Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Luffy]

The difference is bartolomeo can’t fight while his barrier is up. He’d just eventually run out of energy.

Ah yes, only he has finite energy. Others wont consume energy when they fight. Good to know.

 

[Goodman Grey]

Can Robin and Brook fight S snake?

 

[Julius]

Just like Sasaki. :cheers:

Only Top tiers can damage Queen.

 

[hedera__helix]

Kurozumi grandma >= Plantdiff-King ~ Bartolomeo

Lunarian newborn > Awakening Kidd

 

[BleakAsh]

It's not invulnerability, Zoro himself doesn't call it that meaning Zoro hurt king in flame mode lol.

Nah, Zoro doesn't have the AP to beat King. Knowing his abilities helps Zoro time his attacks better, doesn't guarantee him a W

If AP was all that mattered oda wouldn't have created a technicality where king is explicitly depicted to be vulnerable and King would have used that flame mode to defend against zoro's last attack which would have proved your understanding but it falsifies it by not existing instead.

 

[Albino 👑]

I mean neg diffing two commanders simultaneously is still one of the best feats in the manga…

Make it zoro + sanji and ryokugyu would still win

King being above Queen is just coz he's meant to be >= Queen for plot reasons.
Based on abilities, Queen counters King more than King does
King can't track Queen if he goes invisible and gets toasted by lasers. Queen also has plagues that can work on flame off King

Kings portrayal is just better than queen's
Even knowing how his abilities work king should still be overall stronger

If their portrayal later on changes for some reason then id change my mind but the best i can give queen is being equal to king with knowledge. Until things change he's never going to be over

 

[zzShinichi]

@EtenBoby please explained Sanji kick in fool detail

It burns S-Shark and engulfs him with fire which only makes him stronger
To do it, Sanji needs to unlock something that can burn even fire
BLACK-FLAME SANJI INCOMING

 

[Lor D. Coast]

What if a seraphim eats the Mera Mera

There would be 2 Seraphim with the same DF

 

[ConquistadoR]

It's not invulnerability, Zoro himself doesn't call it that meaning Zoro hurt king in flame mode lol.

We saw the entire fight play out.
Where did he hurt King in flame mode and with what attack?
There's simply zero panels of Flame On Lunarians being damaged in the entire manga itself.

He basically said that Lunarians are Invincible in Flame On.
Else he would ask Luffy to use CoC on them, which he didn't.

Nah, Zoro doesn't have the AP to beat King. Knowing his abilities helps Zoro time his attacks better, doesn't guarantee him a W

Why so?
Ofc Zoro can't do it in 3 attacks like he did, he will do it in 10 or so.
And yes, difficulty of the fight will be higher but he can do it.
King didn't even land Tempuraduon or Karyudon on a distracted Zoro anyway.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Ah yes, only he has finite energy. Others wont consume energy when they fight. Good to know.

As long as bartos barrier is up the other people wouldn’t fight. they’d just rest up watch and conserve strength. Using a devil fruit power though always uses energy.

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Make it zoro + sanji and ryokugyu would still win

Be careful with that, Kizarus nearby afterall

 

[MarineHQ]

Portrayal is incomparable. 3 top tiers stopping 1 top tier compared to one one top tier stopping 2 top tiers.
And unlike Admirals, despite everything Zoro bested WSC in CQC and slashed his chest open.
No heart attacks required to land a free hit.

You're just being petty because i said something against Zoro so you're just trying to find points to attack the Admirals. I'm not interested.
The 3 Top Tiers weren't required to stop the Gura punch as the difficulty showed while Zoro nearly lost his life. Zoro "bested" Kaido with his strongest attack while Akainu used his weakest.

is magma. Luffy who shrugs off Borobreaths like nothing couldnt even tough Kaido's version of King's attacks.
King can kill any top tier that is below Kaido when it comes to defense. Easily. Jackpot or magma dragons, pick one.

It isn't Magma, you can't just lie about it. If it was Magma Zoro would've said so. He said "like magma" that's the major and crucial difference.

You're contradicting yourself continuously. Zoro is below Kaido in Durability yet defeated King.

Both Jackpot and Flame dragons can't hurt a logia user. They're not covered in Haki.

that is below Kaido when it comes to defense. Easily.

can threaten both Fujitora and GB and possibly Aokiji as well due to being natural harm.
Akainu didnt burn him with haki but with magma. So King will do the same.
There is no need for defense when King's defense is #1 in the world.

His offense aint too shabby either. King has no need to switch to speed mode, not everyone is Zoro with unbreakable defense.
Only when offense doesnt work, he can try speed. And even then, his toughness is outta this world and not everyone has Zoro's offense.
There are no rookie mistakes here, this is strictly factual. Thinking King cant take out top tiers is silly. It's top teirs who cant take King out.

It can only threaten Fujitora as he has a normal human body. Aokiji already equalled a real Magma user and Aramaki said during the Scabbard fight that he doesn't have an obvious flame weakness.
Momonosuke destroyed his tree form with force. The actual flame didn't burn him.

 

[Kyou]

Only Top tiers can damage Queen.

Sanji x Nami

What a chapter

 

[JoNdule]

Bartolomeo > top tiers
With barrier, he can withstand any top tier move
Old grandpa withstood engaged Oden attacks

Let's hype people for one gimmick stat
While being average in other stats.

Zoro got coc to tame enma, not to beat King
His issue was still to know his tricks.
He always had the Power to finish King pre CoC.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Sanji need to stop fucking saving people by sneak attack and win a god damn fight for once

 

[HA001]

We saw the entire fight play out.
Where did he hurt King in flame mode and with what attack?
There's simply zero panels of Flame On Lunarians being damaged in the entire manga itself.

He basically said that Lunarians are Invincible in Flame On.
Else he would ask Luffy to use CoC on them, which he didn't.


Why so?
Ofc Zoro can't do it in 3 attacks like he did, he will do it in 10 or so.
And yes, difficulty of the fight will be higher but he can do it.
King didn't even land Tempuraduon or Karyudon on a distracted Zoro anyway.

Why would he tell luffy to use acoc when he doesn't even know luffy knows how to use it.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

@EtenBoby please explained Sanji kick in fool detail

It’s the exact same scene as before

But this time, the fight won’t get interrupted

 

[Albino 👑]

Well of course I never disagreed with that, lol

My point is the guy with gear 5 and AdCoC, who defeated Kaido in a fight, doesn’t seem confident in his ability to take on a baby Lunarian without exploiting a matchup disadvantage.

If we being 100 we never saw either of them specifically hurt flame on lunarian

Doesn't change the fact they're fodder in comparison

 

[LayerZ]

100 acoc bird dance and kaido is dead.
And that's endurance you are talking about dumbass.

nop durability too . ZOro have to overpower the dura to do damage . ANd nop 100 bird dances is child play for kaido he will bleed yes but thats it .

 

[ConquistadoR]

Why would he tell luffy to use acoc when he doesn't even know luffy knows how to use it.

He saw Luffy use CoC against Kaidou in 1010 and then told Sanji that Luffy figured it out and he's going to beat Kaidou.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If AP was all that mattered oda wouldn't have created a technicality where king is explicitly depicted to be vulnerable and King would have used that flame mode to defend against zoro's last attack which would have proved your understanding but it falsifies it by not existing instead.

If AP wasn’t needed Oda wouldn’t have added COC coating the final stage of the fight and the only moment where Zoro gets the upper hand