General & Others Who is the most overrated character in OP?

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The Honoured One
When Zoro’s dream isn’t even the stronger than his rival.

Law’s portrayal never changed. He was never portrayed as a wild, deranged person you couldn’t trust. He was the first Supernova that we got to see branch out a bit, and the very first thing he did was save Luffy’s life for no reason other than on a whim. This was well before, two years before, they ever allied.

And? Whitebeard didn’t have the same goal as Roger. Garp didn’t have the same goal as Roger. And nonetheless, they were his rivals. As a matter of fact, nobody in Roger’s era had a uniform goal because One Piece wasn’t even a thing, and yet Roger had rivals despite that.

Law is interested in the OP from what we’ve seen. It isn’t the only thing he cares about. Which is fine. Also, Luffy doesn’t even care that much about it as opposed to what it represents. You don’t have to have the same goal to be someone’s rival.

Yes it does. To say otherwise is to say something like Rayleigh being as strong as Garp or Whitebeard. Zoro will never be in the league of people that are exclusively Luffy’s rivals.

I never said anything about pure swordsmanship. I never implied it. For my part, I am fascinated by the unending need for Zoro fanboys to cling to titles in a series in which:

• The World’s Strongest Man and the World’s Strongest Creature exist at the same time and are two different people, and the World’s Strongest Man was stronger than the World’s Strongest Creature, despite man being a subset of creature
• The World’s Strongest Man wasn’t the World’s Strongest Man, and was either second or tied for second (with Garp) as he wasn’t as strong as the actual strongest man
• The World’s Strongest Creature was brushed back by a man of equal stature without the title who was on his way to stop a war the World’s strongest Creature likely wanted to escalate
• The World’s Strongest Swordsman isn’t as strong as the man once dubbed to be his rival, nor another Yonko that uses a blade at times
• The World’s Most Heinous Criminal isn’t heinous to anybody except the upper echelon of the corrupt World Government.

Did I miss any?
Seemed pretty creepy to me when he was first introduced. 'Surgeon of death'. Ricky port incident. Working with shady characters like caesar and helping to experiment on kids.
He wanted to gain luffys favour in the future as a bargaining chip at that time. Nothing more nothing less.

Yes that's whitebeard and this is law. He literally couldn't care less if he died after offing doflamingo.

Yeah garp is gonna be represented by someone in the marines e.g. akainu/coby. WB I hope will be kidd. Theres also gonna be Blackbeard as luffys main antagonist. Law doesn't fit in.

So if you never implied that then tell me how exactly will Zoro achieve his dreams - if there are Swordsmans stronger than him come eos ?
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Man, guess Oda didn’t portray them as rivals within the last five chapters along with Kid, the same way he did at Sabaody. And it’s a shame that Oda hasn’t built up Luffy, Law, and Kid to be the three to fight Kaido together.

But I guess that Kaido and Big Mom aren’t rivals because they have an alliance, nor were they ever because they have this alliance. Garp and Roger were also not rivals, because they too had an alliance. Hawkins is not a rival to Kid, because they were once in an alliance, nor is Apoo.

Oh, and because you mentioned Kid, see he can’t be a rival of Luffy’s either, because he’s right in the middle of an alliance with Luffy as well.

He can accomplish his dream, it doesn’t mean he’ll be stronger than Law.
So when a character is deemed rival to another character even if they never fight each other (like Law and Luffy for instance) they are still on the same level?
 
