Character Discussion How will Sanji become the most feared by the Marine?

[Moegara]

No evidence backing this crap up boi.. You are assuming bs just to demean a charcter's moment even if sanji himself said zoro took the lime light with the sacrifice he looked stupid

I'm not assuming anything, it's the obvious context of the scene, and I'm not trying to demean anyone's moment. It's you who has no capability to read between the lines or understand the context of basic dialogue.


I could demean it if I wanted to, by simply pointing out his moment was an attempt to overshadow Zoro's moment and he failed at it because he was, as always, number 3.

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Sorry just coz someone causes trouble doesn’t mean they are over Luffy.
Thats a misinterpretation

Snaji himself never said it was a bluff he said he looked stupid.. That doesn't mean he didnt mean it

Again false conclusion from baseless assumptions

A character doesn't need to tell you something's a bluff for you to understand its meaning or intentions. That's the problem I was just mentioning.

 

[BleakAsh]

I'm not assuming anything, it's the obvious context of the scene,

Bro you don't understand what context is

You are assuming sanji was lying.. There is no evidence to that you are assuming he was putting on a show.. Again no evidence.. You are basing your opinion on the fallacious assumption that he was lying

 

[Moegara]

Bro you don't understand what context is

You are assuming sanji was lying.. There is no evidence to that you are assuming he was putting on a show.. Again no evidence.. You are basing your opinion on the fallacious assumption that he was lying

There's all the evidence you need in its context, should you choose to stop ignoring it.

 

[BleakAsh]

There's all the evidence you need in its context, should you choose to stop ignoring it.

ok


Where in the context..


The way he was walking?

The way he said what he said

The way zoro reacted?

The way Kuma reacted?

You are grasping at straws mate.. Basically an alternative explanation out if thin air nothing to do with the context

 

[zenox]

This is like saying Zoros vow to never lose again was just something on the spot that he never mentioned again.

Sanji was serious that he was going to be feared, I don’t get why people act like he was just bluffing.

We quite literally got the never lose recall in the king fight buddy

 

[Kyou]

1 egghead Kizaru

2 BB Aokiji

3

 

[zenox]

ok


Where in the context..


The way he was walking?

The way he said what he said

The way zoro reacted?

The way Kuma reacted?

You are grasping at straws mate.. Basically an alternative explanation out if thin air nothing to do with the context

The context of him being worthy enough to replace luffy

 

[gz89]

The most feared Okama of the SH crew

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We quite literally got the never lose recall in the king fight buddy

Yeah about 1000 chapters later. How do people know sanjis vow in thriller bark won’t come back?

 

[Moegara]

ok


Where in the context..


The way he was walking?

The way he said what he said

The way zoro reacted?

The way Kuma reacted?

You are grasping at straws mate.. Basically an alternative explanation out if thin air nothing to do with the context

You're asking me to repeat what you have been repeatedly told this thread. Take the time to at least try to read the comments instead of crying "Sanji's being slandered" when he's not. That I laugh at the idea of him outshining Zoro in Thriller Bark doesn't mean I hate Sanji: I don't.

Here is your context:

Sanji made up something on the spot that he never mentioned at any other point because he was bargaining. Nothing bad about it, he was determined to be the sacrifice and tried to bluff his way onto that. That's admirable but there's nothing else to draw from it.

The context between Zoro making a promise to Luffy and Sanji bluffing his way to make an enemy think he's worth more than Luffy and Zoro are two very different context and situations.

Was he acting confidently? Was he seriously trying to give his life for Luffy and Zoro? Was he cool? Yes, yes and yes.
Does that mean the random stuff he said on the spot to gain Kuma's approval (to make him think he's worth more than Luffy and Zoro) is to be taken as the holy scriptures of foreshadowing or as some random dream of Sanji that would have come literally out of nowhere never to be heard of again? No.
Given the context of the dialogue it's you who, if anyone, should prove there's anything else to his words.

You could literally replace him with Usopp saying the same words trying to be brave to be sacrificed for his friends and that wouldn't mean it's a secret ambition of Usopp's either. Sanji's dreams don't even revolve around power levels or notoriety. Ironically the only times he's shown to care about those things is when he's competing with Zoro, but never when it's about what he actually cares about.

