General & Others Garp needs to take an L for this manga to be taken seriously

#41
There is more logic behind garp losing to BB pirates (I still think black beard or aokiji for that to happen) than kids unimpressive crew beating shanks crew or law beating one of the final antagonist for one piece, can you stop sounding so mad you made a extremely bad guess Witt kid get over it you sound really pathetic because you can't handle you were wrong.
I dont think many expected Kidd to win, they did expect him to show some growth though, but the man learned nothing. Still relying solely on his devil fruit and no haki mastery whatsoever.
 
#42
I have explained this in the thread i made about it. Blackbeard waited for kaido/big mom to be taken down so he could target one of the captain trio instead, because he views that as an easier route. If blackbeard beats law then that would prove him right in underestimating the new era, which completely contradicts the theme of wano. Blackbeard is not in his prime yet and him losing to law is fine as long as he can redeem himself against garp. its the old era that should be sacrificed for blackbeard not law
Since you think Kid and Law are Luffy's biggest rival and think Blackbeard should job to Law this late, let me educate you.

DRESSROSA ARC

This is Law versus Doflamingo.

This is Luffy versus Doflamingo.

WHOLE CAKE ISLAND ARC

This is Brulee gossiping about some Supernovas including Kid versus a Sweet General.


Now here's her gossiping about Luffy versus the STRONGEST Sweet General.


WANO ARC

Kid and Law beating Big Mom together.

Luffy beating Kaido alone.

PRESKIP BLACKBEARD

Here's preskip Blackbeard doing what WCI Luffy could barely pull off.

POSTSKIP BLACKBEARD

This is Blackbeard right after the timeskip.

You notice a difference between Blackbeard and Kid and Law? Kid and Law have been consistently used as hypetools for the next big bad and achieved lesser versions of Luffy's accomplishments. Blackbeard on the other hand has been way ahead of Luffy since their starts as pirate captains (don't get me started on his crew being portrayed as "better" versions of their Straw Hat counterparts). Luffy doesn't have to catch up to Kid and Law. He has to catch up to Teach. If Luffy still has yet to catch up with Teach, why would Teach job to a lesser pirate than Luffy all of the sudden?
 
#43
Why is there such a huge lack of tension in one piece? It's because Lolda keeps clowning on all the bad guy antagonists just for cheap fanservice hype for the popular goody goody characters. People thought Oda shitted on greenbull because he hates marines, yet oda was more than happy to glorify Garp, ThE LegEnDarY HeRo. What's the difference? Because garp is a nice guy and greenbull is not. Imagine clowning a final war antagonist just for fanservice. But Lolda didn't stop there. He has now clowned on luffy's rival too. Antagonists and rivals in the dirt. "BBBUT MARINES AREN'T THE REAL ANTAGONIST ANYWAY, REAL VILLAINS ARE GOROSEI AND IMU ALL ABOVE ADMIRALS". This just shows how desperate the fandom actually is for tension and intimidating villains. Op fans literally have to HEADCANON THEIR OWN TENSION INTO THE STORY because deep down they know if things stay the way they are, we are going to get some boring micky mouse final war. Fans have no choice to but to pretend that oda is secretly storing all this tension in the form of 5 ugly old men. Some people are even hoping shanks has actually been a villain the whole time even if that means creating the most garbage nonsensical plot twist in manga history. That's how desperate people are

Even Blackbeard looks like a clown. Choking boa and running from old Rayleigh is not good enough hype for an endgame antagonist. But blackbeards crew is even worse. They have absolutely 0 hype so far. However, now Oda has a chance with the situation at Hachinosu. There are 3 choices Oda can make

Option 1: Shiryu/pizzaro/vasco kill or capture garp. (hypes up the blackbeard pirates as a powerfull, dangerous force and creates excitement for the future prospect of strawhats vs blackbeard pirates. Also creates some drama and emotion due to garps loss)

Option 2: Garp wins. (makes blackbeard's crew look like the biggest weakling clowns to the point that even after getting new devil fruits, they still cant beat an old man that just uses big punches)

Option 3: Trollda somehow inserts some interruption and avoids the conflict entirely and wastes all of our time

Hopefully Oda makes the right choice. Praying on Garp's downfall rn
Yeah no, I doubt any of the commanders will capture or kill Garp.
 
#44
Having to introduce EOS antagonists because you missused your existing ones is a sign of a failed writer. I bet you enjoyed the whole Kaguya nonsense with Naruto.