Seemed pretty creepy to me when he was first introduced. 'Surgeon of death'. Ricky port incident. Working with shady characters like caesar and helping to experiment on kids.
Was never portrayed as deranged. He never helped experiment on kids, rather he’s the one that took Ceaser’s drugs out of them. They’re pirates. They all work with shady characters. The SH’s literally worked with slavers before.
He wanted to gain luffys favour in the future as a bargaining chip at that time. Nothing more nothing less.
No he didn’t. He had no idea what he was going to ask of Luffy in the future. This was never said or implied. He did it on a whim. Pretty sure he said that himself.
Yes that's whitebeard and this is law. He literally couldn't care less if he died after offing doflamingo.
Luffy couldn’t care less if he died on the way to his dreams. He’s said that before, all the way at the beginning of the series.
Yeah garp is gonna be represented by someone in the marines e.g. akainu/coby. WB I hope will be kidd. Theres also gonna be Blackbeard as luffys main antagonist. Law doesn't fit in.
Law doesn’t fit in? Law fits Whitebeard way more than Kid would. Demeanor matches Whitebeard (more tactical, scoffs at reckless idiots but can’t help but admire them, rivalry and friendship with the era’s King, main rival was also the guy who defeated their former captain, etc.)
You’re also forgetting the other component to that, which was Shiki. Kid is far more like Shiki than anyone else based on what we know, especially more than Law. Blackbeard would translate to what Rox was come time to beat him, and then Luffy clears the way for the rest of them to rise up.
So if you never implied that then tell me how exactly will Zoro achieve his dreams - if there are Swordsmans stronger than him come eos ?
The same way Whitebeard became the World’s Strongest Man despite being weaker than Roger and probably being tied with Garp. The same way Mihawk became the World’s Strongest Swordsman despite being inferior to Big Mom, who uses a blade from time to time, and Shanks.
So when a character is deemed rival to another character even if they never fight each other (like Law and Luffy for instance) they are still on the same level?
Gonna take this as an honest question, as opposed to the alternative.

Depends really on the portrayal. Most of the time, yes. Law and Kid are weaker than Luffy, it are portrayed to be in the ballpark (we’ve seen this in the past five chapters). They’ve never fought. Kaido and Big Mom are rivals to each other, haven’t fought in a long time apparently. Still on the same level.

Some cases where that’s a no, Luffy and Teach have been portrayed as rivals since their very first meeting, Teach would still kill him. They’ve never fought. Mihawk was once rivals with Shanks, don’t know if they’re still considered it in verse, Shanks is far beyond Mihawk now as a Yonko.

Smoker is a bit of an inbetweener. Portrayed as Luffy’s marine rival, not exactly in the ballpark strength wise, but will probably be there one day soon.

Depends on the person. Law and Kid have been portrayed to be exclusively Luffy’s rivals. Those three and Teach have been singled out to be the leaders of the Worst Generation. They’re around each other’s level, Teach aside.
says the one rocking a luffy avi. You’re blatantly ignoring zoros portrayal pushing ur nonsense fan made rivalry.
Lmao because rocking a Luffy ava makes me devoid of sense. You’re right, I am ignoring “portrayal” that you say has shown Zoro as a candidate for Pirate King, it’s just funny that you’re accusing me or pushing “nonsense fan made” things.
 
@OEKaneki i get the reasoning but by using your own reasoning Mihawk is in the same level as Shanks because they are considered rivals even if Shanks is a emperor. You said yourself that like Big Mom and Kaido you can still be on the same level even tho you did not fight since a longtime if you were deemed rivals.
I mean, Luffy is considered to be the fifth Emperor but even tho neither Law nor Kidd nor Smoker as shown any feat that rival Luffy, even tho none of them had a fight with Luffy you are still giving them a free pass to be on his level or to reach it soon.

If you want to be consistent and want to say that Mihawk cannot be considered on Shanks level because the latter is a emperor, you cannot considered Kidd and Law on Luffy’s level neither.
 
Zoro (this one's obvious)
Luffy ("he's the MC")
Hancock (she kicked some pacifista she is bare minimum Doflamingo to Admiral level)

Are the big 3.
the hancock one is the worst , she literally has no status or feats or portrayal just pure fanservice power which is why she is indeed on par with the admirals i don't know why you hate her .
 
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@OEKaneki i get the reasoning but by using your own reasoning Mihawk is in the same level as Shanks because they are considered rivals even if Shanks is a emperor. You said yourself that like Big Mom and Kaido you can still be on the same level even tho you did not fight since a longtime if you were deemed rivals.
I mean, Luffy is considered to be the fifth Emperor but even tho neither Law nor Kidd nor Smoker as shown any feat that rival Luffy, even tho none of them had a fight with Luffy you are still giving them a free pass to be on his level or to reach it soon.

