General & Others One Piece Criticism : Valid or Overblown ?

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

The pre timeskip and post timeskip issue is subjective and I feel like most of it influenced by nostalgia more than the quality of story.

I myself love pre time just like everyone but stories back then were small comapred to the giant stroy that Oda is trying to make since the time skip which he started building it since Fishman Island arc and I believe it will end in Wano.

Basically I think Fishman Island til Wano is a one whole Saga that cover the stroy of the strawhats against yonkos. Just like what Mr Morj said it in one of his videos.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I agree criticism must be constructive . For example i didnt like bege's cover story . It was really bad and there was no real story other than uniting lola annd chiffon .

This cover story could have been better in my opinion , even @Sadistic Senpai has made detailed analysis on this and we agreed Bege's coverstory was the worst cover since timeskip .

WRONG, Actually it's worst cover story in entirety of the series... not just after timeskip LOL
Brace yourselves for extra 10 chapters with this NEVER ENDING cover story

 

[Lunaria]

The pre timeskip and post timeskip issue is subjective and I feel like most of it influenced by nostalgia more than the quality of story.

I myself love pre time just like everyone but stories back then were small comapred to the giant stroy that Oda is trying to make since the time skip which he started building it since Fishman Island arc and I believe it will end in Wano.

Basically I think Fishman Island til Wano is a one whole Saga that cover the stroy of the strawhats against yonkos. Just like what Mr Morj said it in one of his videos.

Yes, I think that’s definitely part of the problem. People get older so they miss the old times when they were young and OP was still a new, fresh story from their perspective. That’s probably why they feel like the post skip story and its tone/mechanics are drastically different while those aspects actually remain largely unchanged.

 

[Natalija]

Yes, I think that’s definitely part of the problem. People get older so they miss the old times when they were young and OP was still a new, fresh story from their perspective. That’s probably why they feel like the post skip story and its tone/mechanics are drastically different while those aspects actually remain largely unchanged.

Yeah. Also they get older and want to see deaths everywhere (me too, of course), but it just ain't going to happen and we've got to come to terms with it.

 

[SHIHI]

@Luffy the Yonko Slayer
@Shura
You both are right I guess, I think Togashi’s tension feels real, to me at least.

 

[Uncle Van]

There is both valid and overblown criticism. There is also both valid and overblown praise. What people dont realize is that critics can give positive feedback on anything but the deifiniton of the word is completely tied to negativity.

No matter who the person is, they are judging something positively or negatively based on their personal standards no matter how little bias there is.

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

Yes, I think that’s definitely part of the problem. People get older so they miss the old times when they were young and OP was still a new, fresh story from their perspective. That’s probably why they feel like the post skip story and its tone/mechanics are drastically different while those aspects actually remain largely unchanged.

Yes, old one piece fans are getting older and their taste might either changed to more mature type of stroy which one piece doesn't follow or the taste stayed the same and they want the same pre tiemskip one piece storytelling type which though still exist but Oda made it bigger. The only thing changed is more outside characters involved because the greater story requires it and the comedic aspect which is less than before but still there.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

An honest opinion from user , i have seen some of the user were openly critical of oden's arc , but this is not the case we have seen reader were visibly unhappy in WCI , Dressrossa Arc as well . Even in current chapter i have been reading people complaining about pound being alive and criticizing onigashima settings etc .

- What according to you is oda not upto the mark in the yonko saga ?
- Are these complains genuine or just to malign one piece manga ? (I have seen pattern in Naruto and other mangas as well)

Please this is open opinion , Is criticism over blown or Fan are complaining way too much ?

Regarding this thread
The complaints are justified and have points.... Regardless if they are a bit excessive sometimes.. but this is due to the passion for this series... where we viewers are slowly losing interest in the series... and our passion are fading away because this is what Oda is doing right now:

1- He sets up a plot which he HYPES... and make us very interested, very intrigued, VERY HYPED to see it PAYED OFF...

2- He cuts away from it... or tease the pay off... of whatever... trying to make us yearn for that PAY OFF to be shown....

3- HE KNOWS.. this bastard Writer KNOWS FULL WELL we as viewers want to see those things...

4- The more he teases us... the more distant his plot becomes from paying off that previous plot... where storywise... we are so advanced that we are slowly LESS CARING about that pay off because we are looking forward to OTHER PLOTS that happened that needs to be payed off

5- By the time he goes back to that previous plot he set up early to pay it off... we ALREADY LOST INTEREST IN SEEING IT.... because now our interest is in the pay-off of those RECENT SET UPS that we are hyped for...... or what's worse... he basically does the pay off.... but OFF-SCREENED... or let the narrator talks about it... or some fodder side character say the answer we wanted to hear....

Like TOTAL DOUCHBAG writing.... where he purposely teases us with what we want to see... but never actually pays it off... never grant us the prize for the patient waiting we had for the plot to be resolved.....

This is what One Piece has been (from Dressrosa till now in Wano)

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

Yeah. Also they get older and want to see deaths everywhere (me too, of course), but it just ain't going to happen and we've got to come to terms with it.

One of the very few things that I want Oda to change is the death aspect because not only he doesn't kill much (though I don't like excessive deaths like in GOT or Breaking Bad) but when he does certain death moments that are so beautifully done like Pell, Pound and Mr 2, he doesn't keep them dead rather he brings miraculously alive. This is something should change cuz I don't see even the reason for bringing those three mentioned back a live after their great sacrifice.

