Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 980: Fighting Music
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I don't think the point supporting Killer being mentally unstable as Kamazou was that the fruit itself drives you nuts but that it caused him to constantly expose himself to literally his biggest trauma ever without even having the chance to properly cover his face (which is something he needed to since childhood) and while fighting for the people who harmed his friends.
Also, of course current Killer is stable again. That's the whole point of gaining his mask back, being with his friends all together and finding that they are all helping him to cope with his trauma by adopting his laugh so it becomes something positive.
Also, of course current Killer is stable again. That's the whole point of gaining his mask back, being with his friends all together and finding that they are all helping him to cope with his trauma by adopting his laugh so it becomes something positive.
Lol loved this chapter..
The luffy wankers wanting Jack or Queen to be blueno'd as a luffy warm-up fight before kaido,has been hatched in the egg,the guy is been stalled by Kaido's equivalent of the enraged army.
Luffy also fails to even use Future sight on Apoo's 2nd attack even though he was clearly focused and calm;I hope this opens people's eyes and they realize that in-verse,Luffy isn't that far ahead of his Worst generation peers as both were pretty casual but Apoo's still caused luffy alot of problems and even ko'd him for seconds.
Luffy and Zoro's interactions were on point and shows they understand each other very well.
Queen isn't that worried about luffy and Zoro and is even mocking them for being overwhelmed at the very beggining of the battle indicating he doesn't take them seriously yet.
Apoo's powers are very mysterious and interesting and I hope he isn't yet Ko'd by kid's punk Gibson attack and actually puts up a good fight against kid next week;if not,I hope Queen intervenes and clashes with Kid.
Zoro and luffy are clearly overwhelmed by the number of enemies and can't afford to fight them all while being casual,so I think they're either getting captured or someone comes to their aid.
Hopefully next week,Kaido hears about them and the war officially begins.
Ps: Lol at luffy getting ko'd by Apoo's nameless attack..so much for Luffy being low top tier and above Rayleigh lmfao.
I hope people will use the same energy they used to say Zoro fainted to nerfed Killer.
The luffy wankers wanting Jack or Queen to be blueno'd as a luffy warm-up fight before kaido,has been hatched in the egg,the guy is been stalled by Kaido's equivalent of the enraged army.
Luffy also fails to even use Future sight on Apoo's 2nd attack even though he was clearly focused and calm;I hope this opens people's eyes and they realize that in-verse,Luffy isn't that far ahead of his Worst generation peers as both were pretty casual but Apoo's still caused luffy alot of problems and even ko'd him for seconds.
Luffy and Zoro's interactions were on point and shows they understand each other very well.
Queen isn't that worried about luffy and Zoro and is even mocking them for being overwhelmed at the very beggining of the battle indicating he doesn't take them seriously yet.
Apoo's powers are very mysterious and interesting and I hope he isn't yet Ko'd by kid's punk Gibson attack and actually puts up a good fight against kid next week;if not,I hope Queen intervenes and clashes with Kid.
Zoro and luffy are clearly overwhelmed by the number of enemies and can't afford to fight them all while being casual,so I think they're either getting captured or someone comes to their aid.
Hopefully next week,Kaido hears about them and the war officially begins.
Ps: Lol at luffy getting ko'd by Apoo's nameless attack..so much for Luffy being low top tier and above Rayleigh lmfao.
I hope people will use the same energy they used to say Zoro fainted to nerfed Killer.
The whole argument is Smiles make you nerfed because you're mentally unstable, A it doesnt its just a made up fantasy by sanji fans to berate zoro
2. He wasnt physically weaker or mentally unstable because of his trauma getting tortured etc, after his will broke (any reason is speculation of why) he chose to work under orochi to save his crew, knew who everyone was when he ran into zoro.
This isnt beatle juice his personality was always the same with killer and kamazou
2. He wasnt physically weaker or mentally unstable because of his trauma getting tortured etc, after his will broke (any reason is speculation of why) he chose to work under orochi to save his crew, knew who everyone was when he ran into zoro.
This isnt beatle juice his personality was always the same with killer and kamazou
Been saying his ever forever
By the way, does ANYONE else other than myself think that somehow, the FAILED smile users, can be fixed, and when that thing is done, it will allow them to ACCESS the powers of that smile DF?
And yeah, I know some of you may feel a little uncomfortable with Killer being a smile user, but it's a POWER BOOST nonetheless, specially if he HONED the skills... because just like DFs, smile users can be actually pretty cool if they were legit badass fighters from beginning.... so unlike the weak smile users we got, we can see Killer, do some cool attacks with his Zoan smile if his problem was FIXED
By the way, does ANYONE else other than myself think that somehow, the FAILED smile users, can be fixed, and when that thing is done, it will allow them to ACCESS the powers of that smile DF?
And yeah, I know some of you may feel a little uncomfortable with Killer being a smile user, but it's a POWER BOOST nonetheless, specially if he HONED the skills... because just like DFs, smile users can be actually pretty cool if they were legit badass fighters from beginning.... so unlike the weak smile users we got, we can see Killer, do some cool attacks with his Zoan smile if his problem was FIXED
No, the whole, proper argument is (or should be) that Killer wasn't at his mental best because the side effect of eating a bad SMILE happened to elicit his biggest childhood trauma. There's no way a character who is constantly exposed to his greatest nightmare without even the chance to properly lower its impact (which he in fact needs to do since childhood) won't be affected by it (and if it wasn't, it's a really bad writing by Oda's part, but it wouldn't really make any sense with regards to his character subplot in the arc). And when I say that of course Killer is fine now is because he got his friends back, his mask back and everybody is supporting him by adopting the laugh as theirs.
