Controversial General Political Discussion

[Tejas]

Cool
Now if you could answer my original questions that would be swell

Non radical means not aiming to change the demographic character driven by agenda to conquer infidel lands.

Non proselytizing meaning non exploitation of local populace to meet conversion targets laid by ministries abroad.

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Akbar was 13 years old child during 2nd battle of Panipat

At the end of the siege of Chittor, Akbar ordered the massacre of 30,000 inhabitants, Hindus of the felled fort on 24th February 1568, and after this Akbar had the heads of fallen Rajputs displayed upon towers erected throughout the region to show his authority.

 

[NikaInParis]

Non radical means not aiming to change the demographic character driven by agenda to conquer infidel lands.

Non proselytizing meaning non exploitation of local populace to meet conversion targets laid by ministries abroad.

If people convert to these two religions out of their own accord, would you still consider it proselytizing and a forceful chang of the demographic?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

In Nazism it is Race, in Communism it is Class and in Islam it is the Infidels.

Have you ever met a Muslim IRL?

 

[Tejas]

If people convert to these two religions out of their own accord, would you still consider it proselytizing and a forceful chang of the demographic?

That rarely happens.
First of all the intention to convert stems from the fact that Abrahamic religions lay heavy emphasis on hatred of non believers. Where there is hatred, Integration is rarely possible

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Have you ever met a Muslim IRL?

I live in Hyderabad. What do you think?

 

[NAMELESS]

Likewise welcome. I too will be looking forward to that

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The difference between Abrahamic and indigenous faith systems is that Abrahamic scriptures focus on our and the upon the superiority of the central leader, a well defined theory of friends and foes and suppressing freedom of thinking. The fuel which runs the engines of these ideologies is hatred. Only the objects of hatred change.

In Nazism it is Race, in Communism it is Class and in Islam it is the Infidels.

Whereas indigenous faith systems mean freedom of thinking and oneness with nature

Wrong.Judaism is a religion that concerns the destiny of the Jewish people.Christianity and Islam do aim to expand and convert more people into it.There are similarities and differences between all three.Jews don't want to convert anybody lol Christianity is literally about saving souls and practicing charity daily.Jesus message was not about hatred.

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That rarely happens.
First of all the intention to convert stems from the fact that Abrahamic religions lay heavy emphasis on hatred of non believers. Where there is hatred, Integration is rarely possible

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I live in Hyderabad. What do you think?

False.

 

[Tejas]

Wrong.Judaism is a religion that concerns the destiny of the Jewish people.Christianity and Islam do aim to expand and convert more people into it.There are similarities and differences between all three.Jews don't want to convert anybody lol Christianity is literally about saving souls and practicing charity daily.Jesus message was not about hatred.

Yet the church places heavy emphasis on pagans and proselytizing.
What happened to the native religions of Greeks, Australian aborigines, Vikings etc.
What happened to Goan Hindus at the hands of Portuguese settlers?
Also

 

[NikaInParis]

That rarely happens.
First of all the intention to convert stems from the fact that Abrahamic religions lay heavy emphasis on hatred of non believers. Where there is hatred, Integration is rarely possible

Tejas, you don't know the first thing about Islam, nor, from my understanding, Christianity.

Movies, state propaganda, etc are not valid sources for learning about a different culture/religion.

It would be like me looking into sources that talk badly about your religion, whatever it may be (I don't know, not trying to be snarky), and spewing uninformed generalizations about the religion based on propaganda centered on the followers of the religion.

 

[Tejas]

Tejas, you don't know the first thing about Islam, nor, from my understanding, Christianity.

Movies, state propaganda, etc are not valid sources for learning about a different culture/religion.

It would be like me looking into sources that talk badly about your religion, whatever it may be (I don't know, not trying to be snarky), and spewing uninformed generalizations about the religion based on propaganda centered on the followers of the religion.

Bro I studied in christian convent and lived my childhood in a Muslim dominated area.
Nothing is more valid than real life experience.

Yes I have Muslim and Christian friends and always wish good for them but living in a Muslim dominating area as a Hindu shows reality of life.

