Questions & Mysteries Is advanced CoC really only no touching?

#83
Not similar at all.. AdCoC Black Lightning trails appear shortly and disappear the moment of the charge.. Enma mode(KoH mode) is
stabiliized and Black Lightning is floating around, casually chilling on the swords.. A close type of Attack to Zoro's Dragon Damnation would be Roger's Kamusari.. Both are CoA based CoC technique.. So far only those 2 have portrayed the next Haki step for Swordsmen i think..



Luffy was hurting Kaido pretty good with AdCoC when he attained it on Chapter 1010..




How do you know if you're truly not cutting if you're not touching?..
lol all i know is you said this: You're not a real Swordsman if you're not cutting.. You kind of answered it yourself.. Not touching is not cutting and that is utterly pointless as a Swordsman..

shanks is a prime example of the pinnacle of swordsmanship. how can u argue against the manga when it clearly says there are swordsmen who can not cut but can cut through steel and we see shanks do just that lol
 

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#86
But how do you explain Oden and Law's reactions?
It could be two things imo.

Either

1.Oden and Law do not have barrier haki, thus when they are witnessing such powerful attacks done from a distance they are in awe.
Even if Oden and Law have seen barrier haki, the application of CoC takes it to a whole other level as an offensive tool, so they can simply be shocked how an attack done without contact can be as effective as they are witnessing (this might be a bit of a reach though).

Tldr;

Their reactions are to highlight overall haki mastery/proficiency (application of high level CoA and high level CoC) vs simply advCoC or simply barrier haki.

Which does make (some) sense.

OR

2. AdvCoC is just a copy of CoA where it has levels/versions to it and non contact is the lvl 2 version of CoC regardless of any CoA application.


My issue with number 2 is the emphasis Luffy puts on learning non contact from hyou in prison. Which is a CoA application.

The counter argument would be learning how CoA flow works helped Luffy apply the same logic to CoC, but that requires more assumptions (and it strips CoA of it's use completely, or uniqueness) so I don't subscribe to it.



Anyways thanks Oda 👍
 
#87
Sorry but I’m gonna ignore the rest of the arguments and focus on this and only this for now

let’s start from the basics here

Do you believe Zoro has CoC?
Yes Zoro has CoC..
And to save you some time.. KoH is a CoA based Coc technique.. Just the same as Roger's Kamusari, it's a CoA based CoC technique..
What Roger did was foreshadowing the next Haki level for the Pirate King path and for the WSS path..
 
#92
lol all i know is you said this: You're not a real Swordsman if you're not cutting.. You kind of answered it yourself.. Not touching is not cutting and that is utterly pointless as a Swordsman..

shanks is a prime example of the pinnacle of swordsmanship. how can u argue against the manga when it clearly says there are swordsmen who can not cut but can cut through steel and we see shanks do just that lol
What Zoro did in Alabasta with the Leafs is exactly touching and not cutting at the same time..
No matter if you're cutting or not, you have to always touch as a Swordsman aiming for the Pinnacle of Swordsmanship.. That's the main point..
 
#97
What is the difference between this and AdvCoC
The visual difference is Not touching..
Other than that one is a CoA based CoC attack while the other is a CoC based CoA attack..
And i will go as far to say that Black Blades will be a CoA based CoC application..

I'd like you to think of Roger's Kamusari and Dragon Damnation as the Swordsmen version of Kuja Arrows..



Or even Ace's spears..



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She did it against P1. Her CoC amplified the attack. Same introduction Luffy using it in 1010
That was not Internal Destruction, Only AdCoC.. Else it would have looked bigger like Garp's attack..

 
#98
You said Level 2 is barrier haki and Level 3 is internal destruction

didn’t big mom hit Page one with a barrier? Where are you getting internal destruction there?
No she hit him with internal destruction as it has the same case as Luffy's CoC. Luffy's internal destruction was too shallow so to amp the power of his internal destruction he added his CoC into it.




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That was not Internal Destruction, Only AdCoC.. Else it would have looked bigger like Garp's attack..

Wrong Garp's attack doesn't overwrite what's already been written and explained in Wano. You making up your own headcanon measuring tool
 
#99
The visual difference is Not touching..
Let me ask, what would happen if Luffy used CoA and made a barrier… And then Added CoC to it and then punched someone with CoA barrier mixed with CoC

what’s the difference between that and AdvCoC?
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No she hit him with internal destruction as it has the same case as Luffy's CoC.
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And if I say “Big mom made a level 2 haki barrier and then added CoC to it and hit page one”

what in the manga proves the above stated is wrong
 
No she hit him with internal destruction as it has the same case as Luffy's CoC. Luffy's internal destruction was too shallow so to amp the power of his internal destruction he added his CoC into it.




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Wrong Garp's attack doesn't overwrite what's already been written and explained in Wano. You making up your own headcanon measuring tool
Internal Destruction CoA is a touching attack it either flows in AdCoC or in someone's body.. CoA emission is the defensive not touching attack which can't flow in things..
 
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