Powers & Abilities Exploring lnternal Destruction CoA for Swordsmen..
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You are missing the fact that haki means "will". If you count what we learned from Zoro's flashback about cutting paper and steel and Hyo explaining the same thing to Luffy. I think we can assume that since they are "flowing" their "Will" aka haki their swords should not be destroyed if their intention isn't to break the sword. That is IF what Zoro is doing counts as Internal destruction.
Sanji vs Black Maria confirms this fact 100% that Haki follows the users intentions. Since Sanji had no "will" to hurt black maria "his armament" became "soft" according to him of course.
So why would the swords break if the user has no intention to break them only to transfer their "will" of cutting towards something else.
Finally again if internal destruction is what Zoro was doing then sure his blades should not break if he isn't willing to break them.
Sanji vs Black Maria confirms this fact 100% that Haki follows the users intentions. Since Sanji had no "will" to hurt black maria "his armament" became "soft" according to him of course.
So why would the swords break if the user has no intention to break them only to transfer their "will" of cutting towards something else.
Finally again if internal destruction is what Zoro was doing then sure his blades should not break if he isn't willing to break them.
Yes but Luffy's arm did not shrink like Zoro's which means Enma took more than what Luffy have outputted.
Sure maybe but we have to take into account that those with high "will" will always win against low "will" Zoro vs Pica final stand when Zoro mocks Pica and states his Haki is better aka "better will" And since he also has CoC which in turn enables him to control the will of the blade makes him having a better "will" than the blade it self.
Sure maybe but we have to take into account that those with high "will" will always win against low "will" Zoro vs Pica final stand when Zoro mocks Pica and states his Haki is better aka "better will" And since he also has CoC which in turn enables him to control the will of the blade makes him having a better "will" than the blade it self.
And when Zoro took back his Haki from Enma it went back to normal identical to Luffy up to Shoulder.. lts just to show the amount of Haki that need to be transfered for internal destruction at a human scale with the Tree and Enma channeling with a Sword..
l don't disagree there but i do not see how it is related to what were were saying?..
l don't disagree there but i do not see how it is related to what were were saying?..
The Haki marking up to the their shoulder should not be an indicator on how much haki was used.. It is very clear that Enma took more that is why Zoro's arm shrank. Well it is related since you are the one who brought up the fact that Enma wasn't destroyed due to Zoro "not confirmed" using internal destruction on. I tried to explain to you its not possible since the haki was taken from him unwillingly which means he never intended to use "internal destruction". And haki is about Will and intention explained by Rayleigh. So your theory of Zoro's using internal destruction instead of AdvCoC is invalid.
Here you go :cheers:
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The flow indicate massive transfer of CoA into purple smoke which is internal destruction CoA overflow.. Do you not agree with that?..
Even if Enma took more it still proves my point because Enma was unstable at that time..
Willingly or unwillingly.. There was massive CoA transfer that exceeded hardening, meaning the equivalent of internal destruction CoA for Swordsmen.. lt's logical to think that a normal Sword who is an object the same as the detonating shackles would break from within yet it's not happening with Enma due to its Willpower..
Even if Enma took more it still proves my point because Enma was unstable at that time..
Willingly or unwillingly.. There was massive CoA transfer that exceeded hardening, meaning the equivalent of internal destruction CoA for Swordsmen.. lt's logical to think that a normal Sword who is an object the same as the detonating shackles would break from within yet it's not happening with Enma due to its Willpower..
Luffy was using excessive amount of haki in his G4 and that created a smoke around him. His attacks were never Internal destruction. There is no confirmation that the purple flames are internal destruction. What we know for sure is that black lighting in that amount equals CoC and since those Black lighting have been transferred to his swords it means he flowed the CoC to his swords which translate into CoC coating aka AdvCoC.
Excessive amount of haki doesn't mean its internal destruction.
Now funny you brought up the shackles and the swords with willingness and unwillingness in one sentence.
For the detonating shackles. Luffy was willing intending and his intention was to break those shackles/collar. So that exactly what happened.
As for Enma. Zoro was caught off guard when Enma decided to suck more haki out of him. He was willing to cut as he usually do but the cut was huge due to enma empowering the attack at the cost of Zoro's haki. The attack was a slash intended to cut the tree not to destroy it from the inside. So that exactly what happened the cut was sent from the blade to the tree to the cliff.
Excessive amount of haki doesn't mean its internal destruction.
Now funny you brought up the shackles and the swords with willingness and unwillingness in one sentence.
For the detonating shackles. Luffy was willing intending and his intention was to break those shackles/collar. So that exactly what happened.
As for Enma. Zoro was caught off guard when Enma decided to suck more haki out of him. He was willing to cut as he usually do but the cut was huge due to enma empowering the attack at the cost of Zoro's haki. The attack was a slash intended to cut the tree not to destroy it from the inside. So that exactly what happened the cut was sent from the blade to the tree to the cliff.
That's a really good point..
However the white Smoke is not CoA based.. lt's related to Luffy's devil fruit sun god Nika awakening..
The purple Smoke is CoA based as it split in Black lightning and Green Smoke(Enma's Soul)..
There was no CoC in the purple Smoke so the Black lightning is definitely CoA based..
How..
You know it's easier overall to cut than to punch.. The same applies with, internal destruction CoA it's way harder to bust that tree open with haki effortlessly than to cut that tree with Haki or without..
And that's what i'm saying there is no destroying from inside for Swordsmen..
However the white Smoke is not CoA based.. lt's related to Luffy's devil fruit sun god Nika awakening..
The purple Smoke is CoA based as it split in Black lightning and Green Smoke(Enma's Soul)..
There was no CoC in the purple Smoke so the Black lightning is definitely CoA based..
How..