 

[BleakAsh]

The context of him being worthy enough to replace luffy

Thats absolutely redundant

Luffy 's gaol is to be the PK not to be DRAGON the most heinous criminal

Snaji being the most feared Strawhat throughhis brain and brawn alike isn't gonna overshadow luffy whopping yonko' s and admirals and even Imu

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You're asking me to repeat what you have been repeatedly told this thread. Take the time to at least try to read the comments instead of crying "Sanji's being slandered" when he's not. That I laugh at the idea of him outshining Zoro in Thriller Bark doesn't mean I hate Sanji: I don't.

Here is your context:


Was he acting confidently? Was he seriously trying to give his life for Luffy and Zoro? Was he cool? Yes, yes and yes.
Does that mean the random stuff he said on the spot to gain Kuma's approval (to make him think he's worth more than Luffy and Zoro) is to be taken as the holy scriptures of foreshadowing or as some random dream of Sanji that would have come literally out of nowhere never to be heard of again? No.
Given the context of the dialogue it's you who, if anyone, should prove there's anything else to his words.

You could literally replace him with Usopp saying the same words trying to be brave to be sacrificed for his friends and that wouldn't mean it's a secret ambition of Usopp's either. Sanji's dreams don't even revolve around power levels or notoriety. Ironically the only times he's shown to care about those things is when he's competing with Zoro, but never when it's about what he actually cares about.

Still assumptions there is 0 concrete base to this

Dont tell me yiu dunno what an assumption is to now

 

[Gauntlet]

The sad thing is that while Zoro's dream was enough for Kuma to reconsider taking Luffy's head, Sanji didn't dare offer up his own dream, but instead made some vague statement from his ass about being the most dangerous person to the Marines. This was Oda in a way admitting that Sanji's dream is worth less than either Zoro or Luffy's dream.

 

[BleakAsh]

The sad thing is that while Zoro's dream was enough for Kuma to reconsider taking Luffy's head, Sanji didn't dare offer up his own dream, but instead made some vague statement from his ass about being the most dangerous person to the Marines. This was Oda in a way admitting that Sanji's dream is worth less than either Zoro or Luffy's dream.

His dream was irrelevant the moment he chose to guve away his life..

Zoro pitched his dreams coz its grandiose.. Sanji mentioning somehting as Mythical as all blue is bizzare as hell

Any sensible person would read it and understand that infamy and the level of threat each one proclaims is being emphasized here.. Not their dreams in particular.

 

[Gauntlet]

His dream was irrelevant the moment he chose to guve away his life..

Zoro pitched his dreams coz its grandiose.. Sanji mentioning somehting as Mythical as all blue is bizzare as hell

Any sensible person would read it and understand that infamy and the level of threat each one proclaims is being emphasized here.. Not their dreams in particular.

Kuma explicitly stated the reason he decided on Zoro was because he had such a great ambition, not because of the "danger level" of their dreams. Sanji didn't offer his because he simply isn't anywhere as ambitious for the All Blue as Zoro and Luffy are for their dreams. Sanji hasn't done shit to further his developments to find this magical place. Hell the cornball foolishly claimed that he has found his All Blue with the mermaids. Would Zoro or Luffy ever mock their dreams in a similar fashion?

If Sanji had worked as diligent as Zoro for his own dream who knows what he would of found about it. But the reality is that Sanji had to make up a ambiguious claim of becoming the most dangerous man to the marines because it sounds lofty enough and nothing else. And I swear that Kuma would of called Sanji's shitty bluff if Zoro didn't knock his ass out.

 

[BillSlipton]

There's all the evidence you need in its context, should you choose to stop ignoring it.

Thats not how I read the context. Nor most fans.

Seems like you're just downplaying sanji. Can you please point our what part of the context implies he was trying to do what you said?

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The sad thing is that while Zoro's dream was enough for Kuma to reconsider taking Luffy's head, Sanji didn't dare offer up his own dream, but instead made some vague statement from his ass about being the most dangerous person to the Marines. This was Oda in a way admitting that Sanji's dream is worth less than either Zoro or Luffy's dream.