If you want to be consistent and want to say that Mihawk cannot be considered on Shanks level because the latter is a emperor, you cannot considered Kidd and Law on Luffy’s level neither.
That wasn’t my reasoning. You ignored the part where I said it depends on portrayal. Law and Kid have been portrayed to be near Luffy. Shanks has been portrayed alongside Kaido, Big Mom, and Whitebeard. Mihawk has not. Shanks has been portrayed to be well above him. The balance of power dictated this a long time ago.
 
That wasn’t my reasoning. You ignored the part where I said it depends on portrayal. Law and Kid have been portrayed to be near Luffy. Shanks has been portrayed alongside Kaido, Big Mom, and Whitebeard. Mihawk has not. Shanks has been portrayed to be well above him. The balance of power dictated this a long time ago.
Ok so the fact that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks is a swordsman does not count as portrayal for Mihawk? Or the only title that count is the Yonko one?
Furthermore, Oda, in a SBS, named WB, Shanks and Mihawk as legend among men why this not count as portrayal for Mihawk?
When exactly Shanks has been portray « well above » Mihawk?
 
Ok so the fact that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks is a swordsman does not count as portrayal for Mihawk? Or the only title that count is the Yonko one?
Furthermore, Oda, in a SBS, named WB, Shanks and Mihawk as legend among men why this not count as portrayal for Mihawk?
When exactly Shanks has been portray « well above » Mihawk?
No, it doesn’t, given that:

• Whitebeard was called the World’s Strongest Man despite being weaker than Roger and probably being matched by Garp.
• Kaido was the World’s Strongest Creature while Whitebeard was the World’s Strongest Man, despite man being a subset of creature.
• World’s Strongest Creature was also brushed off by Shanks, who was not the World’s Strongest Man, on his way to Marineford.
• Dragon is the World’s Most Heinous Criminal, despite not being any more heinous than Luffy.

Shanks’ portrayal as a Yonko is concrete, and we’ve seen that twice now, when he matched Whitebeard and matched Kaido. He is above Mihawk based on that, and based on what we know of the balance of power.
 
No, it doesn’t, given that:

• Whitebeard was called the World’s Strongest Man despite being weaker than Roger and probably being matched by Garp.
• Kaido was the World’s Strongest Creature while Whitebeard was the World’s Strongest Man, despite man being a subset of creature.
• World’s Strongest Creature was also brushed off by Shanks, who was not the World’s Strongest Man, on his way to Marineford.
• Dragon is the World’s Most Heinous Criminal, despite not being any more heinous than Luffy.

Shanks’ portrayal as a Yonko is concrete, and we’ve seen that twice now, when he matched Whitebeard and matched Kaido. He is above Mihawk based on that, and based on what we know of the balance of power.
-Whitebeard was never portrayed nor said to be weaker than Roger at any given time in the story
-Which means that Kaido was stronger than WB
-We do not know how their encounter happened and Shanks was not alone, he has his whole crew with him. You know the crew hyped up to be composed of exceptional individuals.
-Dragon is the most dangerous criminal not the most heinous. And his title is not a strength based title anyway

Yeah so the only title that count is the Yonko title, which is the he only title the Shanks hold. Coincidence?
Funnily enough you gave this title more weight than the others when we have canon proof that being considered to be an emperor is word of mouth. Furthermore, the Yonko title is not a strength title as proven by Luffy being considered to be Emperor even tho he is not a top tier.

The balance of power pretty much prove that Mihawk is on the same ballpark of the Yonko and the admirals.

Yeah and Oda speak of him in the same breath as WB and Shanks which portray him as to be on their level.
 
