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[Ultra]

So you think there's only one culprit this time? Would one guy really be able to pull all this off?

No.

I think we only have to submit one culprit so I'm going with the shoe in.

 

[Ultra]

Unless we do have to submit a full culprit list then we're boned

 

[DoflaMihawk]

No.

I think we only have to submit one culprit so I'm going with the shoe in.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[xenos5]

No.

I think we only have to submit one culprit so I'm going with the shoe in.

Hmm... if that was the case, someone could just submit a different single suspect every cycle and eventually "solve" the case through brute force.

 

[Reborn]

what's Kyrie's motive though? or rosa's

Ratchet said in red - the killer on T1 killed atleast 5.

In Red - 11 characters died out of 17. So, we are having 3 who faked their deaths

All rooms were locked and can't be opened without master key but rooms can be locked from inside.

Among first 6(T1)
Shannon said all children confirmed the death of their parents

Genji - was confirmed dead by both kannon and doc. This means he isn't the killer. As two people verified his death.

Eva and hide - George confirmed her death and we have no evidence that he favors one parent over other.


Now, Kyrie and Rudolf - 6 years ago, Battler mother died and Rudolf married Kyrie within weeks. And, then battler left.

Battler returned 6 years later.

Battler confirmed death of his parent but Kyrie isn't her mother.

 

[xenos5]

I find it difficult to imagine Ratchet designing things that way.

 

[Reborn]

Ratchet said in red - the killer on T1 killed atleast 5.

In Red - 11 characters died out of 17. So, we are having 3 who faked their deaths

All rooms were locked and can't be opened without master key but rooms can be locked from inside.

Among first 6(T1)
Shannon said all children confirmed the death of their parents

Genji - was confirmed dead by both kannon and doc. This means he isn't the killer. As two people verified his death.

Eva and hide - George confirmed her death and we have no evidence that he favors one parent over other.


Now, Kyrie and Rudolf - 6 years ago, Battler mother died and Rudolf married Kyrie within weeks. And, then battler left.

Battler returned 6 years later.

Battler confirmed death of his parent but Kyrie isn't her mother.

Kyrie is most likely our first culprit

 

[hime]

Like I said, that's the wrong approach - your theory *could* possibly fit but with what evidence you've taken into account it's just one scenario out of very many. That's not how you solve this mystery.

bruh... r u just stupid or something?

sure, a theory could indicate just one scenario out of many but ratchet said there is only one situation that should work so i see no problem with using the clues to come up with the best scenario and then verifying and revising based on that

 

[York]

Everybody killed everybody and they're all liars

 

[RippedCal]

Ultra on player list an also sub list what a fookin beast

 

[Reborn]

Twilight 1
Nanjo killed all six, Godha and Krauss lie about locked room (Genji key destroyed)

Twilight 2
Krauss killed Natsuhi. Faked his own death. Nanjo lied to confirm.

Twilight 3
No deaths

Twilight 4
Jess killed Shannon, Kanon disappears
(Shannon & Kanon key destroyed)

Twilight 5/6
Godha killed Kumasawa. Faked his own death. Jess and Nanjo lie to confirm

Twilight 7
Godha killed Nanjo

Twilight 8
Godha killed Jessica

Not killed: Kanon, Battler, George, Maria, Godha, Krauss

Culprits: Godha, Nanjo, Jess and Krauss

Is my theory

Godha first T1 claim is backed by Kawamasa.

Krauss hasn't made any statement on T1 which isn't verified

Genji key destroyed - it was Natsuhi who said "we" destroyed it

 

[DoflaMihawk]

@Reborn I made an updated theory where Godha kills in T1

Doesn't matter about Genji's key anyway, he's the only one allowed to use it and he's dead for sure

 

[Reborn]

@Reborn I made an updated theory where Godha kills in T1

Doesn't matter about Genji's key anyway, he's the only one allowed to use it and he's dead for sure

I read that.


You have to give me explanations

 

[DoflaMihawk]

I read that.


