General & Others One Piece Criticism : Valid or Overblown ?

[Formerly Seth]

There are only a few things I don't like about this series and even if I think that HxH comes at the top at certain aspects of the story I would still pick One Piece as the best story I've read from Shonen genre. I hate when Oda off-screens top tier fights especially now that we know the story might end in 5 or 5+ years so you can't tell me that he wants to show this when the time is right. No, he will not have time for that. I hate when arcs look the same. I love Alabasta but Dressrosa looked exactly the same: Luffy meets character X. Character X has problems with his/her country and Luffy decides to save X and X country by beating the final boss who was abusing people of the country and Wano is shaping up to be Alabasta v3 and probably thing that most of the people would pick is keeping dead people dead. Oda needs to decide. Is he going for FT route or he will be definitive and keep it straight and last but not least Luffy's decisions must see some consequences sometimes.

 

[bluefire12]

The worst cover story hands down is Hachi on the sea floor and I will not hear any arguments against that. The Capone one is setting Elbaf and the potential Grand Fleet big incident, I'm fine with that.

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Also that stupid Jango one

Speaking of the cover story I wonder if we will see those three marines again

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

The one thing I loved a lot more in Pre TS than Post, is the amount of traveling and new islands they visited, it was always in an adventure like Pirates, now in the last 10 years or OP they have been to a total of 6 islands

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The one thing that does in my mind make up for it a little in Wano, is the art work and the details are amazing

The equivalent of the many islands they visited pre-TS were "condensed" to less islands post-TS (as Oda has admitted himself, for example, Greenbit was supposed to be separate from Dressrosa).
Passing Fishman Island, which only, really had one location, you could have divided the next two arcs into 4 islands easily and it would have resembled the Baroque Works Saga (hence structural problems like i mentioned).
Let´s say, there would have been no problem to make a warrior/gladiator island (just like Jaya was pirate island) in which Doflamingo controls the arena and tries to trap the Strawhats with fighters (just like Mr3 did in Little Garden). And we could have gotten the introduction of the Grand Fleet without Doflamingo and Fujitora hanging over them permanently as more serious plot point.
And then Greenbit of course.

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

I don't know how much I believe the "nostalgia" thing. A lot of people online have started reading well into post skip.

It doesn't change anything, pre tiemeskip storytelling and story structure is different from post timeskip so its like two different shows with similar points (like Naruto and Naruto Shippuden or Dragon Ball and Dragon Bal Z). Most people will look at it as two different phases which contain different way of stroytelling. For me I still view them very similar but post timeskip has a bigger plot and greater story and ODa done well so far.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

I don't know what you exactly mean by logic. It was one of Oda's most entertaining settings.

For me it was amazing: from Big Mom's entire crew, their designs and stories, Sanji's backstory and family, Sanji's crazy wedding story, Bege and Luffy teaming up, Luffy not being able to defeat the arc villain for a change, and most importantly:

I loved the Straw Hat tension since this was the first internal hiccup they had since Usopp leaving. They lack this a lot.

From the reason for the arc (another Strawhat going away, then playing the damsel, after Nami and Robin, the crew shenenigans were supposed to end) to PIS of villains, to completely questionable situations that required equally questionable solutions.
The setting and the crew were great, from the powers to the style of the characters.

They are not supposed to lack it at this point, hence you get the timeskip of everyone dedicating themselves and putting both Luffy and the crew over them individually.

 

[Natalija]

From the reason for the arc (another Strawhat going away, then playing the damsel, after Nami and Robin, the crew shenenigans were supposed to end) to PIS of villains, to completely questionable situations that required equally questionable solutions.
The setting and the crew were great, from the powers to the style of the characters.

They are not supposed to lack it at this point, hence you get the timeskip of everyone dedicating themselves and putting both Luffy and the crew over them individually.

Considering all that, I think Sanji leaving was a pretty good twist to the story. And it's meant to introduce Big Mom anyway.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

When was the last there was a true tension? Real danger where the MC feels and understand it it ?

Sabaody Impel down MF.

First half of WCI is actually better than Wano DR PH FI combined lol.

But Oda just cant stop making fake tensions,
He just cant stop making MCs taking the situation lightly , they never learn from their mistakes

 

[Lunaria]

I don't know how much I believe the "nostalgia" thing. A lot of people online have started reading well into post skip.

But it’s not like they skipped the pre skip story and directly started reading from post skip onwards. All of us suffer from rosy retrospection to some extent but some are more affected than others.

There are also several fans who started with the anime and could watch the story at their own pace for a time, before finally reaching the point where they caught up with the manga and had to start reading it. Then they had to deal with the weekly rythm with only a chapter per week + 1-2 break weeks a month.

 

[Garp the Fist]

The only part of Wano I haven't enjoyed was Luffy learning super CoA, which just bored me. To be quite honest I don't really care about Haki overall- now there's a complaint for the series- and find the mechanics of it quite a tiresome part of the series.

WCI was dull to begin with, decent in the middle, and awful at the end. Sanji's flashback, an area where Oda usually excels, was a dismal rehash of Robin's without any of the heart. If Oda was never to mention the Vinsmokes again I'd be perfectly happy. The Tea Party was pretty good. What followed was not. Luffy vs Katakuri was actually pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

As I said in the other thread,

There are many reasons, but the most important reasons is we have grown older. With age, priorities and taste change. Similar plotline, setup or humors dont seem as enjoyable as it did earlier.

the main issue is fans have grown older.