-Whitebeard was never portrayed nor said to be weaker than Roger at any given time in the story
-Which means that Kaido was stronger than WB
-We do not know how their encounter happened and Shanks was not alone, he has his whole crew with him. You know the crew hyped up to be composed of exceptional individuals.
-Dragon is the most dangerous criminal not the most heinous. And his title is not a strength based title anyway
Um, what? Whitebeard was not portrayed to be inferior to Roger? Did Roger not beat a man who Whitebeard was a subordinate to? Which would ultimately imply that Roger was stronger than Whitebeard, and then Whitebeard later caught up?

Kaido was never stronger than Whitebeard.

We know that Shanks brushed him off. Stop with this "but his crew" garbage, the Yonko are massively stronger than their crew. Nobody was going to interfere in a match between Shanks and Kaido, in the same way that nobody did when Whitebeard and Shanks clashed.

The literal translation of Dragon's epithet is the World's Worst Criminal or the World's Most Heinous Criminal. Funimation apparently dubs him as the latter, the japanese text the former, both of which are the same in the context given, and neither which accurately describe him.
Yeah so the only title that count is the Yonko title, which is the he only title the Shanks hold. Coincidence?
Funnily enough you gave this title more weight than the others when we have canon proof that being considered to be an emperor is word of mouth. Furthermore, the Yonko title is not a strength title as proven by Luffy being considered to be Emperor even tho he is not a top tier.
"Yonko is not a strength title," my god. Yonko is not a strength title when Whitebeard was the World's Strongest Man, Kaido was the World's Strongest Creature joined by Big Mom, who was hyped to be indestructible or damn near close to it, all of whose strength was emphasized by Sengoku when talking about them. It's not a strength title when Shanks was only named a Yonko six years prior after an incident, which likely involved his strength, which we've seen was enough to be on par with Whitebeard and heard was enough to be on Kaido's level. It's not a strength title when Teach wasn't immediately named a Yonko following Whitbeard's death, and wasn't named one until he crushed Marco in the Payback War.

Nobody except the uninformed believed Luffy to be on Yonko level. He was then and still is not among them. Teach even said that it was too early for him to be considered that. Big Mom outright stated that she never lost thus making it illegitimate. Kaido smashed his skull in and then mocked him. Shanks said that he'll be seeing Luffy "soon" as opposed to "now," meaning that Shanks knew that Luffy was rising but was yet to be at that level.

Luffy being named the fifth emperor was not the same thing as being an actual Yonko, as it was hype. As a matter of fact, it proved that what makes a Yonko is first and foremost strength. People like to bs about how being a Yonko is about allies and territory, both of which Luffy has, and yet was humiliated by a Yonko because he wasn't on their level. Yonko is absolutely a strength title, and it's utter nonsense to say otherwise.
The balance of power pretty much prove that Mihawk is on the same ballpark of the Yonko and the admirals.
Uh, no, it does not. It proves that the Yonko are the top dogs on the sea. It proves that the Admirals, and Mihawk, are not on the level of the Yonko.
Yeah and Oda speak of him in the same breath as WB and Shanks which portray him as to be on their level.
And? It does not portray Mihawk in the same realm as Shanks and Whitebeard. Legends differ in degree. Oda has shown where each legend ranks in the story, and Shanks ranks above Mihawk.

Btw, to get back on topic, thanks for proving my point about how Mihawk is the most overrated character in the entire series. When you resort to saying that Yonko "is not a strength title" to justify the strength of another character in comparison, you've overrated the other character.
 
Um, what? Whitebeard was not portrayed to be inferior to Roger? Did Roger not beat a man who Whitebeard was a subordinate to? Which would ultimately imply that Roger was stronger than Whitebeard, and then Whitebeard later caught up?

Kaido was never stronger than Whitebeard.

We know that Shanks brushed him off. Stop with this "but his crew" garbage, the Yonko are massively stronger than their crew. Nobody was going to interfere in a match between Shanks and Kaido, in the same way that nobody did when Whitebeard and Shanks clashed.

The literal translation of Dragon's epithet is the World's Worst Criminal or the World's Most Heinous Criminal. Funimation apparently dubs him as the latter, the japanese text the former, both of which are the same in the context given, and neither which accurately describe him.

