Future Events Shanks will lose to Kid, only the new era matter

[Apollo]

I mean, he IS that stupid and he IS doing that in regards to Kaido, considering Rocks' lore more important than delving into the backstory of the guy who made G5 possible.

But.

Shanks is different. He won't suffer the same shortsighted treatment simply because of how much plot rests on his shoulders.

There is a difference though, there are many characters around that can give us Rocks lore. Garp was there himself on God Valley and he'll be going to Beehive soon. Shanks was also taken by Roger on God Valley so there is another chance to explain it there.

There is no other way to explain Shanks' origin except for Shanks or maybe the Gorosei, and quite frankly Shanks is much more central to our narrative than the Rocks duo.

 

[Sugoi]

You dont even have to go that far. This scene (or even the one from 903) would have absolutely no meaning if Shanks loses here. It actually just doesnt work:

that scene is the reason why shanks wants to fight kid, thats the purpose. Kaido and big mom also said they would try to find the one piece and take over the world. Did they succeed? of course not, thats doesnt mean the scene has "no meaning" because it showed us that kaido and big mom had the intention of trying to get the one piece

 

[Sir Yasheen]

no he is not, blackbeard is luffys greatest pirate antagonist but not rival
kid and law are luffys rivals, they progress through the story at the same rate
blackbeard already killed a yonko pretimeskip and became a yonko right after, his journey is not relative to luffys at all
rivals always come after antagonists
like naruto vs sasuke battle happens after all the enemies are defeated first

No. He’s a rival. Blackbeard has literally been the second most influential character in the manga since paradise.

Don’t even compare kid or laws relationship with Luffy to Naruto and Sasuke. Kids more like shiba lmao

 

[Alter]

I'm pretty confident that Kid will show some feat.
But he won't beat Shanks, at least not now

 

[Sugoi]

No. He’s a rival. Blackbeard has literally been the second most influential character in the manga since paradise.

Don’t even compare kid or laws relationship with Luffy to Naruto and Sasuke. Kids more like shiba lmao

yeah "rivals" and haven't even came across eachother once after the timeskip...

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Oda didn't even have Kid first mate defeat a commander but Kid Pirates without allies are totally going to defeat a fresh emperor crew + fighters from the strongest kingdom because le new gen
Lol

 

[Paperchampion23]

that scene is the reason why shanks wants to fight kid, thats the purpose. Kaido and big mom also said they would try to find the one piece and take over the world. Did they succeed? of course not, thats doesnt mean the scene has "no meaning" because it showed us that kaido and big mom had the intention of trying to get the one piece

The scene has absolutely nothing to do with Kid lmao.

 

[Borasey79]

Hmm, technically the only part of Kaido's FB that was skipped was Rocks lore though. Its coming, just not with Kaido

Technically, there was nothing to Kaidos FB. He is a strong kid and the king sells him to the Navy, boohoo. It's an outline, not a backstory. Everything important will be shown later on, in fact deflating Wano's last fight of the much needed worldwide connection.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

yeah "rivals" and haven't even came across eachother once after the timeskip...

Yet the impact the two have had on one another is one of the plots main driving forces. Naruto and Sasuke only met twice post timeskip before the great ninja war too lmao.

 

[Sugoi]

Oda didn't even have Kid first mate defeat a commander but Kid Pirates without allies are totally going to defeat a fresh emperor crew + fighters from the strongest kingdom because le new gen
Lol

Why would killer want to waste his time with a commander for? He was going to fight big mom, only reason he didnt was because hawkins got in their way. Anyways, now is a time where killer fighting a commander would make sense as kids crew are confronting red hair pirates

 

[Borasey79]

There is a difference though, there are many characters around that can give us Rocks lore. Garp was there himself on God Valley and he'll be going to Beehive soon. Shanks was also taken by Roger on God Valley so there is another chance to explain it there.

There is no other way to explain Shanks' origin except for Shanks or maybe the Gorosei, and quite frankly Shanks is much more central to our narrative than the Rocks duo.

Oda can find any fodder to deliver lore. But meaningful lore becomes all the more resonant when it's delivered at the right time in regards to the right character.

Any fuckhead can now tell us that Kaido was a WG experiment. But it was only while Kaido was struggling against G5 Luffy that that info was at its most interesting. Having it not been delivered then, that fight became anticlimatic, an whatever new revelation now about Kaido will have the taste of an afterthought and will be linked to Rocks, or his crew, and not to Kaido himself.