You have to give me explanations

Updated theory

Twilight 1
Godha killed all six (Genji key destroyed)

Twilight 2
Krauss killed Natsuhi. Faked his own death. Nanjo lied to confirm.

Twilight 3
No deaths

Twilight 4
Jess killed Shannon, Kanon disappears
(Shannon & Kanon key destroyed)

Twilight 5/6
Nanjo killed Kumasawa. Godha fakes death. Jess and Nanjo lie to confirm

Twilight 7
Godha killed Nanjo, left guesthouse and locked from outside

Twilight 8
Godha killed Jess

Not killed: Kanon, Battler, George, Maria, Godha, Krauss

Culprits: Godha, Nanjo, Jess and Krauss

What else needs explained?

 

[Reborn]

Updated theory

Twilight 1
Godha killed all six (Genji key destroyed)

Twilight 2
Krauss killed Natsuhi. Faked his own death. Nanjo lied to confirm.

Twilight 3
No deaths

Twilight 4
Jess killed Shannon, Kanon disappears
(Shannon & Kanon key destroyed)

Twilight 5/6
Nanjo killed Kumasawa. Godha fakes death. Jess and Nanjo lie to confirm

Twilight 7
Godha killed Nanjo, left guesthouse and locked from outside

Twilight 8
Godha killed Jess

Not killed: Kanon, Battler, George, Maria, Godha, Krauss

Culprits: Godha, Nanjo, Jess and Krauss

What else needs explained?

Explanation on

Why Godha and not kawamasa?


Why Kraus killed Natushi and not other way around? Why he has to kill her when krauss is already the only one left to claim inheritance after T1? Why not natsuhi killed krauss to become the inheritor?

Nanjo being involved on T2 makes sense.

T4- jess killed Shannon - how you reached to this conclusion?

 

[DoflaMihawk]

Explanation on



Why Godha and not kawamasa?





Why Kraus killed Natushi and not other way around? Why he has to kill her when krauss is already the only one left to claim inheritance after T1? Why not natsuhi killed krauss to become the inheritor?



Nanjo being involved on T2 makes sense.



T4- jess killed Shannon - how you reached to this conclusion?

True, the first two can have different Culprits, I can't find a logical reason otherwise. Might have to do with motive but that seems too subjective.

Jess has to kill at some point if she's a culprit, t4 is the easiest time for her

 

[Reborn]

True, the first two can have different Culprits, I can't find a logical reason otherwise. Might have to do with motive but that seems too subjective.

Jess has to kill at some point if she's a culprit, t4 is the easiest time for her

Mystery is already confusing in itself to solve.


Then ratchet says in red - on T1 killer killed atleast 5. Why he said this? Why he gave us a possibility that one of them faked death on T1 when ratchet could have skipped this system or could have said all 6 got killed?


Thing is I strongly believe this is a hint that one of the 6 on T1 faked death.

 

[Reborn]

Mystery is already confusing in itself to solve.


Then ratchet says in red - on T1 killer killed atleast 5. Why he said this? Why he gave us a possibility that one of them faked death on T1 when ratchet could have skipped this system or could have said all 6 got killed?


Thing is I strongly believe this is a hint that one of the 6 on T1 faked death.

***Could have skipped this explanation

 

[xenos5]

Mystery is already confusing in itself to solve.


Then ratchet says in red - on T1 killer killed atleast 5. Why he said this? Why he gave us a possibility that one of them faked death on T1 when ratchet could have skipped this system or could have said all 6 got killed?


Thing is I strongly believe this is a hint that one of the 6 on T1 faked death.

Who do you believe is the most likely to have faked their death on Twilight 1, then?

 

[Ultra]

bruh... r u just stupid or something?

sure, a theory could indicate just one scenario out of many but ratchet said there is only one situation that should work so i see no problem with using the clues to come up with the best scenario and then verifying and revising based on that

Yeah...here's how the "deduction" thing works - if you don't have it down to one answer, or maybe a handful, then your parameters aren't rigorous enough and you don't have enough evidence. But to know, have fun with the approach of just guessing and rechecking for a fuckload of suspects.