Anyways for starters do you have the Azaan proclaiming that "Allah is the only God" blaring through loudspeakers on streets 5 times a day in your country?

 

[NAMELESS]

Yet the church places heavy emphasis on pagans and proselytizing.
What happened to the native religions of Greeks, Australian aborigines, Vikings etc.
What happened to Goan Hindus at the hands of Portuguese settlers?
Also

Buy a Bible that is translated from Hebrew and read the new testament.Jesus message was not about ostracizing people.States and People in general always subvert and misuse God's message.People suck,but that is not religion's fault.Religions exist because people suck lol

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Bro I studied in christian convent and lived my childhood in a Muslim dominated area.
Nothing is more valid than real life experience.

Yes I have Muslim and Christian friends and always wish good for them but living in a Muslim dominating area as a Hindu shows reality of life.

Anyways for starters do you have the Azaan proclaiming that "Allah is the only God" blaring through loudspeakers on streets 5 times a day in your country?

You are generalizing based on the microcosme you lived in.

 

[Tejas]

Buy a Bible that is translated from Hebrew and read the new testament.Jesus message was not about ostracizing people.States and People in general always subvert and misuse God's message.People suck,but that is not religion's fault.Religions exist because people suck lol

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You are generalizing based on the microcosmo you lived in.

Bible is revised by the church and the church wants to increase it's follower count. Is it not?

 

[NikaInParis]

Bro I studied in christian convent and lived my childhood in a Muslim dominated area.
Nothing is more valid than real life experience.

Yes I have Muslim and Christian friends and always wish good for them but living in a Muslim dominating area as a Hindu shows reality of life.

Anyways for starters do you have the Azaan proclaiming that "Allah is the only God" blaring through loudspeakers on streets 5 times a day in your country?

yes, because I live in a country with a sizeable Muslim population that's been here for centuries
The Azaan is no different from church bells if we are to be fair. Idk how the call for prayer is done in your religion, or if the concept is the same. But using the played out argument against azaan as some sort of sound pollution or whatever is trite

 

[NAMELESS]

Bible is revised by the church and the church wants to increase it's follower count. Is it not?

You do realize that the Bible is translated in dozens of languages and there like a dozen different Christian segments(protestantism).Hebrew translation is the most accurate one.

 

[Tejas]

yes, because I live in a country with a sizeable Muslim population that's been here for centuries
The Azaan is no different from church bells if we are to be fair. Idk how the call for prayer is done in your religion, or if the concept is the same. But using the played out argument against azaan as some sort of sound pollution or whatever is trite

Bro Azaan is not even the issue.
The issue starts with organized well planned stone pelting at our temples or religious processions on our festivals for which planning happens at the Mosques during Friday sermons.

You can't retaliate. Even verbally. Otherwise cops come knocking. And Their Victim card acts as a great Get out of jail free card.

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You do realize that the Bible is translated in dozens of languages and there like a dozen different Christian segments(protestantism).Hebrew translation is the most accurate one.

Yes. Protestantism is there but schools run by any segment enforces learning Bible on hindus and insults and removes any religious symbol worn by Hindu students

 

[NAMELESS]

Bro Azaan is not even the issue.
The issue starts with organized well planned stone pelting at our temples or religious processions on our festivals for which planning happens at the Mosques during Friday sermons.

You can't retaliate. Even verbally. Otherwise cops come knocking. And Their Victim card acts as a great Get out of jail free card.

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Yes. Protestantism is there but schools run by any segment enforces learning Bible on hindus and insults and removes any religious symbol worn by Hindu students

what?who is forcing Hindus to go to Christian schools?What is going on in India?

 

[NikaInParis]

Bro Azaan is not even the issue.
The issue starts with organized well planned stone pelting at our temples or religious processions on our festivals for which planning happens at the Mosques during Friday sermons.

You can't retaliate. Even verbally. Otherwise cops come knocking. And Their Victim card acts as a great Get out of jail free card.

But you make it out as if that were the way Islam teaches them to behave.

Which is straight up false. Those people are, from the way you describe it, just animals that were played by whoever is behind their actions into doing what they're doing.