There is worldbuilding lore and char building lore. The former is impersonal if interesting. The latter is more engaging because of the 1to1 mirroring with the reader.
Deliver world via char and you have the jackpot. Thats what most pre Ennies Lobby arcs would do, and thats what made them great.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Shanks and Blackbeard are tied to each other, either both lose to the "new gen" or they both win

 

[Gintoki]

For someone who needed help to beat BM and Kaido I doubt that Kid will beat Shanks.

Especially Solo...
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Kidd is capable of damaging and breaking multiple bones of a Yonko even without ACoC and it will only go up from here:cheers:

Kidd unlocking ACoC along with his Awakening and he'll be a powerhouse

 

[Pantheos]

Kidd is capable of damaging and breaking multiple bones of a Yonko even without ACoC and it will only go up from here:cheers:

Kidd unlocking ACoC along with his Awakening and he'll be a powerhouse

i don’t get how this even an argument against kid.
„He didn’t beat a yonko alone before, he can’t do now.“ is as nonsense as „he lost against shanks before, that’s why he will again.“

so what? It’s a shounen, Kid has shown he is growing permanently, like luffy. Having beaten a yonko before with another fighter (Law) together means exactly this:
The next step is to beat an yonko solo.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

It's appalling how even after 4 years, fans still do not understand the main theme of Wano. “Kid and law aren’t relevant, luffy will fight big mom in Elbaf”...LMAO. Then what did they do? Move the goalpost of course. Then it was “Kid and law won’t be relevant AFTER wano”...then oda goes ahead and gives them another yonko to fight each LMAO. Yall just dont get it. And i'll tell you why you were wrong and why you will continue to be wrong for the rest of the series

Wano was meant to mark the BEGINNING of the new era taking over the seas and running the world. Key word is BEGINNING. The older generation being surpassed by the younger generation is a very common trope in shounen but it seems that it’s only this fanbase that can't accept it because people are so obsessed with top tiers. Ironically, even SHANKS HIMSELF understands this yet his deluded fanboys do not.

“Shanks is more relevant that kid”, yeah nope. Kid is the one that defeated a yonko and destroyed the balance of the world, not shanks. Shanks hasn’t changed anything. Its the new era that are making the world spin.

Only the worst generation are contenders for the pirate king title. If someone aint worst generation, then they aint relevant for the race of PK, simple as that. Thats exactly why big mom and kaido were wiped out despite having plans for the one piece themselves. Oh so now shanks want the one piece? Well just like kaido and big mom, he aint worst generation, so hes going to be taken out of the race too. Shanks will lose and Kid will take his yonko position, which will finally mean all the og yonko have been taken out, making all the yonkos be from the worst generation except buggy. Only reason buggy will be an exception is because he is a gag.


The role of the old era and current era is to be hype tools for the new era. All stationary characters have to give way to the dynamic characters. Shanks is a stationary character that has plateaued years ago while kid is a dynamic character whose story is just beginning, starting with finding the mysterious man in bandages. Kid is the one growing and getting stronger, not shanks. “Kid can't beat shanks because shanks are stronger than kid”. I can't believe people actually think this would even be relevant lol. Its like people just forgot they are reading a shounen. Even if kid is weaker then he will just get stronger during the fight and win. Shanks has already peaked, hes not getting any stronger.

The fight will follow the usual shounen formula

Phase 1 (create tension): Oda will show us the power of Shanks and why he has been hyped for so long. Shanks will have the upper hand, he will be outclassing kid, oda will make it look like kid is doomed. Shanks fanboys will take the bait like the big mom fanboys and think this means shanks is going to win

Phase 2 (power up): Kid will use/unlock advanced conquerors and stop holding back any abilities he has up his sleeve. The fight will start to even out

Phase 3 (resolution): Kid starts to overpower shanks and defeats him.
Shanks is aware that only the new era can change the world. His role is to maintain peace and balance in the world until the new era come forth. Thats why he stopped marienford war. Thats why he chased greenbull away. After shanks loses to kid, shanks will be confident that the new era can do it.

Here's a message to all the deluded kid and law haters

Will tag you when kid dies

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What?

Shanks is the middle child.
He was not from Kaido or Whitebeard era.

Whitebeard and Roger were shown fighting at full strength when Shanks was still a kid.
One more thing, Shanks is younger (39) than Marco (45).

So, old gen thing dont apply to Shanks. Find a new excuse, I will debunk it.

