General & Others One Piece Criticism : Valid or Overblown ?

[Homelander]

An honest opinion from user , i have seen some of the user were openly critical of oden's arc , but this is not the case we have seen reader were visibly unhappy in WCI , Dressrossa Arc as well . Even in current chapter i have been reading people complaining about pound being alive and criticizing onigashima settings etc .

- What according to you is oda not upto the mark in the yonko saga ?
- Are these complains genuine or just to malign one piece manga ? (I have seen pattern in Naruto and other mangas as well)

Please this is open opinion , Is criticism over blown or Fan are complaining way too much ?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

An honest opinion from user , i have seen some of the user were openly critical of oden's arc , but this is not the case we have seen reader were visibly unhappy in WCI , Dressrossa Arc as well . Even in current chapter i have seen people complaining about pound being alive and criticizing onigashima settings .

- What according to you is oda not upto the mark in the yonko saga ?
- Are these complains genuine or just to malign one piece manga ? (I have seen pattern in Naruto and other mangas as well)

Please this is open opinion , Is criticism over blown or Fan are complaining way too much ?

Can’t respond in full at the moment, but I’ve always believed that art as a subjective medium means no kind or amount of criticism is inherently unwarranted. Opinions will always differ on creative works, and whatever you feel about a piece (this One in particular) is every bit as valid as the next person, whether or not they agree with you.

 

[Homelander]

Can’t respond in full at the moment, but I’ve always believed that art as a subjective medium means no kind or amount of criticism is inherently unwarranted. Opinions will always differ on creative works, and whatever you feel about a piece (this One in particular) is every bit as valid as the next person, whether or not they agree with you.

I agree criticism must be constructive . For example i didnt like bege's cover story . It was really bad and there was no real story other than uniting lola annd chiffon .

This cover story could have been better in my opinion , even @Sadistic Senpai has made detailed analysis on this and we agreed Bege's coverstory was the worst cover since timeskip .

 

[stealthblack]

pre ts was better then post ts. post ts has just way too many characters for oda to handle them all, and crew is split all the time

 

[Patryipe]

Both of course.

There's obviously pathetic and overblown criticism, but at the same time you have some Oda apologist who would wet themselves if he put out some blank pages that whine that it is the readers' fault for being incompetent lol.

 

[Just a member]

I have seen the thead about Pound and I agree totally on how that kind of bullshit is irritating (show a character almost die on panel, with everuthing suggesting it bar yhe dead body, yet you have all yhe reasons to believe such character is dead plus a bit of a requiem for the said character and emotional drama comes next to have then them completely gine a certain number of chapters later) or at least it was but now I take it as a characteristic of Oda and I have accpeted it, I know he will not change so I simply roll the eyes a couple of time when he is buildin the character sad death.

Anyway criticism is never bad if it is based on facts. And of course it has also to be based on preferences because for some people this is irritating while for some others it is conpletely fine and the same can be said for every small issue to the bigget ones. Examples like Sanji in WCI come to mind, how Oda build his character through the arc imo was nice and good bit some other people, even Sanji fans, were heavily against that because he got no feats/fights but just baking a cake. Every criticism is subjective but as long as it has a background it is welvome for me. Also the Pound thread had 4 or 5 pages at best so only a small portion of the fandom actually took interest in the matter.

Also if something happens in other mangas it doesn't mean for me that it is fine to do it in OP too. For me Naruto is a mess especially in part 4 so if considering that something is fine because Naruto has done it too for me is wrong (subjective criticism :p).

@dirtyLarry You see, coming from pointing out in the Pound thread how a lot of people doesn't care or even like that kind of development there is indeed people who thinks that that criticism was too much.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

WEEEEEDDDDIIINNNNNNG CAKE
anyone saying it was a good plot must be an alien

 

[Shura]

How about both??....there is a valid criticism and overblown criticism......

 

[Paperchampion23]

Its a mixture. The incessant complaining in the spoiler thread weekly is overblown, but overall complaints about story flow/arc length is merited. I have a feeling Wano definitely won't satisfy everyone, and am currently questioning if either Yonko will go down this arc (their crews will). On one hand it may continue to build Luffy into a Yonko level pirate without overdoing it, on the other it's yet another arc building up Luffy to Yonko level that we spent years on.

 

[Homelander]

I have seen the thead about Pound and I agree totally on how that kind of bullshit is irritating (show a character almost die on panel, with everuthing suggesting it bar yhe dead body, yet you have all yhe reasons to believe such character is dead plus a bit of a requiem for the said character and emotional drama comes next to have then them completely gine a certain number of chapters later) or at least it was but now I take it as a characteristic of Oda and I have accpeted it, I know he will not change so I simply roll the eyes a couple of time when he is buildin the character sad death.

Anyway criticism is never bad if it is based on facts. And of course it has also to be based on preferences because for some people this is irritating while for some others it is conpletely fine and the same can be said for every small issue to the bigget ones. Examples like Sanji in WCI come to mind, how Oda build his character through the arc imo was nice and good bit some other people, even Sanji fans, were heavily against that because he got no feats/fights but just baking a cake. Every criticism is subjective but as long as it has a background it is welvome for me. Also the Pound thread had 4 or 5 pages at best so only a small portion of the fandom actually took interest in the matter.

Also if something happens in other mangas it doesn't mean for me that it is fine to do it in OP too. For me Naruto is a mess especially in part 4 so if considering that something is fine because Naruto has done it too for me is wrong (subjective criticism :p).

