Controversial General Political Discussion

[trav]

History is decided by the winners & dead men tell no tales they say

For a dead man that tells no tale Hitler does pretty well. Considering that even after 80y hes still one of the, if not THE, most relevant historical figure.
What a weak ideology National Socialism was. Considering that people, to this day, still poop their pants in fear of it.

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decreasing quality of grammar education

Education is being dumbed down because we got too many illiterate immigrants. I see it in my kids day care aswell.
The school intro examination requires you to understand a sentence that a 2yo can easily comprehend. Its utter insanity. Many immigrant kids still fail at it. Their parents fault, btw.
Normal germans do not struggle with Amtsdeutsch (burocratic german). Normal immigrants do not either.

Be grateful for the language barrier. It saves our country from so much bullshit.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

For a dead man that tells no tale Hitler does pretty well. Considering that even after 80y hes still one of the, if not THE, most relevant historical figure.
What a weak ideology National Socialism was. Considering that people, to this day, still poop their pants in fear of it.

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Education is being dumbed down because we got too many illiterate immigrants. I see it in my kids day care aswell.
The school intro examination requires you to understand a sentence that a 2yo can easily comprehend. Its utter insanity. Many immigrant kids still fail at it. Their parents fault, btw.
Normal germans do not struggle with Amtsdeutsch (burocratic german). Normal immigrants do not either.

Be grateful for the language barrier. It saves our country from so much bullshit.

Oh, long time no see trav

You're unusually outspoken today.
Where's the veiling ,indirect speech patterns you usually use to word your ''''''''criticism'''''''' on foreigners?

 

[Warine]

Oh, long time no see trav

You're unusually outspoken today.
Where's the veiling ,indirect speech patterns you usually use to word your ''''''''criticism'''''''' on foreigners?

Damn, what's that supposed to mean?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Damn, what's that supposed to mean?

the intellectual version of Yubel

 

[Red Night]

Lmao I don't use soyboy or similar terms as insults.




I see
Tbh I don't really wanna start a German identity debate here.


And about Charlemagne I'll just say: he was successful, that's why we call him 'father of europe' and everyone loves him.
Hitler, on the other hand, lost.
Imagine had Hitler won WWII every historian today and in the future would shill for Hitler, we'd call him the father of New Europe ,we'd sugar coat his crimes to no end and the biggest historian propaganda elites would praise Hitler as the second coming of Jesus or w/e

History is decided by the winners & dead men tell no tales they say

Charlemagne is called Father of Europe, because the franks spread Christianity in Europe. It was used as a cement for european states.

Third Reich never would have lasted long. At Hitler's death, all of his close circle would clash for the power. People would remember Hitler as a weird austrian dictator. Some talk of National-socialism as a European project, but it's nothing other than a tool used by Germans to get rid of others nations. Nazi's statism concluded to the end of historical duchies, giving a reason for Germany to exist since it's a very young country.

 

[Adam 🍎]

No one gives a fuck about Charlemagne

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Charlemagne is called Father of Europe, because the franks spread Christianity in Europe. It was used as a cement for european states

Yes
And who needs that?

 

[Red Night]

No one gives a fuck about Charlemagne

He's apart of the National roman of my country, so not that much.

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Yes
And who needs that?

Germany, so they uniformise their country.
I propose to occupy Germany so we can change that. Even if I wish Germany collapses in multiple states.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

He's apart of the National roman of my country, so not that much.

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Germany, so they uniformise their country.
I propose to occupy Germany so we can change that. Even if I wish Germany collapses in multiple states.

Charlemagne terrorized big parts of Europe
Screw him
Probably murdered his own brother even

 

[Adam 🍎]

He's apart of the National roman of my country, so not that much.

And his dumb kids decided to fuck up Europe for next 1000 hours

 

[Red Night]

Charlemagne terrorized big parts of Europe
Screw him
Probably murdered his own brother even

I'm not saying murdering is a good way. But Germany would have stay a bunch of tributes if France never went in.

 

[Kami Burn]

But Germany would have stay a bunch of tributes if France never went in.

That was it's state after the 30 years of civil war. Before it was the Holy Roman Empire and France was shitting its pants because of it. And because of England. In the war against France at 1870 we saw what a united Germany can do if they want by steamrolling France.

So what is your problem with Germany? You seem to have some grudge against us.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Skanderberg (Balkan soldier) > Charlemagne

 

[Red Night]

That was it's state after the 30 years of civil war. Before it was the Holy Roman Empire and France was shitting its pants because of it. And because of England. In the war against France at 1870 we saw what a united Germany can do if they want by steamrolling France.

So what is your problem with Germany? You seem to have some grudge against us.

They oppose to our economic interests and they claim some of France natural borders.

 

[Peroroncino]

Charlemagne deez nutz

 

[Kami Burn]

They oppose to our economic interests and they claim some of France natural borders.

From a strong territorial standpoint of view I could say the opposite is the case: after WWI and WWII you frrench people claimed some german natural borders like Lorraine,which always was a bone of contention between the HRE and France and that's just because of the fickle loyalty of the lorraine counts to both kingdoms.

And here I'm sitting and always was thinking the beef between Germany and France was over. But it seems some people are still butthurt because of the history. So when will England finally claim its french territories like the normandy back?

 

[Red Night]

From a strong territorial standpoint of view I could say the opposite is the case: after WWI and WWII you frrench people claimed some german natural borders like Lorraine,which always was a bone of contention between the HRE and France and that's just because of the fickle loyalty of the lorraine counts to both kingdoms.

And here I'm sitting and always was thinking the beef between Germany and France was over. But it seems some people are still butthurt because of the history. So when will England finally claim its french territories like the normandy back?

England was a Norman territory. Norman are a french people. Normal that in that time England was controlling Normandy.

 

[Adam 🍎]

England was a Norman territory. Norman are a french people. Normal that in that time England was controlling Normandy.

German claim for Lorraine goes back to foundation of Lotharingia. And it was annexed by Germans in 1870 war

 

[Kami Burn]

Norman are a french people.

Before the Viking invaded France maybe,but after it was nothing more than a scandinavian State with a Viking as ruler. Same counts for England. The greatest king of England,Wilhelm the Conquerer had scandinavian blood and was an descentant to Rollo. It's a historical fact: the Vikings and their descentends ruled the most parts of the european continent for more than 500 years. And until king John Lackland the french had no chance to claim the Normandy. All what the French where able to do trough the whole history was to steal from others if these where in a weakened state.

It dumb to believe any european country should have any claims on others territories and this was the reason because we were keep fighting two world wars with no real winner in the end. But hey,maybe Germany should rebuild their armys and get back its Lorraine territory.

 

[Red Night]

Before the Viking invaded France maybe,but after it was nothing more than a scandinavian State with a Viking as ruler. Same counts for England. The greatest king of England,Wilhelm the Conquerer had scandinavian blood and was an descentant to Rollo. It's a historical fact: the Vikings and their descentends ruled the most parts of the european continent for more than 500 years. And until king John Lackland the french had no chance to claim the Normandy. All what the French where able to do trough the whole history was to steal from others if these where in a weakened state.

It dumb to believe any european country should have any claims on others territories and this was the reason because we were keep fighting two world wars with no real winner in the end. But hey,maybe Germany should rebuild their armys and get back its Lorraine territory.

I would have invade the first moment they want to have it back.

There are almost no viking descent in Normandy and England.

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German claim for Lorraine goes back to foundation of Lotharingia. And it was annexed by Germans in 1870 war

Lotharingia was not the same entity that Germany. Germany only exists since 1871.