"Yonko is not a strength title," my god. Yonko is not a strength title when Whitebeard was the World's Strongest Man, Kaido was the World's Strongest Creature joined by Big Mom, who was hyped to be indestructible or damn near close to it, all of whose strength was emphasized by Sengoku when talking about them. It's not a strength title when Shanks was only named a Yonko six years prior after an incident, which likely involved his strength, which we've seen was enough to be on par with Whitebeard and heard was enough to be on Kaido's level. It's not a strength title when Teach wasn't immediately named a Yonko following Whitbeard's death, and wasn't named one until he crushed Marco in the Payback War.

Nobody except the uninformed believed Luffy to be on Yonko level. He was then and still is not among them. Teach even said that it was too early for him to be considered that. Big Mom outright stated that she never lost thus making it illegitimate. Kaido smashed his skull in and then mocked him. Shanks said that he'll be seeing Luffy "soon" as opposed to "now," meaning that Shanks knew that Luffy was rising but was yet to be at that level.

Luffy being named the fifth emperor was not the same thing as being an actual Yonko, as it was hype. As a matter of fact, it proved that what makes a Yonko is first and foremost strength. People like to bs about how being a Yonko is about allies and territory, both of which Luffy has, and yet was humiliated by a Yonko because he wasn't on their level. Yonko is absolutely a strength title, and it's utter nonsense to say otherwise.

Uh, no, it does not. It proves that the Yonko are the top dogs on the sea. It proves that the Admirals, and Mihawk, are not on the level of the Yonko.

And? It does not portray Mihawk in the same realm as Shanks and Whitebeard. Legends differ in degree. Oda has shown where each legend ranks in the story, and Shanks ranks above Mihawk.

Btw, to get back on topic, thanks for proving my point about how Mihawk is the most overrated character in the entire series. When you resort to saying that Yonko "is not a strength title" to justify the strength of another character in comparison, you've overrated the other character.
WB was never portrayed to be inferior to Roger. Considering that WB was weaker than Roger and catch up later is your interpretation. There is no evidence that support that.

Headcanon.

It is not garbage, we have canon information that highlight Shanks cimmanders. Saying that Shanks « brush off » Kaido alone is pure headcanon to glorified Shanks.
No ones intervene between Shanks and WB because they were alone.

It is the worst criminal because he opposes directly the WG, so yeah it described him pretty well.

Wait...are you using the same titles (WSM and WSC) you downplay in your previous post to prop up the Yonko one? So the « World’s strongest » title are a proof of strength now?
It is not a strength base title when Luffy who is not a top tier was deemed one after basically doing what BB has done ( having territories and beating a YC1).

He was still deemed to be one, the fact that he can be call an emperor just prove that the title don’t mean much. Do you see Morgan calling Luffy or whoever for that matter the WSM? Or WSC? No but he called him the 5th emperors which proves that you do not have to prove much strength wise to be called an Emperor.

Yeah being called an emperor is hype that is exactly what I’m saying and no it is not a strength base title a non top tier can be called that (which is why you are real strength title -that you downplay in your previous post - to prop up the Yonko title).
You would have a case of a non top tier was called the WSM after WB death but no one does that, why? Because the WSM is actually a strength base title that no one would dare to give of you, if you are not that strong.

The fact that the balance of power is the 4 emperors and their crew = The Marine HQ + Shishibukai is basically a proof their there is the same amount of power on both sides therefore there is the same amount of top tiers.

Where did Oda said that legend differ in degree and what in his sentence let suppose that Mihawk is not on the same level as WB and Shanks? Is that an other of your interpretation?

Not really what Oda has shown is that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks is a swordsman which pretty much put Mihawk above him.

I do not use the «Yonko title is not a strength base title » to props up Mihawk, I’m just stating what has been present to us until now. You, on the other hand, deliberately disregard canon facts to props the Yonko title, because it is the only title that Shanks has.

If for you overating Mihawk is not considering that the Yonko are above anyone, which is not a fact but an interpretation, your definition of « the most overacted character » is quite off.
 
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