There are definitely genuine complains too. There are many things Oda could have handled better. The WCI arc, apart from some good moments here and there, was quite bad. Oden's silly dance was horrible writing. As someone pointed out, there is no sense of danger, which is the biggest problem with this yonko saga.

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

I loved WCI and consider it the best post timeskip big arc, though Wano is shaping up to surpass it.

The only thing was boring was Big mom;' wedding cake moments though it wasn't as vad as people say cuz it only lasted for couple panels every couple chapters while a lot of things were happening. Also, Sanji and pudding baking the cake was boring to.

Katakuri vs Luffy is the best fight in the series. Sanji's flashback was nice. Bege was a good addition though could've done more.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

The worst cover story hands down is Hachi on the sea floor and I will not hear any arguments against that. The Capone one is setting Elbaf and the potential Grand Fleet big incident, I'm fine with that.

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Also that stupid Jango one

Except that every cover story that was somewhat underwhelming was "Short"
Not freaking 28 chapter and still rolling.. we aren't even sure if it sets Elbaf... since it was NEVER mentioned.. you're just ASSUMING that...
They are in Dressrosa now...

And again, underwhelming cover stories were SHORT.. not this freaking long haha

 

[Eustass]

It's obviously valid. I think most criticism here is totally valid.

I don't think One Piece manga has much hate, at least not on the level of its popularity. Now there is indeed a problem with how OP is seen in pop culture due to the anime. If the manga has had a quality, the anime then.. I won't even talk about it.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Except that every cover story that was somewhat underwhelming was "Short"
Not freaking 28 chapter and still rolling.. we aren't even sure if it sets Elbaf... since it was NEVER mentioned.. you're just ASSUMING that...
They are in Dressrosa now...

And again, underwhelming cover stories were SHORT.. not this freaking long haha

It's an assumption, sure, but I think a reasonable one to make. We won't really know until the end what it's leading towards.

It's actually not that long either, the cover stories are generally 30-40 chapters in length. Anything below that is short, anything above that is long.

 

[Lunaria]

The only part of Wano I haven't enjoyed was Luffy learning super CoA, which just bored me. To be quite honest I don't really care about Haki overall- now there's a complaint for the series- and find the mechanics of it quite a tiresome part of the series.

WCI was dull to begin with, decent in the middle, and awful at the end. Sanji's flashback, an area where Oda usually excels, was a dismal rehash of Robin's without any of the heart. If Oda was never to mention the Vinsmokes again I'd be perfectly happy. The Tea Party was pretty good. What followed was not. Luffy vs Katakuri was actually pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things.

The part with Holdem and Tama subplot was much more boring in my opinion.

 

[Luffy the Yonko Slayer]

Holdem storyline definetly was the worst part in Wano so far.

Udon plot was good, Luffy's training with fodders wasn't boring since it really didn't take that much panel time and it was necessary.

 

[Lunaria]

Holdem storyline definetly was the worst part in Wano so far.

Udon plot was good, Luffy's training with fodders wasn't boring since it really didn't take that much panel time and it was necessary.

Yes, it was necessary and made Luffy’s progression way more believable. Had it not been for that storyline, people would have called Oda out for FT level of bullshit power ups.

 

[Uncle Van]

This thread is more appropriate for Postskip complaints
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-problem-with-post-timeskip.3625/

On a side note, I dont think fans getting older is the problem, given how diverse the opinions and ages are. I still find some of the gags funny like recent chapters with Jinbe.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

It's an assumption, sure, but I think a reasonable one to make. We won't really know until the end what it's leading towards.

It's actually not that long either, the cover stories are generally 30-40 chapters in length. Anything below that is short, anything above that is long.

I understand the whole notion of Big Mom/Elbaf
But why would he set up "Lola - Gotti"?

Also, I find it fucking weird for Lola to actually go to the ONE ISLAND where she refused to marry their prince and escaped

I'm sorry, but I'm not one of the people who believes that Big Mom will have ANOTHER FREAKING ARC focused around her in ELbaf... I think this upcoming war is about FINISHING THE PAST (Rocks alliance)....

So you can also see where I'm coming when I have NO FAITH in Big Mom being in Elbaf... to fucking CARE about this cover story or see what it will lead to other than Oda just giving a happy ending for that family AWAY... without any kind of settings... I genuinly believes so...

 

[Ravagerblade]

This thread is more appropriate for Postskip complaints
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-problem-with-post-timeskip.3625/

On a side note, I dont think fans getting older is the problem, given how diverse the opinions and ages are. I still find some of the gags funny like recent chapters with Jinbe.

Oda rides on the coattails of gags, when he shouldn't. Some gags have overstayed their welcome but the dude can't let go, cant have his characters develop. I wouldn't of minded a character development of Luffy becoming more aware of his actions effecting not just him and his crew but eventually the entire world, has he even stopped and wondered what it would mean to have another Pirate King? Good or bad changes... or is he going to continue the childish dream of PK just means he's free?
Or Usopp actually becoming Brave only to cause an accident hurting someone in the crew.... among other ways to make character development.... just examples... instead they feel alot less like characters and just empty souless robots with one or two traits.