You know it's easier overall to cut than to punch.. The same applies with, internal destruction CoA it's way harder to bust that tree open with haki effortlessly than to cut that tree with Haki or without..
And that's what i'm saying there is no destroying from inside for Swordsmen..
I agree that the smoke is just an indicator of how much haki was being released but i don't agree on the fact its an internal destruction application here. When Zoro used Enma the 1st time there was no Black lighting but when he accepted that he is a King and fodders started to collapse around him we see both Black lighting and Smokes around his swords.
Which amount to AdvCoC "Black lighting" and excessive amount of haki drainage in the form of the smoke.
True but there was no internal destruction confirmation for Zoro's smoke appearance.
Which means there was no "Internal" destruction in the form of Smokes for Zoro's while we have definite proof that black lighting on fists and Swords/Club are CoC coating aka AdvCoC.
Which amount to AdvCoC "Black lighting" and excessive amount of haki drainage in the form of the smoke.
True but there was no internal destruction confirmation for Zoro's smoke appearance.
Which means there was no "Internal" destruction in the form of Smokes for Zoro's while we have definite proof that black lighting on fists and Swords/Club are CoC coating aka AdvCoC.
Ok.. Then i would say to that the Black lighting and the Green Smoke were fused together in the Purple Smoke, thus when Stabilized they divided equally reaching harmony..
l'm just saying it's different for Swordsmen but ultimately what is internal destruction, it's more of the same flowing Haki into the Blade to an adnormal level.. Unless you are saying there is no application of internal destruction CoA for Swordsmen.. l don't see how Enma's purple Smoke can be anything other than that..
l'm just saying it's different for Swordsmen but ultimately what is internal destruction, it's more of the same flowing Haki into the Blade to an adnormal level.. Unless you are saying there is no application of internal destruction CoA for Swordsmen.. l don't see how Enma's purple Smoke can be anything other than that..
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- Flowing Haki into objects is just that. For this to happen you need only the ability to flow the haki from your body into something explained by Hyo. And Hyo also confessed that is all he could do because for a Swordman its easier to cut than to do the next step.
- Internal destruction is sending haki into an object with the "intent" of destroying it from within. For this you need the ability to flow your haki as a 1st step which is all Hyo can do. Then having more potential to be able to apply more to the flow.
So if you remember how Luffy was training. He kept releasing so much unnecessary haki and Hyo kept telling him that is not the way before Luffy crushed the collars. The same applies to what Enma did to Zoro. It kept taking so much haki because its being greedy. The purple smoke could be just an indicator of how much flow of haki was released out of Zoro. Since there is no proof that what this smoke is we can't go out of the way ourselves and call it internal destruction and the only explanation we have gotten is that Enma takes so much haki. And later on when Zoro accepted to release so much haki at once which resulted in smokes around all his blade.
I am not saying there isn't an application of internal destruction for swordman all i am saying is we haven't seen any yet and there was no explanation for it too. But we have explanation for is CoC and AdvCoC which is whenever it stated there is AdvCoC in the work we see black lighting around the attacks.
- Flowing Haki into objects is just that. For this to happen you need only the ability to flow the haki from your body into something explained by Hyo. And Hyo also confessed that is all he could do because for a Swordman its easier to cut than to do the next step.
- Internal destruction is sending haki into an object with the "intent" of destroying it from within. For this you need the ability to flow your haki as a 1st step which is all Hyo can do. Then having more potential to be able to apply more to the flow.
So if you remember how Luffy was training. He kept releasing so much unnecessary haki and Hyo kept telling him that is not the way before Luffy crushed the collars. The same applies to what Enma did to Zoro. It kept taking so much haki because its being greedy. The purple smoke could be just an indicator of how much flow of haki was released out of Zoro. Since there is no proof that what this smoke is we can't go out of the way ourselves and call it internal destruction and the only explanation we have gotten is that Enma takes so much haki. And later on when Zoro accepted to release so much haki at once which resulted in smokes around all his blade.
I am not saying there isn't an application of internal destruction for swordman all i am saying is we haven't seen any yet and there was no explanation for it too. But we have explanation for is CoC and AdvCoC which is whenever it stated there is AdvCoC in the work we see black lighting around the attacks.
So if i understand correctly on those 2 things..
Are you saying that essentially imbuing Haki in your Swords is internal destruction CoA?..
Are you saying that the fluffy purple stuff is only a visual representation that a lot of Haki is being channeled in the Sword but not in the Smoke itself?..
The thing is with AdCoC they are not touching as well, which Zoro did touch through Haki lightning with Dragon Damnation..
And the trail pattern are different too..
Are you saying that essentially imbuing Haki in your Swords is internal destruction CoA?..
Are you saying that the fluffy purple stuff is only a visual representation that a lot of Haki is being channeled in the Sword but not in the Smoke itself?..
The thing is with AdCoC they are not touching as well, which Zoro did touch through Haki lightning with Dragon Damnation..
And the trail pattern are different too..
Internal destruction COA is not a different type of COA but a different application of it. It is about flowing your haki into the opponent or object and as it get released internally, it does damage from the inside out. Contrary to this, barrier haki involves flowing your haki *externally to coat your body or weapon.
Therefore, to determine if a swordsman can apply internal destruction, it depends on how they are using haki with their sword.
If the swordsman is able to flow haki into the sword till it leaks out then it is very likely that the swordsman can use internal destruction. If the sword is replaced with a stick or handcuffs etc, that much haki flowing into such an object would destroy it from the inside out.
Therefore, to determine if a swordsman can apply internal destruction, it depends on how they are using haki with their sword.
If the swordsman is able to flow haki into the sword till it leaks out then it is very likely that the swordsman can use internal destruction. If the sword is replaced with a stick or handcuffs etc, that much haki flowing into such an object would destroy it from the inside out.