General & Others King Vs Zoro sucked: Morj Breakdsdown how dumb this fight was

[nik87]

What people dont get is that Oda wont draw King sitting on ground in flame mode and letting Zoro run out of the clock due to 2xHakai.
Another thing, beating a Lunarian in flame off makes people think that it isnt an impressive feat... As if he wasnt tough af in flame off too.
>B-but what was the point of aCoC?! Step towards the black blade and to neutralize King's overwhelming physical gap. You know, the same thing Luffy needed to neutralize Kaido's overwhelming physical gap?

 

[JoNdule]

It all comes down to the fact Oda never cared about King
That's why he was irrelevant for 100+ chapters
That's why Queen has more presence in wano arc than him. Even flyers and Jack felt more alive.

That's why Lunarian abilities feel just weird
King looking dumb in the fight, Zoro not even getting CoC because of him nor to beat him.
That's why Enma was Zoro's biggest challenge, not King

 

[soheilhazrat]

King vs Zoro sucks becausee speed mode got no love what so ever, to this date it doesnt have ang impressive feat.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Fortunately there are plenty of us that can read, we've been saying that no one is beating King (without shit writing) for over a year. Some people just can't accept that King was that guy and that Zoro is not fighting weak gag characters.
The agenda trying to push Law, Kidd and Yamato over King, talking about WCI Goofy beating King, base rooftop Goofy oneshotting him, etc.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

So if toei show us the finishing moment, King had his flame on while Zoro slash him with the advance CoC. Who's the dumb one again?.

It’s still Oda… The important part of the fight is the gimmick of when his fire is turned off and Oda offscreened it

Current Zoro who already fought king DOES NOT believe he can hurt a lunarian without this gimmick… Current Zoro knows he did not hurt King without it

 

[lee33]

Compare it to Tobi's dematerialization and how Kishimoto perfectly handled that technique. Tobi, with an ability very similar to King was shown that in order to defeat Tobi you have to aim for his counter attack. Oda just doesn't have the talent like other authors.

Look at how Kishimoto handled Tobi vs Konan. Here is a talented author who actually does his homework:

 

[CbShadow]

morj is the dumbest guy in this fanbase

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the flame on flame off thing doesnt even matter

it literally WAS about CoC and he beat him with his fucking flames on lol

Some still overlook these scenes.

The manga made it clear Zoro can hurt King in flame mode, but typical Oda holds Zoro back most of the time because he's too strong.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

the flame on flame off thing doesnt even matter

Zoro in this chapter very clearly said it mattered. In fact Zoro believes even the combined power of himself, Luffy, Lucci and Kaku aren’t enough if the flames are on

And Shaka is listening to Zoro say this, Shaka, the smartest man in the world is listening to Zoro say the flames matter… And he’s not correcting Zoro

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Some still overlook these scenes.

The manga made it clear Zoro can hurt King in flame mode, but typical Oda holds Zoro back most of the time because he's too strong.

@CbShadow Zoro didn’t hurt King tho

and in this chapter, Zoro tells Luffy that even Luffy can’t do it

and Shaka, the smartest man in the world, believes Zoro and Luffy can’t hurt flame on Lunarians

 

[Necrohol]

This fight SUCKS indeed. This lunarian hax is stupid. There has to be a time limit or something.

 

[Jackteo]

Sanji vs King had so much potential

 

[CbShadow]

Zoro in this chapter very clearly said it mattered. In fact Zoro believes even the combined power of himself, Luffy, Lucci and Kaku aren’t enough if the flames are on

And Shaka is listening to Zoro say this, Shaka, the smartest man in the world is listening to Zoro say the flames matter… And he’s not correcting Zoro

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@CbShadow Zoro didn’t hurt King tho

and in this chapter, Zoro tells Luffy that even Luffy can’t do it

and Shaka, the smartest man in the world, believes Zoro and Luffy can’t hurt flame on Lunarians

Yes, Zoro didn't hurt King in flame mode because of King's action. King did what any reasonable fighter would do if they believe their defense mode can no longer protect them from their opponent's offensive power and they have a mode or power that increases their chances of evading their opponent's attack.

You are falling for Oda same old poor writing skills. Luffy and Zoro are fighting opponents who is hard to damage. So far none of their attacks have damaged the seraphims. Luffy even compares their "toughness" to Kaido. Yet, neither one decides to use ACoC.

