Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

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Kinda weird seeing the argument "Once you know the Lunarian gimmick, you can win".

Why do we assume the seraphims/King has any reason to remove their greatest attributes to combat opponents?

If you can't hurt them with their flame on, that just means that they gatekeep their own defeat. Relying on them needing to remove their flames to "speed up" to combat their opponents is just wishing thinking in a hypothetical battle, when they can just tire you out and win the battle of attrition.

If ACOC doesn't work and Oda doesn't emphasize the reason why King didn't want to do CQC with Zoro's ACOC before fleeing, then he really has created a no limit fallacy with the Lunarian durability.
Seraphs turn off their flames if theyre usin the DF ability
 
Kinda weird seeing the argument "Once you know the Lunarian gimmick, you can win".

Why do we assume the seraphims/King has any reason to remove their greatest attributes to combat opponents?

If you can't hurt them with their flame on, that just means that they gatekeep their own defeat. Relying on them needing to remove their flames to "speed up" to combat their opponents is just wishing thinking in a hypothetical battle, when they can just tire you out and win the battle of attrition.

If ACOC doesn't work and Oda doesn't emphasize the reason why King didn't want to do CQC with Zoro's ACOC before fleeing, then he really has created a no limit fallacy with the Lunarian durability.
That’s why he said “practically” invincible, you need to be able to damage their flame on form in order to force them into their flame off form

Otherwise, they’re unbeatable
 
The chapter practically implies that the seraphim need to put out the flames as they fight. They probably can't keep the flame lit 100% of the time during a fight.
 
lol i am usually not this toxic but to all those people that said begining of wano luffy beats king....:holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl:adv coa luffy beats king....:holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl:....to the people that said king didnt hold a candle to kaido in durability :holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl:
 
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