@dirtyLarry You see, coming from pointing out in the Pound thread how a lot of people doesn't care or even like that kind of development there is indeed people who thinks that that criticism was too much.

Actually i never really understood the point of pound's comeback . His character was done when he sacrificed his life for chiffon's safety .

Unless he has more bigger role to play i dont see that happening quite frankly pound being alive certainly angered most one piece fans in general . I honestly dont think we should compare to Pell , Pell is one of the best characters from albasta unfortunately no one cares for pound .

 

[Natalija]

The bigger the fandom, the more polarizing negative and positive opinions become. They feed off each other and so become more "aggressive". This is all normal, it comes to show that One Piece is a giant.

Not having flaws is impossible after all, it's a miracle Oda has this few tbf.

 

[Shura]

The bigger the fandom, the more polarizing negative and positive opinions become. They feed off each other and so become more "aggressive". This is all normal, it comes to show that One Piece is a giant.

Not having flaws is impossible after all, it's a miracle Oda has this few tbf.

yeah, this fandom is very big that is impossible to satisfy everyone......

 

[JerAx]

A valid criticism is one that features counter argument or some kind.

"but people doesnt have to be able to cook to be able to criticize a food"
doesn't guarantee your criticism is valid, has any merit, or even accurate coming from an amateur.

that movie critic scene from birdman come to mind

As what the internet's opinion, its mostly shit sadly, as does these social media hot takes about life in general.

 

[SHIHI]

The main thing I dislike is the lack of tension, even though they are up against two emperors.

Just compare this

Spoiler

To this

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with context ofc.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Some criticism is earned by Oda. Especially those on the last 2 arcs. I've noticed a lot of people who do say One Piece has fallen downhill tend to speak very highly of the earlier arcs and sagas. So it's not like it's straight hate for the sake of it, or wanting to be a contrarian.

The main thing I dislike is the lack of tension, even though they are up against two emperors.

Just compare this

Spoiler

To this

Spoiler

with context ofc.

God. HxH looks so bad.

 

[Just a member]

Actually i never really understood the point of pound's comeback . His character was done when he sacrificed his life for chiffon's safety .

Unless he has more bigger role to play i dont see that happening quite frankly pound being alive certainly angered most one piece fans in general . I honestly dont think we should compare to Pell , Pell is one of the best characters from albasta unfortunately no one cares for pound .

Imo Oda doesn't do that because he has a role for that character to play (see Pell but even Bon Chan) he simply does that because he doesn't like to kill his characters if it is not strictly necessary (like to create all the epic Marineford plotline, if now he brought back Ace and WB 99% of OP fans would spit at him so he knows what he is doing but with lesser characters he has not kill he simply tries to avoid it, for me the thumb rule is the dead body or how big the aftermath of that dead is).

Even if we left Pell out we have still Bon Chan (mr 2), him dying in order to let the SH escape Impel down fully and reach Marineford would have been a magnificent dead (he was seen operating from Impel down control room discguised as a guard when Magellan comes in and all ends with him taking a battle stance and Magellan staring at him angrly) but instread we see him later (many many chapters later) ruling the Impel down level 5.5 instead of the escaped Ivankov.

The problem with all this is that Oda is pretty much seeling you smoke: you should be sad/ angered for the character dead and Oda builds on that situation a lot to provoke the drama just think about Pound and how he say his goodbye to his daughter and nephew who are leaving the island safely because of him then Oven mercylellsly slicing him from behind, the big figure and then the bloodied sword. These are images very heavy and make the reader involved with the situation and feel Pound... yet some time later it is revealed he is alive when he was rpetty much shown dead and had all the readers worried and shed tears for the poor daddy Pound. It is like him saying "Oh nevermind that, that was just a joke" after he builded on the situation so much. Then there is the chapter 900 thing which is even worse.

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

The main thing I dislike is the lack of tension, even though they are up against two emperors.

Just compare this

Spoiler

To this

Spoiler

with context ofc.

Different shows, different way of storytelling.

Just because Togashi put the tension moments this way doesn't means Oda has to follow the same path.

The way Oda tells his stroy is different. He likes to take things lightely until situation get very critically dangerous, this is one of the things one piece is famous for from the beginning not justnow. Everyone will get serious once the risk get high during the fights just like it happend in Alabasta and Enies Lobby.

 

[Natalija]

Some criticism is earned by Oda. Especially those on the last 2 arcs.

Yeah, sure, not saying it's undeserved always. I don't know what's the drama about the last two arcs, if you ask me Fish-Man Island kicks them all out of the park. WCI was all types of fun, but I guess it's about preference.

 

[Shura]

The main thing I dislike is the lack of tension, even though they are up against two emperors.

Just compare this

Spoiler

To this

Spoiler

with context ofc.

different context....the big fights always starts with light moments in One Piece....you can see how all the arcs worked .....but things will become very serious once every character is set with their respective opponents.....

 

[Natalija]

Different shows, different way of storytelling.

Just because Togashi put the tension moments this way doesn't means Oda has to follow the same path.

The way Oda tells his stroy is different. He likes to take things lightely until situation get very critically dangerous, this is one of the things one piece is famous for from the beginning not justnow. Everyone will get serious once the risk get high during the fights just like it happend in Alabasta and Enies Lobby.

Yeah, I totally agree with this. Like there was any tension like that in One Piece to start with, it's not what Oda does.