 

[bennbeckman]

The one thing I loved a lot more in Pre TS than Post, is the amount of traveling and new islands they visited, it was always in an adventure like Pirates, now in the last 10 years or OP they have been to a total of 6 islands

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The one thing that does in my mind make up for it a little in Wano, is the art work and the details are amazing

 

[Natalija]

One of the very few things that I want Oda to change is the death aspect because not only he doesn't kill much (though I don't like excessive deaths like in GOT or Breaking Bad) but when he does certain death moments that are so beautifully done like Pell, Pound and Mr 2, he doesn't keep them dead rather he brings miraculously alive. This is something should change cuz I don't see even the reason for bringing those three mentioned back a live after their great sacrifice.

That's what I meant. Of course they should be killed off, he knows this too, but he is making a conscious and business decision not to. And that will simply not change ever.

I don't care for random characters like Pell or Pound, but Mr 2 had such a long and beautiful story arc, and if he died it would have been worth it. Alas.

 

[Jackteo]

It's not our fault if Wano has been the worst arc of One Piece till now and WCI had a terrible ending.

Zoro promised to gather the samurai for Luffy and not only he couldn't do that, but he hadn't a single panel leading his part of the crew. Then he passed 50 chapters of Wano doing nothing but travelling and he ended up defeating a weakened (almost) ally who was up after 3 chapters.
He received Enma without a reason and then started and finished his training in a couple of panels.

Franky couldn't find the blueprints.
Nami's mission was useless.
Robin's was offpanelled.
Brook, Usopp Chopper did basically nothing and Sanji did something we will never know at this rate but we know it was useless.

The never ending flashback - the longest and the most boring ever- and Luffy's training against fodders slowed down the pace so much we have yet to enter the fighting part of the arc (the first with true fights after 12 or more years).

Big Mom plot was awful and Queen's and Luffy defeats were so fast and easy that anything Luffy is going to do to win against Kaido will make the fight the most absurd in the serie, no matter who helps him since Kid and Law are themself far weaker than Luffy.

Kinemon's luck or Pound being alive make everything even worse

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

That's what I meant. Of course they should be killed off, he knows this too, but he is making a conscious and business decision not to. And that will simply not change ever.

I don't care for random characters like Pell or Pound, but Mr 2 had such a long and beautiful story arc, and if he died it would have been worth it. Alas.

I agree Pound wasn;t that important for me either but I liked his sacrifice for his daughter.

Pell in the other hand, Of course Pell as a character isn't worth mentioning except for his design but his death moment when he looked at Vivi with a big brother caring eyes and then done what he had done. That death was so beautifull and should've stayed

 

[Jew D. Boy]

WRONG, Actually it's worst cover story in entirety of the series... not just after timeskip LOL
Brace yourselves for extra 10 chapters with this NEVER ENDING cover story

I have said pretty much every chapter for the last dozen that this is Oda’s worst cover story with a bullet. Even the bullshit with Ace helping that milk maid and whatever the fuck Jinbe was doing in his had more bearing on the plot - or at least had SOME sort of point - than anything we’ve seen with Oh (Who Cares About) My Family

 

[Chrono]

Erm....aside from this chapter the Bege Coverstory has been solid. And now hes gonna rejoin with everyone in Wano

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Until Zou, post-TS mostly suffered from structural problems, rather than content-wise (except a few minor blunders). Zou was a really good, fully packed breather, and then WCI started with a very rich setting but the entire logic went down the drain in that arc. People say it was only the latter half but the entire premise of WCI is ridiculous.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I have said pretty much every chapter for the last dozen that this is Oda’s worst cover story with a bullet. Even the bullshit with Ace helping that milk maid and whatever the fuck Jinbe was doing in his had more bearing on the plot - or at least had SOME sort of point - than anything we’ve seen with Oh (Who Cares About) My Family

Man... Jinbe befriended Wadatsumi... found Poneglyph... so there is a FUCKING POINT behind all of this.... Wadatsumi came in clutch during WCI destroying MANY SHIPS FLEETS when the Sunny was surrounded.... he had big role in SAVING THE SUNNY from being destroyed when he replaced Sunny with Sun Pirates ship... and was hiding them in his mouth...

The Poneglyph was handed from Jinbe to Big Mom as a parting gift... Brook stole a rubbing of it along with other two poneglyph

Ace's cover story was actually him looking AFTER BLACKBEARD... and it paid off by him meeting BB... and started their battle which ended being the trigger for Marineford...

EVERY GOD DAMN COVER STORY has some purpose.... This one??? I fail to see the point of Chiffon meeting Lola... then Pound drifting on Dressrosa to meet them eventually and be happy family all together... like, it doesn't stimulate your thinking about ANY FUTURE theory... like WHO CARES.....

 

[Patryipe]

I don't know how much I believe the "nostalgia" thing. A lot of people online have started reading well into post skip.

 

[Garp the Fist]

The worst cover story hands down is Hachi on the sea floor and I will not hear any arguments against that. The Capone one is setting Elbaf and the potential Grand Fleet big incident, I'm fine with that.

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Also that stupid Jango one

 

[Natalija]

Until Zou, post-TS mostly suffered from structural problems, rather than content-wise (except a few minor blunders). Zou was a really good, fully packed breather, and then WCI started with a very rich setting but the entire logic went down the drain in that arc. People say it was only the latter half but the entire premise of WCI is ridiculous.

I don't know what you exactly mean by logic. It was one of Oda's most entertaining settings.

For me it was amazing: from Big Mom's entire crew, their designs and stories, Sanji's backstory and family, Sanji's crazy wedding story, Bege and Luffy teaming up, Luffy not being able to defeat the arc villain for a change, and most importantly:

I loved the Straw Hat tension since this was the first internal hiccup they had since Usopp leaving. They lack this a lot.