arab majority, albeit significant Arab Christians.

Christians and Muslims had hundreds of years of wars and conquests, making them the two largest religions in the world with billions of followers. Christians and Muslims have created entire empires in their names.

Meanwhile Jews did none of this, became a super minority, and were oppressed for hundreds of years. Then after being victimized for all that time, jews decided to stand up for themselves and fight for their own self determination, creating israel.

You cannot tell me it is wrong for Jews to do this when the Arabs have done so much worse.
Muslim and Christians believe their values is universal. Hence they started conquests because they believe goodness should be spread, even by force as to save people from hell. It's the same philosophy also shared by Elite Europeans later to spread spread liberalism even through thru wars and colonism. Because they will believe they're values is universal and it's the best for humanity

Jews generally had different philosophy. Ethno-Religioustic one that not as keen converting pagans and all they believe it's something they should keep among themselves as they're the choosen people.
However massive missionary activities still existed

This doesn't change that Jews tried to seize Jerusalem many times. Most significantly in the Roman- Jewish wars that led the banning of the Jews in Jerusalem which later absolished after Muslims took over
In other words, if they're capable of creating large empires they would have done it.

and Idk why you're bringing up age of empires in current modern context, Empire's always existed for many millennium by various ruling powers, it's their way creating civilizations
Ummayyads was revolted by Their Own People, Was completely kicked out from Iberian peninsula and later Abbasids was decentralized and comes many small States and the cycle repeat with other big empires.

If you want Arabs to PAY for Ummayyads imperialism, then go read Spanish inquisition, and the Mongols massacres and Western colonialism.
Surely that's satisfying revenge enough for you?!

Those who brutally wronged a community should take the responsibility themselves and make it up WITHOUT using other people as collateral damage.

lol, the arab states could just grant the Palestinians citizenship, but they hate Israel so much that they'd rather let Palestinians suffer than legitimize israel.
Now this a very biased take as you're ignoring many logistics issues.
Many Palestinians also was given citizenship yet retain their Palestine identity and struggle


When it comes to Israel, there's two famous narrative that legitimize it's actions.
1) Anti Semitism- Sympathism
2) Anti Arab/ Muslim- Hatred.

This sympathism and hatred is such strong human feelings and it's shared by many especially the western ruling elites.
So whatever controversial things Israel will do , it will get a pass. This feelings and narrative are eternal

So all these talks are useless anyways.

Arabs states are too weak and still suffering from trauma of the 6 days wars.
Israel Military and nukes is beyond any player region so military solution is not possible and they don't want to get humiliated again.
The Gulf states the one with plenty of money are flirting with Israel to appease Uncle Sam for their own geo-politics struggle and anti- Iran agenda.

Iran tried to play Hero and then they was hit by sanctions and realize it's beyond them. they instead pursue a secterian agenda in Arab world and now they're barely surviving. Only matter of time till it collapses.

So most of the ruling elites have been abandoned the Palestine cause and Palestinians are on their own and at absolutely mercy of Israeli. They now can only do some media recording and occasional terrorism ( which will most often backfire and results of entire military retaliations raids being done). The idea of two states solution seems farce as Israel is increasing the settlements in West Bank.

SO you're right that this is a never ending conflict because of those two narrative I mentioned. Whatever happening now , will keep happening for the next decades.
So many peace deal have been made yet so Fragile and Short
It's entirely up to Israel how they want to handle the * Arab Question* because they're the ones in power and got full support from Uncle Sam
 
My man has been Jewish for a week and is already an expert in the nuances of the Jewish standpoint in the Israel/Palestine conflict
lmfao
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Why should they accept the partition?
They have legit reason not do so.

Will Europe accept accept non European ethno state in the middle of it?

Sympathism to refugees can only take you so far ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DIDN'T DO THE CRIME. That's very different from actively handing over them the land and expelling their people.