So SMILEs don't drive you nuts but Killer couldn't be at his best as Kamazou unless his trauma wasn't a trauma at all and therefore had no effect on him. But it did because, well, it's a trauma, so of course he won't be perfectly fine if he can't avoid hearing his laugh over an over without even a mask to hide his face nor any support from his friends.
So SMILEs don't drive you nuts but Killer couldn't be at his best as Kamazou unless his trauma wasn't a trauma at all and therefore had no effect on him. But it did because, well, it's a trauma, so of course he won't be perfectly fine if he can't avoid hearing his laugh over an over without even a mask to hide his face nor any support from his friends.
Already destroyed though
But the point I'm trying to make is, FIXING Failed Smile user, may end up altering some specific configuration regarding those DFs. and actually fixing them from "Failed Smile Users" into "Succssful Smile users"... thus not only it will serve into giving back the ability to express different emotions, but also it will serve into providing Kidd's right-hand man, a power up, and again, it's not a FULL DF power, but it's a power boost if MASTERED and used right by a good combatant like Killer
Specially since the chapter titled "Smile" was actually dedicated to Killer, not Yasui, Not Otoko, so it felt like Oda built that up for Killer
But the point I'm trying to make is, FIXING Failed Smile user, may end up altering some specific configuration regarding those DFs. and actually fixing them from "Failed Smile Users" into "Succssful Smile users"... thus not only it will serve into giving back the ability to express different emotions, but also it will serve into providing Kidd's right-hand man, a power up, and again, it's not a FULL DF power, but it's a power boost if MASTERED and used right by a good combatant like Killer
Specially since the chapter titled "Smile" was actually dedicated to Killer, not Yasui, Not Otoko, so it felt like Oda built that up for Killer
Understanding the character is enough to see what I'm saying. Do you need a panel explicitly telling you that a guy exposed to his biggest trauma without his coping tool (the mask) will not perform as good as his normal self that doesn't expose to said trauma nor lacks said coping tool? You're trying to defend an absurd here. What's the point of suffering such complex then? If Killer's laughter was the core of his trauma and he wore the mask following the impact it had on him, it is impossible that the Kamazou situation didn't affect him because if it didn't then he had no trauma to begin with. And he did have a trauma, because he still had the need to use his mask, so obviously it was affecting him personally, hence why his friends ended up mimicking the laugh to make him feel better (if the laugh didn't affect him this support shouldn't be needed in the first place).
Next time I hope Oda clearly writes that killing his father and his brother had a personal impact on Doflamingo, apparently he shouldn't bet on his readers to understand his characters without explicit guidance.
Next time I hope Oda clearly writes that killing his father and his brother had a personal impact on Doflamingo, apparently he shouldn't bet on his readers to understand his characters without explicit guidance.
You being subjective vs the panels being objective are two different things, you saying Kamazou is mentally ill for whatever reason is your excuse to bash zoro's power level because he fainted right after defeating kamazou.
Your statement is just absurd and no foothold in any facts. If you had presentable facts instead of subjective anecdotes it could be a legitimate debate.
I'm not even discussing Zoro power level but Killer's character. I couldn't care less about whatever secondary fight the characters have because the only one that always matters is the main one.
If his trauma didn't affect Killer he wouldn't need to keep his mask, which was clearly described as a coping tool. But he does still need his mask, so his trauma is alive.
If his trauma didn't affect current Killer he wouldn't need his crew to mimick the laugh in order to support him because there would be nothing to be supported in the first place.
I'm just understanding a character. There's no point in showing all of those details (how harmful his laugh is to him, why he wears a mask to cover his face in response to the hate towards his laugh, that all his crewmates are now adopting his laugh in support) if Kamazou condition didn't affect him; that's not how a character is written. He wouldn't need all of that support and coping tools if he could live perfectly fine while laughing with his face exposed.
You're asking me for panels of Oda explicitly telling you that a trauma is eliciting the psychological effects of a trauma once the traumatized character can't avoid exposing himself to it and lacks all of his coping resources. It is just ludicrous. The panels are there, your problem is that you need Oda to make explicit the train of thought for you to connect the obvious dots.
If his trauma didn't affect Killer he wouldn't need to keep his mask, which was clearly described as a coping tool. But he does still need his mask, so his trauma is alive.
If his trauma didn't affect current Killer he wouldn't need his crew to mimick the laugh in order to support him because there would be nothing to be supported in the first place.
I'm just understanding a character. There's no point in showing all of those details (how harmful his laugh is to him, why he wears a mask to cover his face in response to the hate towards his laugh, that all his crewmates are now adopting his laugh in support) if Kamazou condition didn't affect him; that's not how a character is written. He wouldn't need all of that support and coping tools if he could live perfectly fine while laughing with his face exposed.
You're asking me for panels of Oda explicitly telling you that a trauma is eliciting the psychological effects of a trauma once the traumatized character can't avoid exposing himself to it and lacks all of his coping resources. It is just ludicrous. The panels are there, your problem is that you need Oda to make explicit the train of thought for you to connect the obvious dots.
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The panels are there but you're not showing them, this issue is that there are no presentable facts to support your evidence that because killer didnt have his mask, he was in some way, shape or formed, mentally unstable. This is subjective nonsense that you're claiming to be facts presented by the story. Was he tortured, yes, that was implied when Kid said what did they do to you, did that make him at any point in Wano weaker than when he fought Kaido vs Now, which is where my argument is at and that is NO, it's a very obvous NO, and i was asking to show me any foothold in evidence stating that he was weaker because of that.
B His face was covered the whole time with Bandages, so him having his mask doesnt make any difference whatsoever.
My issue is when people go on random fantasy tangents, that are usued to support extreme bias in characters strengths or weaknesses and then claim it to be objective when it's their own subjective nonsense
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