Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman

[Rootbeer]

You can't win this one bro. If you show a panel that's contrary to his assertions, he'll simply claim that Oda intended otherwise and simply drew what you see for aesthetic reasons

Maybe i'm poorly explaining it.. But what matters is the power reveal of AdCoC on Chapter 1010 an the Main characteristic is not
touching.. Oden says it, Law says it.. Why not accept it..

lt's the same concept that got many people confused over Hardening CoA and base invisible CoA.. Claiming all sorts of bullshit it was not shown pre timesKip bla bla bla, there is only Hardening, Base CoA doesn't exist and such.. To this day some still don't get it..

Do you understand my point?..

 

[Artem]

What part do you not get that it was not drawn.. You must still assume that Kaido doesn't touch them directly or invisible touch..

Maybe the white trails is Kaido not touching but it's distorted due to his speed..

OK. Then you can assume that Zoro does not touch King, but cuts acoc with lightning

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the white trails is Kaido not touching but it's distorted due to his speed..

Fuck

 

[Score]

Maybe i'm poorly explaining it.. But what matters is the power reveal of AdCoC on Chapter 1010 an the Main characteristic is not
touching.. Oden says it, Law says it.. Why not accept it..

lt's the same concept that got many people confused over Hardening CoA and base invisible CoA.. Claiming all sorts of bullshit it was not shown pre timesKip bla bla bla, there is only Hardening, Base CoA doesn't exist and such.. To this day some still don't get it..

Do you understand my point?..

It looks exactly like AdCoC, and we've seen AdCoC attacks physically touch opponents more than once. The simple explanation is there; no need to devise a new ability to conform to your agenda

 

[Rootbeer]

It looks exactly like AdCoC, and we've seen AdCoC attacks physically touch opponents more than once. The simple explanation is there; no need to devise a new ability to conform to your agenda

 

[Artem]

Maybe i'm poorly explaining it.. But what matters is the power reveal of AdCoC on Chapter 1010 an the Main characteristic is not
touching.. Oden says it, Law says it.. Why not accept it..

lt's the same concept that got many people confused over Hardening CoA and base invisible CoA.. Claiming all sorts of bullshit it was not shown pre timesKip bla bla bla, there is only Hardening, Base CoA doesn't exist and such.. To this day some still don't get it..

Do you understand my point?..

There are no concepts here. ACOC has one concept. These are black lightning bolts emanating from the hand, baton, blade, etc. Zoro can discard the acoc king, as he has already shown. You can use acoc as a barrier, you can hit it with a touch. Acoc is also hacks, only of a more powerful level. Zoro said that he used it as a barrier, pushing King away. Luffy has shown that he can hit them without touching (as a barrier),Or maybe touch. Kaido hits acoc point-blank, almost always touching the opponent with a baton. Nowhere does it say that acoc = do not touch. There is only one concept. The presence of coc and black lightning striking from a weapon (not to be confused with similar traces of coa, they are visually different)

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Luffy just replaced the coa coating (the barrier around the body, which hyogoro taught him) with acoc (the same as with acoa, only stronger). One more time. The acoc owner can use acoc as he pleases (as well as a simple haki). It can be in the form of a stationary type. Can touch directly.

equally

The only difference is that on the first frame acoa, and on the second acoc,But the technique of application is the same.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Do you realize Shanks used CoC in chapter 1?

Haki was inexistent until its confirmation at chapter 500+.

What Shanks did was intimidation until Oda turned it into Haki. Any shonen out there has that Intimidation stuff (in Toriko is even an actual skill lol). It's a fucking generic "power".

So no, for half of manga Zoro was an actual swordsman. Haki has nothing to do with swordsmen in particular. It amplifies the output power like for everyone else that uses Haki.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Haki was inexistent until its confirmation at chapter 500+.

Not true. The term "haki" was first used by Blackbeard during Jaya, chapter 234.

Mantra is definitely CoO which was introduced in Skypea arc, around chapter 250+

Remember that Smoker, a logia, was introduced at the very early stages of the story and Oda probably had some sort of blueprint for CoA so Luffy could fight logias.

What Shanks did was intimidation until Oda turned it into Haki.

You can claim that it was a hype moment that got retconned to CoC, but there is no way to prove it. Canonically, Shanks used CoC against the lord of the coast.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Not true. The term "haki" was first used by Blackbeard during Jaya, chapter 234.

Mantra is definitely CoO which was introduced in Skypea arc, around chapter 250+

Remember that Smoker, a logia, was introduced at the very early stages of the story and Oda probably had some sort of blueprint for CoA so Luffy could fight logias.

He used "willpower" if I'm not wrong, which is Haki translation.

Ofc Mantra is CoO, why are you saying it like it's not confirmed lmao?
Anyway, that's irrelevant like I said. If Oda finally wouldnt have decided to implement Haki, Mantra could have stayed as Mantra and that's it.
On the other hand, Mantra is irrelevant in this topic about swordsmen and Haki, which obviously centers about Armament and AdCoC, which are the Haki that enhances the output power of an attack.

Like I said, it's irrelevant the "hints" until chapter 500+ or so, when Haki is introduced explicitly.
Until that point, Zoro was a swordsman and that's it. Therefore your thread does not make any sense trying to join both things when they could live apart perfectly fine.

So no, Haki does not make a swordsman.

You can claim that it was a hype moment that got retconned to CoC, but there is no way to prove it. Canonically, Shanks used CoC against the lord of the coast.

It's a fact that it was retconned to Haki.

 

[straightforward]

zoro would have tanked divine departure and murked snitch