Classic * if you don't agree with us then die* mentality


Ahh another classic 4,000 years claim of heritage.

This doesn't change the demographics of the Jews in there for past millennium to mid 2oth century as always being significant minority at best.


Most Palestinians are not Arab settlers.
I'm sure you know the difference between Arabs from Najd and Levantine region

Their beliefs and cultures evolve over time.


Even Crusader states was Arab majority, albeit significant Arab Christians.


Muslim and Christians believe their values is universal. Hence they started conquests because they believe goodness should be spread, even by force as to save people from hell. It's the same philosophy also shared by Elite Europeans later to spread spread liberalism even through thru wars and colonism. Because they will believe they're values is universal and it's the best for humanity

Jews generally had different philosophy. Ethno-Religioustic one that not as keen converting pagans and all they believe it's something they should keep among themselves as they're the choosen people.
However massive missionary activities still existed

This doesn't change that Jews tried to seize Jerusalem many times. Most significantly in the Roman- Jewish wars that led the banning of the Jews in Jerusalem which later absolished after Muslims took over
In other words, if they're capable of creating large empires they would have done it.

and Idk why you're bringing up age of empires in current modern context, Empire's always existed for many millennium by various ruling powers, it's their way creating civilizations
Ummayyads was revolted by Their Own People, Was completely kicked out from Iberian peninsula and later Abbasids was decentralized and comes many small States and the cycle repeat with other big empires.

If you want Arabs to PAY for Ummayyads imperialism, then go read Spanish inquisition, and the Mongols massacres and Western colonialism.
Surely that's satisfying revenge enough for you?!

Those who brutally wronged a community should take the responsibility themselves and make it up WITHOUT using other people as collateral damage.


Now this a very biased take as you're ignoring many logistics issues.
Many Palestinians also was given citizenship yet retain their Palestine identity and struggle


When it comes to Israel, there's two famous narrative that legitimize it's actions.
1) Anti Semitism- Sympathism
2) Anti Arab/ Muslim- Hatred.

This sympathism and hatred is such strong human feelings and it's shared by many especially the western ruling elites.
So whatever controversial things Israel will do , it will get a pass. This feelings and narrative are eternal

So all these talks are useless anyways.

Arabs states are too weak and still suffering from trauma of the 6 days wars.
Israel Military and nukes is beyond any player region so military solution is not possible and they don't want to get humiliated again.
The Gulf states the one with plenty of money are flirting with Israel to appease Uncle Sam for their own geo-politics struggle and anti- Iran agenda.

Iran tried to play Hero and then they was hit by sanctions and realize it's beyond them. they instead pursue a secterian agenda in Arab world and now they're barely surviving. Only matter of time till it collapses.

So most of the ruling elites have been abandoned the Palestine cause and Palestinians are on their own and at absolutely mercy of Israeli. They now can only do some media recording and occasional terrorism ( which will most often backfire and results of entire military retaliations raids being done). The idea of two states solution seems farce as Israel is increasing the settlements in West Bank.

SO you're right that this is a never ending conflict because of those two narrative I mentioned. Whatever happening now , will keep happening for the next decades.
So many peace deal have been made yet so Fragile and Short
It's entirely up to Israel how they want to handle the * Arab Question* because they're the ones in power and got full support from Uncle Sam
I don't have a horse in the race,so i will not post any opinions.But i'm curious about people views and possible solutions about this.
 
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Why should they accept the partition?
They have legit reason not do so.

Will Europe accept accept non European ethno state in the middle of it?

Sympathism to refugees can only take you so far ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DIDN'T DO THE CRIME. That's very different from actively handing over them the land and expelling their people.

Classic * if you don't agree with us then die* mentality
It wasn’t an ethnostate

the 1947 partition would have created a Palestinian ethnostate that was 99% Palestinian and a Jewish majority state that was only 55% Jewish.

The Arabs had a good deal and they fucked it up because they hated israel too much.


