Controversial Which arc is worse: Fourth Great Ninja War vs Wano.
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--Didn't enjoy itachi/Sasuke vs Kabuto that much. Asspull izanami
--Madara's intro fight was cool
--Madara vs five kage was okayish with PS reveal being the highligh
--Minato vs Young Tobi (backstory) -- I am talking about the final war arc so when naruto enters the battlefield
--Kakashi vs Obito -- It was good but brief fight
Its not about fights but narrative and ending arc. The asspulls were ridiculous
Watch the above video
--Madara's intro fight was cool
--Madara vs five kage was okayish with PS reveal being the highligh
--Minato vs Young Tobi (backstory) -- I am talking about the final war arc so when naruto enters the battlefield
--Kakashi vs Obito -- It was good but brief fight
Its not about fights but narrative and ending arc. The asspulls were ridiculous
Watch the above video
Madara is simply too strong, and the problem of the ninja war is that people have infinite Chakra, spamming super jutsu's back to back with no problem.
I re-read all Naruto recently, and for the entirety of the manga they highlight how important chakra handling is, to not end up without it.
Then the war happens, where Madara has infintie Chakra, Naruto, the 5th, the kages, Kakashi..
I re-read all Naruto recently, and for the entirety of the manga they highlight how important chakra handling is, to not end up without it.
Then the war happens, where Madara has infintie Chakra, Naruto, the 5th, the kages, Kakashi..
Are they seperate? Onigashima war was the biggest disappointment ever. Apart of Zoro, Law, Kidd and their fights, there was barely anything enjoyable, too much plot armor and ass pull writing for the fights. I could rant an hour about everything trash about that war. So I would say Wano was slightly better, even though that was pretty disappointing as well for THE "Samurai Arc".
Wano was worse. Wano had 1 good part, which was Act 1. The best part of the Onigashima arc was the hype fights, and the most hype was the rooftop fight and it pales in comparison to Madara vs the Alliance, or Madara vs the 5 Kage. The plot for Naruto was a clusterfuck while the plot for Wano was bland, which you would expect to be switched in reference to these 2 series. The Ninja War also did not abandon several plot points that was supposed to be an important element of said plot.
The Ninja War has no plot points, since Naruto has no support characters, it's even worse that One Piece with Luffy's show.
Madara vs The Alliance or the Kages breaks all the rules of the lore, jutsus and chakra, introducing a person that is just unbelievably leagues ahead of everyone else.
Also, comparing Wano and the War is stupid in general, because one is an arc, the other is a final arc, where plot points are bound to be finalised. Which is kinda unfair for both, because they have different scopes.
Madara vs The Alliance or the Kages breaks all the rules of the lore, jutsus and chakra, introducing a person that is just unbelievably leagues ahead of everyone else.
Also, comparing Wano and the War is stupid in general, because one is an arc, the other is a final arc, where plot points are bound to be finalised. Which is kinda unfair for both, because they have different scopes.
Not only specific to Madara, but more broad to the war, there are characters that are constanstly spamming extremely chakra demanding jutsus wiithout any problem.
One example, Kakashi spamming Kamui and Raikiri, Naruto as a whole, and also all the Kages. As another example, Gaara as a non-biiju handler still can do the same if not more than he could do before losing it.
And all this, doesn't matter, because Madara is infinite times stronger and has infinite times more chakra than anybody.
Take Guy using the 8 gates, even that was useless because Madara is too strong.
And there is really no explanation why he is that strong, just because he was a talented Uchiha it doesn't mean that he can just no diff any other ninja in the verse.
One example, Kakashi spamming Kamui and Raikiri, Naruto as a whole, and also all the Kages. As another example, Gaara as a non-biiju handler still can do the same if not more than he could do before losing it.
And all this, doesn't matter, because Madara is infinite times stronger and has infinite times more chakra than anybody.
Take Guy using the 8 gates, even that was useless because Madara is too strong.
And there is really no explanation why he is that strong, just because he was a talented Uchiha it doesn't mean that he can just no diff any other ninja in the verse.
None of that really breaks the previous established rules of the lore, justu, and chakra. Guys have been spamming chakra taxing Justus since part 1. Naruto has been spamming clones forever. Neji while supposedly near out of chakra and on deaths row was able to hit Kidomaru multiple times with the gentle fist with Byakugan active. Kidomaru himself was spamming his attacks with no signs of slowing down. Haku had his crystal ice mirrors active for hella time and the only reason it stopped was because Naruto broke the mirrors himself. Kakashi and Sasuke are really the only characters who showed some sort of limit to their chakra reserves, and for Sasuke that ended when he achieved the second stage curse mark. Madara being stronger than the other characters doesn't break the rules of the series.
Naruto was spamming one jutsu in part one, but MANY MANY MANY time they say it's because it's Kyubi, and he is a power house.
Neji has no chakra at the end of the fight with the spider guy, that's the reason why he wins, because he resorts to a almost chakraless skill.
Many times we have seen characters like Jiraya, Tsunade, Kakashi, the Kages, reaching the end of their skills.
Even in the Sasuke vs Itachi fight, they use a limited amount of jutsus.
Haku move is such small scale, we have gaara lifting oceans of sands and getting exausted against Deidara, but during the war he does whatever he want.
Come on.
Madara is not "stronger". Madara no diffs the whole verse.
Madara is like if Goku arrived in One Piece world after the Boo saga.
Neji has no chakra at the end of the fight with the spider guy, that's the reason why he wins, because he resorts to a almost chakraless skill.
Many times we have seen characters like Jiraya, Tsunade, Kakashi, the Kages, reaching the end of their skills.
Even in the Sasuke vs Itachi fight, they use a limited amount of jutsus.
Haku move is such small scale, we have gaara lifting oceans of sands and getting exausted against Deidara, but during the war he does whatever he want.
Come on.
Madara is not "stronger". Madara no diffs the whole verse.
Madara is like if Goku arrived in One Piece world after the Boo saga.
I mean the Kage supposedly were low on chakra before their final stand before Perfect Susano'o. Of course once the fight is over it would be said that they are out of chakra if the character is supposed to be spent. Gaara was injured. He was not showing any signs of exhaustion before Deidara hit him with the bomb. Gaara was honestly looking like he can manipulate sand forever in that very fight. Hakus move was his most powerful, which should take the most chakra for him to use, and Haku was using it forever. The point still stands. Madara no diffing the entire verse is still not breaking the rules of the verse. It's just power creep, and Madara was hyped to being as powerful as he was in comparison to the rest of the world anyway.