God forbid we get actual stakes or tension in this manga.
Marines were never eos antagonist types, that’s your own expectation failing you. They were never competent, and a bunch of clowns just like real life cops. Admirals also aren’t really endgame material, at least not for Luffy, he already beat a yonko, and one of the stronger ones. It was always the world government side and BB that are EoS villains. BB’s not looking so good though. WG can be separated from the marines, and we need new fighters against the bulk of the good guy side, not for Luffy, Zoro, Sanji. They can fight admirals and Imu.
 
#45
Why is there such a huge lack of tension in one piece? It's because Lolda keeps clowning on all the bad guy antagonists just for cheap fanservice hype for the popular goody goody characters. People thought Oda shitted on greenbull because he hates marines, yet oda was more than happy to glorify Garp, ThE LegEnDarY HeRo. What's the difference? Because garp is a nice guy and greenbull is not. Imagine clowning a final war antagonist just for fanservice. But Lolda didn't stop there. He has now clowned on luffy's rival too. Antagonists and rivals in the dirt. "BBBUT MARINES AREN'T THE REAL ANTAGONIST ANYWAY, REAL VILLAINS ARE GOROSEI AND IMU ALL ABOVE ADMIRALS". This just shows how desperate the fandom actually is for tension and intimidating villains. Op fans literally have to HEADCANON THEIR OWN TENSION INTO THE STORY because deep down they know if things stay the way they are, we are going to get some boring micky mouse final war. Fans have no choice to but to pretend that oda is secretly storing all this tension in the form of 5 ugly old men. Some people are even hoping shanks has actually been a villain the whole time even if that means creating the most garbage nonsensical plot twist in manga history. That's how desperate people are

Even Blackbeard looks like a clown. Choking boa and running from old Rayleigh is not good enough hype for an endgame antagonist. But blackbeards crew is even worse. They have absolutely 0 hype so far. However, now Oda has a chance with the situation at Hachinosu. There are 3 choices Oda can make

Option 1: Shiryu/pizzaro/vasco kill or capture garp. (hypes up the blackbeard pirates as a powerfull, dangerous force and creates excitement for the future prospect of strawhats vs blackbeard pirates. Also creates some drama and emotion due to garps loss)

Option 2: Garp wins. (makes blackbeard's crew look like the biggest weakling clowns to the point that even after getting new devil fruits, they still cant beat an old man that just uses big punches)

Option 3: Trollda somehow inserts some interruption and avoids the conflict entirely and wastes all of our time

Hopefully Oda makes the right choice. Praying on Garp's downfall rn
You actually make some solid points here. Oda has characters that he likes so much that he is not willing to make them look bad. This in turn however means that characters that should he getting hype end up looking bad because of oda’s bias.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#47
Man, if Garp dies at the hands of BB's underlings, I'd go around mopping the floor with anyone that says anything remotely negative about Oda. But you can only dream about such an occurrence.
It would be great for the story. I think it's possible (slim but possible).

BB pirates badly need some hype. Being a run of the mill crew isn't good enough, and heck most of them don't even have that going for them.
 

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#48
It would be great for the story. I think it's possible (slim but possible).

BB pirates badly need some hype. Being a run of the mill crew isn't good enough, and heck most of them don't even have that going for them.
You're surprisingly more optimistic than I am.:pepeanger:
 
#49
Garp getting offed while never getting to interact with Luffy or Dragon again while they're preoccupied with some other substantial shit in real time would feel odd as fuck. Especially when Oda previously said he wanted to draw Garp having a lot of interesting interactions with other character including the ones I mentioned above and within the marines.

Disregarding all of that potential that aside only to justify BB pirates, not even at half of their strength to get their "shine" by killing Garp sounds dumb as fuck and the usual iF hE diE iT goOd fOr sToRY rhetoric that a lot of you dumbasses keep bringing up.
 
#50
Garp getting offed while never getting to interact with Luffy or Dragon again while they're preoccupied with some other substantial shit in real time would feel odd as fuck. Especially when Oda previously said he wanted to draw Garp having a lot of interesting interactions with other character including the ones I mentioned above and within the marines.

Disregarding all of that potential that aside only to justify BB pirates, not even at half of their strength to get their "shine" by killing Garp sounds dumb as fuck and the usual iF hE diE iT goOd fOr sToRY rhetoric that a lot of you dumbasses keep bringing up.
Not necessarily killing Garp. But capturing him, use him instead of Koby
 
#51
Not necessarily killing Garp. But capturing him, use him instead of Koby
Yeah Garp getting captured or not leaving the island unscathed is almost a given at this point. But saying Garp not dying here would be bad for the portrayal of BB pirates (who already spread thin) and the overall tension of the story is dumb af.