Even Zoro himself never said they are invincible. Only practically invincible.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

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The final attack was landed with his flames off
Before

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The Attack

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After

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No where in here King ever had his flames on.

bro hes literally on fire and shooting flames off of his body until zoro slices him

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Yes, Zoro didn't hurt King in flame mode because of King's action. King did what any reasonable fighter would do if they believe their defense mode can no longer protect them from their opponent's offensive power and they have a mode or power that increases their chances of evading their opponent's attack.

You are falling for Oda same old poor writing skills. Luffy and Zoro are fighting opponents who is hard to damage. So far none of their attacks have damaged the seraphims. Luffy even compares their "toughness" to Kaido. Yet, neither one decides to use ACoC.

Even Zoro himself never said they are invincible. Only practically invincible.

So, why did Zoro tell them to wait for the flames to go out, rather than tell them they needed to use much more potent attacks?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Compare it to Tobi's dematerialization and how Kishimoto perfectly handled that technique. Tobi, with an ability very similar to King was shown that in order to defeat Tobi you have to aim for his counter attack. Oda just doesn't have the talent like other authors.

Look at how Kishimoto handled Tobi vs Konan. Here is a talented author who actually does his homework:

a bunch of scribbles. great

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So, why did Zoro tell them to wait for the flames to go out, rather than tell them they needed to use much more potent attacks?

because he thinks theyre pussies:cheers:

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

bro hes literally on fire and shooting flames off of his body until zoro slices him

The fire is coming from his Sword, not King himself.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

At 34:00

https://www.youtube.com/live/RHrEi9_3v_U?feature=share

Morj is just realising something I’ve been telling everyone. The King fight was poorly written. Both because

1. King shouldn’t have ever removed his invincibility since his speed boosts did not actually help him fight Zoro any better as they had the same even clashes both with and without the flames

2. The fight was structured poorly because Oda wasted most of the panel time on Zoro learning CoC yet CoC isn’t what won the fight, the fight was won by Zoro learning when the invincibility was removed. His CoC barely mattered

Morj breaks it down at 30:15 that most of the fight was about CoC, and yet the actual winning play, The flame off/on shit was discovered by Zoro OFFSCREEN

This is like if the entire Zoro vs Daz bones fight was focused on Zoro improving his speed. Like we get an entire flashback of Zoro training his speed and reaction time. And then offscreen we learn that “Actually all you need to beat Daz bones is Haki and Zoro discovered he has haki OFFSCREEN” and then Zoro beats Daz with Haki he obtained offscreen.

The easy excuse is that King's flame exhausts him plus he still needs to turn it off to attack most of the time.

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Compare it to Tobi's dematerialization and how Kishimoto perfectly handled that technique. Tobi, with an ability very similar to King was shown that in order to defeat Tobi you have to aim for his counter attack. Oda just doesn't have the talent like other authors.

Look at how Kishimoto handled Tobi vs Konan. Here is a talented author who actually does his homework:

Lee. IT'S A PILE OF FUCKING PAPER.

 

[CbShadow]

So, why did Zoro tell them to wait for the flames to go out, rather than tell them they needed to use much more potent attacks?

He doesn't know the full potential of their offensive power. It makes more sense for Zoro to tell them to attack the seraphim when they're easier to damage than waste power with attacks that might not be strong enough to damage them in flame mode.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

poor structure of the fight is simply the reality of fights when you have 3 chapters tops dedicated to them
unfortunately dont think it gets better.

 

[spawn]

Wrong interpretation of the fight:❌
King vs Zoro sucked, the fight was dumb: ✅

 

[Wh1p]

Poor analysis for several reasons.
1. King has to go speed mode to actually land good hits on Zoro. Without it, he can't do anything. This would just lead to a stalemate because King can't hit Zoro and Zoro can't harm King. King stated that he recognized the threat Zoro represents which means that he wouldn't let Zoro run off.

2. His conquerors haki DID matter (physically and thematically). Speed mode doesn't mean suddenly he has paper thin durability. You still need really high AP to actually take down King, flame or not. If he didn't have advCoC, King would've outlasted him and killed him. Thematically it was important because this fight showed the difference between their philosophies as right hands. The man named King, who solely relies on the might of his race and follows Kaido due to his strength, and Zoro, who has the weight of his own goal on top of a promise to his captain (making him a Supreme King in actuality). This again is pushing the theme of "how heavy your swords are" from all the way back in Arlong Park.

Mr. Morj is hit and miss, and unfortunately this is one of his misses. I've surpassed the need to rely on Youtubers to analyze this series. He said that the "King of Hell" moment sucked and it proves what fans say about Zoro, yet it's actually one of his deeper moments. This entire fight went right over his head and he claims Zoro as his favourite character. How is it that I'm a Sanji fan and I know more than he does about Mossjuro?