Shanks is younger than Blackbeard, and Blackbeard is worst gen.

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Luffy already surpassed shanks in strength, by defeating someone confirmed stronger than shanks. What luffy is talking about is surpassing shanks as a pirate and getting a better crew than him. This is not like Zoro vs Mihawk. Luffy is now a yonko, but shanks is also a yonko, which means as a pirate, luffy and shanks are on the same level. For luffy to become a greater pirate, he will need to get the title above yonko which is pirate king. Kid defeating shanks wont make him PK, it will just make him a yonko.

Yeah kaido is confirmed stronger than shanks that's why he hallucinated shanks as the central figure in the group of "guys who can beat me" including Whitebeard and Rocks

 

[Natalija]

“Shanks is more relevant that kid”, yeah nope. Kid is the one that defeated a yonko and destroyed the balance of the world, not shanks.

Not fully correct, Kidd and Law defeated Big Mom together, and Law was the one who carried a lot. On their own, neither Law or Kidd can defeat a Yonko. Moreover Kidd lost an arm without even meeting Shanks, he did not power up whatsoever since then.

And yas, Shanks is a million times more relevant, if he was to be defeated here, Luffy will have nothing to look forward to.

None of them are going to die or leave the story, but Shanks won't be defeated.

 

[Tai long]

yeah "rivals" and haven't even came across eachother once after the timeskip...

Same could be said for kid pre wano

 

[Pantheos]

Not fully correct, Kidd and Law defeated Big Mom together, and Law was the one who carried a lot.

They both carried the same amount.

On their own, neither Law or Kidd can defeat a Yonko. Moreover Kidd lost an arm without even meeting Shanks, he did not power up whatsoever since then.

Oehm... what? But you know Shounen-Mangas right, Nat?
Between losing an arm to Shanks crew came alot of content which each bring usualy (shounenwise) power ups with it, as "Raiding WCI and fought one of the Sweet Commanders", "building an alliance", "fighting against Kaido and lose", "whole Wano arc", "fighting against Kaido on Rooftop" and "fighting Big Mum with Law together".
Thats like comparing pre TS Luffy with post Onigashima Luffy and expecting him to "not power up whatsoever since then".
Look alone on Law, what powerjump he has done between Big Mum and Blackbeard.
Very strange take here Nat, very strange.

And yas, Shanks is a million times more relevant, if he was to be defeated here, Luffy will have nothing to look forward to.

Shanks is more relevant in a complete different way as Kid is. Shanks relevance further has nothing to do with his strength or being unbeaten. He was a mentor, meeting him was a goal, give him the hat back when Luffy reaches his goals. But this doesnt include fighting Shanks or having him unbeaten at all.

None of them are going to die or leave the story, but Shanks won't be defeated.

None of them are going to die or leave the story, exactly, but Shanks will be defeated.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

shanks will be defeated by luffy

 

[Natalija]

They both carried the same amount.


Oehm... what? But you know Shounen-Mangas right, Nat?
Between losing an arm to Shanks crew came alot of content which each bring usualy (shounenwise) power ups with it, as "Raiding WCI and fought one of the Sweet Commanders", "building an alliance", "fighting against Kaido and lose", "whole Wano arc", "fighting against Kaido on Rooftop" and "fighting Big Mum with Law together".
Thats like comparing pre TS Luffy with post Onigashima Luffy and expecting him to "not power up whatsoever since then".
Look alone on Law, what powerjump he has done between Big Mum and Blackbeard.
Very strange take here Nat, very strange.


Shanks is more relevant in a complete different way as Kid is. Shanks relevance further has nothing to do with his strength or being unbeaten. He was a mentor, meeting him was a goal, give him the hat back when Luffy reaches his goals. But this doesnt include fighting Shanks or having him unbeaten at all.



None of them are going to die or leave the story, exactly, but Shanks will be defeated.

We already seen him fight in Wano after losing an arm. He showed nothing new whatsoever, and both he and Law went all out.

Law hasn't done anything new either since Wano, except for using awakening faster (he was more rested) and knowing to use haki against a devil fruit (not the first time he used haki though). And Law is not winning against Blackbeard either, you need to get your fanboy heart in order.


Nope, for Shanks to be there when Luffy becomes a greater pirate, he has to be involved in the chase for one piece as well. He is finally on the move, if you think this is where he gets defeated after finally doing something, you're gonna be very disappointed.