It's just choosing to be oblivious of how many things Garp is still tied to in the story while echoing the usual bs rhetoric of tension and deaths with a closed mind.
 
#52
I dont think many expected Kidd to win, they did expect him to show some growth though, but the man learned nothing. Still relying solely on his devil fruit and no haki mastery whatsoever.
How can you say Kid learnt nothing when Oda didn't even draw a 1v1 battle against Shanks?
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Garp getting offed while never getting to interact with Luffy or Dragon again while they're preoccupied with some other substantial shit in real time would feel odd as fuck. Especially when Oda previously said he wanted to draw Garp having a lot of interesting interactions with other character including the ones I mentioned above and within the marines.

Disregarding all of that potential that aside only to justify BB pirates, not even at half of their strength to get their "shine" by killing Garp sounds dumb as fuck and the usual iF hE diE iT goOd fOr sToRY rhetoric that a lot of you dumbasses keep bringing up.
Garp ain't dying
He's getting captured probably

I don't even think he's gonna die even if he met Luffy when Beehive arc starts
 
#54
We have seen how useless BB crew are, even BB said it himself when the Seraphim showed up. One shot by Magellan, one fisted by Sengoku, one swinged by S-Hawk, mero mero'ed by Hancock and Burgees got clowned by Sabo. So, it's safe to assume they won't live up to the hype.

The scenario I can see is Garb fisting everyone and telling Sword to leave then Blackbeard shows up with a captured Law, goes mad and grabs Garb but not for long because of other parties involved who could pull surprises. There's Kuzan, Smoker, Sengoku, Moria, Cross Guild etc. BB will retreat as always when he sees himself outnumbered.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#55
He just landed one, the enraged Garp, leaping from airships and performing a named attack, can't match one or two swings from an actively angry Kaido, who made an enormously massive trail surpassing the dimensions of an island easily and making it tremble from end to end. Garp's attack only destroyed a few buildings. It was said by Green Bull that the heat breath of a Momonosuke who was still learning to use his powers had the capacity to burn down an entire city, and they don't even come close to the versions that Kaido can perform. LOL

Now I see why the entire old generation was used as hyper propulsion material for Kaido.
 
#56
Option 2: Garp wins. (makes blackbeard's crew look like the biggest weakling clowns to the point that even after getting new devil fruits, they still cant beat an old man that just uses big punches)
The "old man that just uses big punches" Is the biggest Legend alive lol.
 
#59
Well, who else is on the island? Moriah, Perona, plus various other prisoners probably willing to enter the fray alongside Garp and crew. Perhaps Perona notified Mihawk about her sittuation and the treasure on the island. That could conceivably get Cross Guild involved. If that happens, BB's crew is pissing their pants.
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How is Luffy's greatest pirate rival losing to Law beneficial?
How is Luffy's greatest pirate king rival losing to Rayleigh beneficial? BB losing, winning, or drawing to Law has little to advance the rivaly unless Luffy has to somehow rescue Law and crew. Law is more important to OP than half of the SHs.

 
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#60
Since you think Kid and Law are Luffy's biggest rival and think Blackbeard should job to Law this late, let me educate you.

DRESSROSA ARC

This is Law versus Doflamingo.

This is Luffy versus Doflamingo.

WHOLE CAKE ISLAND ARC

This is Brulee gossiping about some Supernovas including Kid versus a Sweet General.


Now here's her gossiping about Luffy versus the STRONGEST Sweet General.


WANO ARC

Kid and Law beating Big Mom together.

Luffy beating Kaido alone.

PRESKIP BLACKBEARD

Here's preskip Blackbeard doing what WCI Luffy could barely pull off.

POSTSKIP BLACKBEARD

This is Blackbeard right after the timeskip.

You notice a difference between Blackbeard and Kid and Law? Kid and Law have been consistently used as hypetools for the next big bad and achieved lesser versions of Luffy's accomplishments. Blackbeard on the other hand has been way ahead of Luffy since their starts as pirate captains (don't get me started on his crew being portrayed as "better" versions of their Straw Hat counterparts). Luffy doesn't have to catch up to Kid and Law. He has to catch up to Teach. If Luffy still has yet to catch up with Teach, why would Teach job to a lesser pirate than Luffy all of the sudden?
To be fair this is ignoring how Law successfully landed a lethal blow on Doflamingo. The countershock would've killed him if not for Doflamingo being able to stitch his organs back together

He obviously isn't as strong as Luffy but give the dude some credit here
 
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