Future Events Shanks will lose to Kid, only the new era matter
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Whats odd is the same argument regarding Law being an ally and only having relevance to Luffy as an ally is just weirdly not being applied to Kid. Kid has not been portrayed in any other way but an ally to Luffy.
Law and Kid also have to lose at some point. Defeating their opponents here will just mean they lose to Luffy anyway, which is virtually pointless to see because:
A) Luffy defeated an enemy they couldnt defeat (Doflamingo/Kaido)
B) Neither have crews that remotely stack up against him.
C) Theres nothing truly secret or surprising about their fighting styles, unlike BB and Shanks, who have not been shown actually fighting to the brink. Oda showed us their moves and awakenings already. Conquerors really isnt going to change anything to alter the dynamic of a fight.
D) They will still be allies in the EoS anyway
Better for them to go out fighting 2 of Oda's most important characters over them losing to the "Luffy show" as people will end up calling it.
Law and Kid also have to lose at some point. Defeating their opponents here will just mean they lose to Luffy anyway, which is virtually pointless to see because:
A) Luffy defeated an enemy they couldnt defeat (Doflamingo/Kaido)
B) Neither have crews that remotely stack up against him.
C) Theres nothing truly secret or surprising about their fighting styles, unlike BB and Shanks, who have not been shown actually fighting to the brink. Oda showed us their moves and awakenings already. Conquerors really isnt going to change anything to alter the dynamic of a fight.
D) They will still be allies in the EoS anyway
Better for them to go out fighting 2 of Oda's most important characters over them losing to the "Luffy show" as people will end up calling it.
Who said that? Its just your conclusion, or the conclusion of many. But we all had alot of conclusions which didnt came true, like it would be Luffy beating Big Mum. Surprise, he didnt. Why exactly does Shanks have to fall through Blackbeards hands?
It would literally fit BBs characterization and his whole plot if he uses the defeat of Shanks to take him down finally. This is literally Blackbeards plot the whole story. Doing it again would coherent writing as it best.
It would literally fit BBs characterization and his whole plot if he uses the defeat of Shanks to take him down finally. This is literally Blackbeards plot the whole story. Doing it again would coherent writing as it best.
"This is shonen and 1 vs 1 is next after 2 vs 1" is not an argument though. Nothing good awaits Law and Kidd, especially since no time has passed since the 2 vs 1 for them to progress at all.
Luffy also said he wants to beat Big Mom and nothing came of it technically. One is Kidd's perspective, and the other is narrative reasoning, which in this case is the poneglyphs.
Scenario: Kidd beats Shanks, what is the result of this? Kidd gains nothing but more fame I guess, Shanks gains nothing. Then they would have met for no reason, that's not possible.
Luffy also said he wants to beat Big Mom and nothing came of it technically. One is Kidd's perspective, and the other is narrative reasoning, which in this case is the poneglyphs.
Scenario: Kidd beats Shanks, what is the result of this? Kidd gains nothing but more fame I guess, Shanks gains nothing. Then they would have met for no reason, that's not possible.
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This scene literally cannot exist without intent to get the RPs.
This scene literally cannot exist without intent to get the RPs.
Its a plot which came up suddenly, without any mentioning before. Why didnt claimed Shanks any (!) of the RPs before? Why going against Big Mum to take it? Why not taking it from Kaido? But suddenly he wants it AND he doesnt take it in wano where Kid, Luffy and Law could be easy targets to get it? Fishy, very very fishy.
I’m not sure Kid will even able to hold on to the Road Poneglyph copy he has if Shanks is going after that.
How is that not an argument? One Piece is following basic Shounen rules, it initiated them pretty much. Like Luffy beat up Katakuri and went for Kaido in about... how much days? The same happens here with Kid and Law. It always happens in shounen. Doffy - Katakuri - Kaido... heck we can pull up every fight of luffy or any other person in the crew (beside timeskip) and always have just a few days inbetween.
So, how is that not argument?
The narrative reasoning about Shanks getting poneglyphs and going for the PK title doesnt exist. NOBODY has claimed it in 25 years, before shanks suddenly says it x chapters ago (dont want to count, but its not even 15 chapters ago). There is no narrative in which this has to take place, it doesnt even makes sense from beginn with. Remember the confusion when the chapter dropped? Nobody expects it and narrative wise, it still makes no sense. Or where was the narrative >15 chapters ago?
Kidd gets his major power up, CoC mastery.
Kidd gets Yonko title.
Kidd gets presented as strong warrior on elbaf, additionally for him getting the aknowledgement for taking Big Mum down, so he gets territory and allies ("Grand Fleet).
He most likely would get the full fetched Yonko title.
Shanks would be put in the perfect position for Blackbeard coming for his head, like BB did with Whitebeard.
Shanks would get his confidence in the new generation, like Whitebeard got with Ace/Luffy.
Shanks would get his place as mentor for the new generation, not only for Luffy.
....
Alot of reason for both of them here.
So, how is that not argument?
The narrative reasoning about Shanks getting poneglyphs and going for the PK title doesnt exist. NOBODY has claimed it in 25 years, before shanks suddenly says it x chapters ago (dont want to count, but its not even 15 chapters ago). There is no narrative in which this has to take place, it doesnt even makes sense from beginn with. Remember the confusion when the chapter dropped? Nobody expects it and narrative wise, it still makes no sense. Or where was the narrative >15 chapters ago?
Kidd gets his major power up, CoC mastery.
Kidd gets Yonko title.
Kidd gets presented as strong warrior on elbaf, additionally for him getting the aknowledgement for taking Big Mum down, so he gets territory and allies ("Grand Fleet).
He most likely would get the full fetched Yonko title.
Shanks would be put in the perfect position for Blackbeard coming for his head, like BB did with Whitebeard.
Shanks would get his confidence in the new generation, like Whitebeard got with Ace/Luffy.
Shanks would get his place as mentor for the new generation, not only for Luffy.
....
Alot of reason for both of them here.