Kuma never considered zoros dream as a worthy replacement. That's headcanon and bs. Thats not why kuma was there. He was there for luffy. Zoros head in no way fulfills his orders. Zoro said what he said as a desperate attempt to protect luffy.

Kuma considered giving him the pain being the revolutionary and benevolent king that he is. He's a good guy and can see the sh are good guys too. He's also dragons suboordinate so he gave the dragons son an out through zoro.

Nothing about zoros dream swayed Kuma. It was zoros will power and resolve for his friend that impressed him and convinced him to do this trial by pain.

 

[BleakAsh]

Kuma explicitly stated the reason he decided on Zoro was because he had such a great ambition,

False.. Nothing of the sort was alluded

He notedto both Zoro and Sanji as his loyal comrades after their shows dunno where you'r getting this feon

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Thriller bark arc gave a lot of aspects to how much the dream of each MT can be accounted to.

Zoro's dream was paralleled to Luffy's in trade, and Sanji himself foreshadowed himself as the most feared by the Marine.

For that, I dont think it'll be totally be related to strength, yes he would be the third/fourth strongest SH, but the main thing that's gonna make that happen is how he'll be the future ruler of Germa and bring a revolution with his army that's going to bring a great advantage to their side in the near future war that's gonna shook the OP verse


Or

He's going to impregnate every chick related to Navy just like Genghis khan

What do you guys think?

Bring germa under his rule is the only thing I can think of

 

[Kyou]

Sanji and the Bmp will go and fight BB
Sanji as the new Captain

 

[Gauntlet]

Thats not how I read the context. Nor most fans.

Seems like you're just downplaying sanji. Can you please point our what part of the context implies he was trying to do what you said?

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Kuma never considered zoros dream as a worthy replacement. That's headcanon and bs. Thats not why kuma was there. He was there for luffy. Zoros head in no way fulfills his orders. Zoro said what he said as a desperate attempt to protect luffy.

Kuma considered giving him the pain being the revolutionary and benevolent king that he is. He's a good guy and can see the sh are good guys too. He's also dragons suboordinate so he gave the dragons son an out through zoro.

Nothing about zoros dream swayed Kuma. It was zoros will power and resolve for his friend that impressed him and convinced him to do this trial by pain.

Kuma considered Zoro's willingness to throw away his lofty ambition for Luffy's own adequate enough for Zoro to be substitute. It's the whole equation. If it was solely because Zoro was simply inclined to put his own life on the line, then Kuma wouldn't have felt the need to ask Zoro why he wants to sacrifice himself as it's a given that he put Luffy over himself to make such a request in the 1st place. Further explanation would be unnecessary.

If Kuma was such a kind giant, then why would he risk killing Zoro by giving him the fatal injuries that Luffy endured when Zoro himself has already collected many wounds already? Chopper on the ship confirmed that he was almost out of there and the collective inflictions on Zoro hindered the Straw Hats in Sabaody thanks to Kuma. It's not like Kuma is some supreme doctor that knew precisely how much Zoro can handle before succumbing to his injuries. Honestly he could of chosen better alternatives that wouldn't of put the Straw Hats into further turmoil than they already were in, like simply leaving without making an appearance to the Straw Hats.

 

[BillSlipton]

Kuma considered Zoro's willingness to throw away his lofty ambition for Luffy's own adequate enough for Zoro to be substitute. It's the whole equation. If it was solely because Zoro was simply inclined to put his own life on the line, then Kuma wouldn't have felt the need to ask Zoro why he wants to sacrifice himself as it's a given that he put Luffy over himself to make such a request in the 1st place. Further explanation would be unnecessary.

If Kuma was such a kind giant, then why would he risk killing Zoro by giving him the fatal injuries that Luffy endured when Zoro himself has already collected many wounds already? Chopper on the ship confirmed that he was almost out of there and the collective inflictions on Zoro hindered the Straw Hats in Sabaody thanks to Kuma. It's not like Kuma is some supreme doctor that knew precisely how much Zoro can handle before succumbing to his injuries. Honestly he could of chosen better alternatives that wouldn't of put the Straw Hats into further turmoil than they already were in, like simply leaving without making an appearance to the Straw Hats.

You can choose to ignore the truth. But you look stupid. Why the fuck would kuma care about luffys dream to be pirate king?