Do you know what Islam actually teaches in regards on how to treat the places of worship of other religions?
The first Conquest of Jerusalem by Caliph Umar. The head of the Jerusalem church walks out to greet him and offers Umar to pray in a Jerusalem church (since there were no mosques in the city).

Umar refuses. Why? Because, had he prayed at that church, muslims might have seen it as a holy place and would want to turn it into a mosque. So he refused in order to protect it.

Furthermore, he saw a lack of Jews in Jerusalem. First thing he does is send for Jewish families living in Arabia to come and settle in Jerusalem because the city is holy to them as much as to Christians and Muslims

Using religion as an excuse to commit political actions is not exclusive to any religion. I know, for example, that attacks on Muslims were common place just a few decades past in India. Where those also preached by religious figures in temples? Or were they the actions of small groups who were lead astray?

 

[Tejas]

what?who is forcing Hindus to go to Christian schools?What is going on in India?

I will tell you what happened to me.

I was just past Kindergarten, in the first standard. My English teacher was teaching a lesson on some Story which had a thief in it. Immediately made Hindu students stand up and said "Your God Krishna is a thief." and made us repeat it. I told my father about it when I went home and my father requested the teacher not to bring religion into studies. Next day we, the Hindu students were made to stand on the bench outside our class and were beaten with a long cane with a stern warning that if we told our parents the next day we would be made to kneel down on the road and receive an even severe beating

 

[NAMELESS]

Yet the church places heavy emphasis on pagans and proselytizing.
What happened to the native religions of Greeks, Australian aborigines, Vikings etc.

As a Christian,i obviously believe my religion is the correct one and would wish for others to adhere to it.Conversions happen naturally. The Church forbids any forceful and violent conversion,but of course fanatics are everywhere and bad people do bad things.

 

[Tejas]

But you make it out as if that were the way Islam teaches them to behave.

Which is straight up false. Those people are, from the way you describe it, just animals that were played by whoever is behind their actions into doing what they're doing.

Do you know what Islam actually teaches in regards on how to treat the places of worship of other religions?
The first Conquest of Jerusalem by Caliph Umar. The head of the Jerusalem church walks out to greet him and offers Umar to pray in a Jerusalem church (since there were no mosques in the city).

Umar refuses. Why? Because, had he prayed at that church, muslims might have seen it as a holy place and would want to turn it into a mosque. So he refused in order to protect it.

Furthermore, he saw a lack of Jews in Jerusalem. First thing he does is send for Jewish families living in Arabia to come and settle in Jerusalem because the city is holy to them as much as to Christians and Muslims

Using religion as an excuse to commit political actions is not exclusive to any religion. I know, for example, that attacks on Muslims were common place just a few decades past in India. Where those also preached by religious figures in temples? Or were they the actions of small groups who were lead astray?

Bro Hindu temples don't gave the organization and weekly sermons. And the temples don't even have autonomy over the offerings the devotees offer. All of it, the government takes and then donates to roads, public works, donation to mosques and churches, etc.


Also there is no concept of non believer or Kabir in Hinduism

 

[NAMELESS]

I will tell you what happened to me.

I was just past Kindergarten, in the first standard. My English teacher was teaching a lesson on some Story which had a thief in it. Immediately made Hindu students stand up and said "Your God Krishna is a thief." and made us repeat it. I told my father about it when I went home and my father requested the teacher not to bring religion into studies. Next day we, the Hindu students were made to stand on the bench outside our class and were beaten with a long cane with a stern warning that if we told our parents the next day we would be made to kneel down on the road and receive an even severe beating

Your teacher was an asshole and not a real Christian.

 

[Tejas]

As a Christian,i obviously believe my religion is the correct one and would wish for others to adhere to it.Conversions happen naturally. The Church forbids any forceful and violent conversion,but of course fanatics are everywhere and bad people do bad things.

You can believe whatever you want. Let others believe whatever they want. Why the incentive to convert by the church?

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Your teacher was an asshole and not a real Christian.

She was a devout nun. The real problem is she was offered incentives by some ministry and with a target to meet