Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1081 Spoilers Discussion
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As if you know his true goals lol
We will read a character based on what he has shown and so far he hasn't been the antagonist either for luffy.
And, being mysteries means nothing because oda only used him for brief temporary moment of hype while BB was used to actually drive plot forward - big difference
Talk about trashing Barto? Is this the best argument you have? being luffy ally doesn't give barto any pass more so when we know shanks cares about his allies and friends the most and doesn't tolerate any nuisance.
We will read a character based on what he has shown and so far he hasn't been the antagonist either for luffy.
And, being mysteries means nothing because oda only used him for brief temporary moment of hype while BB was used to actually drive plot forward - big difference
Talk about trashing Barto? Is this the best argument you have? being luffy ally doesn't give barto any pass more so when we know shanks cares about his allies and friends the most and doesn't tolerate any nuisance.
- He's literally heading to kill one of the grand fleet members right now. Barto is going down soon because he messed with territory
- He "reflexively" sends out conquerors haki in "enemy territory" as shown from the meeting with Whitebeard and yet doesn't do this in the gorosei chamber. The manga is explicit that Shanks is not the enemy of the Gorosei, but the Gorosei are the enemies of the straw hats. Pretty cut and dried as much as "Shanks is a perfect good guy" stans want to pretend this meeting doesn't prove anything.
- sengoku as well as gorosei "only because it's you." not only is he tied to world nobles he's tied to marine leadership, and his corruption gets even the top ranks to bend the rules for him
- this is technically non canon but I finally watched film red and it also doesn't prove shanks is a good guy at all lol. He essentially caused the entire thing by not taking full responsibility for Uta or telling her the truth and then abandoning her on the island, and then not destroying Tot Musicas sheet music. all of his heroism in the movie is motivated by a need to take responsibility for a fuckup he caused, not genuine altruism. Also he straight up does still rob the island and take all their treasure lol. Like that was his cover story to keep the secret from uta, but also the red hair pirates really did pack their ship full of loot and peace out without rebuilding anything.
He has a direct impact on the narrative of everything from punk hazard to the end of wano
- He "reflexively" sends out conquerors haki in "enemy territory" as shown from the meeting with Whitebeard and yet doesn't do this in the gorosei chamber. The manga is explicit that Shanks is not the enemy of the Gorosei, but the Gorosei are the enemies of the straw hats. Pretty cut and dried as much as "Shanks is a perfect good guy" stans want to pretend this meeting doesn't prove anything.
- sengoku as well as gorosei "only because it's you." not only is he tied to world nobles he's tied to marine leadership, and his corruption gets even the top ranks to bend the rules for him
- this is technically non canon but I finally watched film red and it also doesn't prove shanks is a good guy at all lol. He essentially caused the entire thing by not taking full responsibility for Uta or telling her the truth and then abandoning her on the island, and then not destroying Tot Musicas sheet music. all of his heroism in the movie is motivated by a need to take responsibility for a fuckup he caused, not genuine altruism. Also he straight up does still rob the island and take all their treasure lol. Like that was his cover story to keep the secret from uta, but also the red hair pirates really did pack their ship full of loot and peace out without rebuilding anything.
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He has a direct impact on the narrative of everything from punk hazard to the end of wano
If Shiryu was that strong, why Shiryu saved BB from poison when he could take on Magellan by himself then? 
So that Shiryu could work under BB as underling when he could be on his own out of Impel Down?
It was easy for Shiryu to kill poisoned BB, and become the captain of that crew, I wonder why he didn't do that?
He knew BB was stronger than him and Magellan, and Shiryu used BB to defeat Magellan and desperately wanted to become BB's underling. He specifically said BB underestimated Magellan, if he didn't, that wouldn't happen.
So that Shiryu could work under BB as underling when he could be on his own out of Impel Down?It was easy for Shiryu to kill poisoned BB, and become the captain of that crew, I wonder why he didn't do that?
He knew BB was stronger than him and Magellan, and Shiryu used BB to defeat Magellan and desperately wanted to become BB's underling. He specifically said BB underestimated Magellan, if he didn't, that wouldn't happen.
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