Ahh another classic 4,000 years claim of heritage.

This doesn't change the demographics of the Jews in there for past millennium to mid 2oth century as always being significant minority at best.


Most Palestinians are not Arab settlers.
I'm sure you know the difference between Arabs from Najd and Levantine region

Their beliefs and cultures evolve over time.


Even Crusader states was Arab majority, albeit significant Arab Christians.
I’m not denying that the Arabs also have some claim to the land. But it’s undeniable that the Israelis also have a claim.

Where are Jews from? You know the answer. It isn’t Europe, if it was they wouldn’t have been treated like outsiders in Europe for hundreds of years.


Now this a very biased take as you're ignoring many logistics issues.
Many Palestinians also was given citizenship yet retain their Palestine identity and struggle


When it comes to Israel, there's two famous narrative that legitimize it's actions.
1) Anti Semitism- Sympathism
2) Anti Arab/ Muslim- Hatred.

This sympathism and hatred is such strong human feelings and it's shared by many especially the western ruling elites.
So whatever controversial things Israel will do , it will get a pass. This feelings and narrative are eternal

So all these talks are useless anyways.

Arabs states are too weak and still suffering from trauma of the 6 days wars.
Israel Military and nukes is beyond any player region so military solution is not possible and they don't want to get humiliated again.
The Gulf states the one with plenty of money are flirting with Israel to appease Uncle Sam for their own geo-politics struggle and anti- Iran agenda.

Iran tried to play Hero and then they was hit by sanctions and realize it's beyond them. they instead pursue a secterian agenda in Arab world and now they're barely surviving. Only matter of time till it collapses.

So most of the ruling elites have been abandoned the Palestine cause and Palestinians are on their own and at absolutely mercy of Israeli. They now can only do some media recording and occasional terrorism ( which will most often backfire and results of entire military retaliations raids being done). The idea of two states solution seems farce as Israel is increasing the settlements in West Bank.

SO you're right that this is a never ending conflict because of those two narrative I mentioned. Whatever happening now , will keep happening for the next decades.
So many peace deal have been made yet so Fragile and Short
It's entirely up to Israel how they want to handle the * Arab Question* because they're the ones in power and got full support from Uncle Sam
I agree that israel is definitely abusing their power right now. I don’t think a lot of the stuff they are doing is justified.

My point was simply that the existence of israel in some shape or form is valid.
 
Jews are native to the land of Israel.
This is not even confirmed

There are theories that the 'real' historical Israel was somewhere further to the south.
Please look it up.

And going by that logic nearly all Europeans should be deported to the black sea because that's where the indo-Europeans came from ~8000 years ago.

Doesn't really work,no?
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What right do Arabs have to pretend that they have some sort of moral high ground when they've created empires like this(Umayyad Caliphate)? Oh, that's fine but if Jews just want one piece of land, now that's too much, they can't have that.
I agree with your standpoint
 
This is not even confirmed

There are theories that the 'real' historical Israel was somewhere further to the south.
Please look it up.

And going by that logic nearly all Europeans should be deported to the black sea because that's where the indo-Europeans came from ~8000 years ago.

Doesn't really work,no?
Except the europeans have a home of their own...europe

The jews didn't have that, which is why they created Israel. Also keep in mind, the zionist movement started in the late 1800s, the state of Israel was created in 1948, between that time a lot of jews migrated to that area.

So come post world war II, Israel honestly made the most sense for the creation of a jewish state. There was already a large jewish population in the region, plus jews had historic ties to the land.
 
Except the europeans have a home of their own...europe

The jews didn't have that, which is why they created Israel. Also keep in mind, the zionist movement started in the late 1800s, the state of Israel was created in 1948, between that time a lot of jews migrated to that area.

So come post world war II, Israel honestly made the most sense for the creation of a jewish state. There was already a large jewish population in the region, plus jews had historic ties to the land.
Europeans are NOT an ethnic group.
 
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