We Have Severely Underestimated Kanki
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No, the seating is essentially the order in which they were used as great generals.
Moubu - was the first one to be utilized as a GG
Tou - was the 2nd one to be utilized as a GG
YTW - was the 3rd one to get utilized as a GG
Ousen - led the big campaign with a GG under him, so essentially a GG
Kanki - one who wasn't, went last
Moubu - was the first one to be utilized as a GG
Tou - was the 2nd one to be utilized as a GG
YTW - was the 3rd one to get utilized as a GG
Ousen - led the big campaign with a GG under him, so essentially a GG
Kanki - one who wasn't, went last
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It's impossible for us to know that, really.
While I personally regard Kan Ki's victory over Ko Chou as the #1 or #2 feat of generalship demonstrated in the manga thus far (Ou Sen's overall WZI victory being the other contender), I think it's important to keep in mind that, as impressive as Kan Ki taking on 240K with just 80K at 3:1 odds was, we've seen similar feats before:
But to get back to the original point: I certainly disagree Kan Ki is the only one of the 6GG who could've won.
The way I see it, Kan Ki taking on Ko Chou in the manner and under the circumstances he did was a reflection of his character. To win that battle he took a meatgrinder approach by which he "buried many an enemy," though "many Qin livers were violently squandered".
It's not necessarily true none of the other 6GG could've won against Ko Chou. It is likely true none of them would take a battle with those odds if they could avoid it because (among many other reasons) they would never squander the lives of their own troops in the manner Kan Ki did for many reasons, I suspect not the least of which being sustainability.
While I personally regard Kan Ki's victory over Ko Chou as the #1 or #2 feat of generalship demonstrated in the manga thus far (Ou Sen's overall WZI victory being the other contender), I think it's important to keep in mind that, as impressive as Kan Ki taking on 240K with just 80K at 3:1 odds was, we've seen similar feats before:
- Yo Tan Wa defeated a 171K army at close to 3:1 odds with just 60K starving troops,
- Duke Hyou held back an invading 100K army led by Go Hou Mei with just 10K soldiers for 4 days at 10:1 odds
- Tou held back a 50K Chu army around the same time and stalled them time with just 5K men, also at 10:1 odds
But to get back to the original point: I certainly disagree Kan Ki is the only one of the 6GG who could've won.
The way I see it, Kan Ki taking on Ko Chou in the manner and under the circumstances he did was a reflection of his character. To win that battle he took a meatgrinder approach by which he "buried many an enemy," though "many Qin livers were violently squandered".
It's not necessarily true none of the other 6GG could've won against Ko Chou. It is likely true none of them would take a battle with those odds if they could avoid it because (among many other reasons) they would never squander the lives of their own troops in the manner Kan Ki did for many reasons, I suspect not the least of which being sustainability.
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You're right in that, but she didn't utilize it until post-State of Ai arc. I guess utilization of the title would've been a better way to put it rather than when attaining it.
Moubu -> Was doing GG things for Qin army already post-Coalition
Tou -> Started doing GG things after 7 fire dragons arc
Yotanwa -> Entered the wars of the central plains post-State of Ai arc as a GG
But yea the first one to actually attain the title was YTW, but was the 3rd to be utilized as one in the Qin army.
Moubu -> Was doing GG things for Qin army already post-Coalition
Tou -> Started doing GG things after 7 fire dragons arc
Yotanwa -> Entered the wars of the central plains post-State of Ai arc as a GG
But yea the first one to actually attain the title was YTW, but was the 3rd to be utilized as one in the Qin army.
The promotion to Great General is a political function as much as it is a reflection of recognition, trust and honour.
Tou wasn't particularly better at WFD than he was at Coalition, or for that part, nor was he remarkably better at Coalition than he was when he first appeared on a battlefield at Bayou.
In his own words, Tou has always been strong. His skill warranted the appointment to Great General the day Ou Ki passed, but that's not how it worked out for him.
Also, similarly, Mou Bu was pulling of Great General feats of leadership at Bayou I find remarkable and truly overlooked, yet nevertheless warrant consideration for the argument Mou Bu was GG level as early as that arc.
Tou wasn't particularly better at WFD than he was at Coalition, or for that part, nor was he remarkably better at Coalition than he was when he first appeared on a battlefield at Bayou.
In his own words, Tou has always been strong. His skill warranted the appointment to Great General the day Ou Ki passed, but that's not how it worked out for him.
Also, similarly, Mou Bu was pulling of Great General feats of leadership at Bayou I find remarkable and truly overlooked, yet nevertheless warrant consideration for the argument Mou Bu was GG level as early as that arc.
As far back as his first performance, Kanki was a true monster. Was thinking back of Sanyou, and Kanki:
> Before the battle even started, he trolled Rinko into backing out from his assassinations attempts.
> Renpa sent Kaishibou against him, and the bloke got toyed with the entire time, unable to do anything. Kanki's brutality was also starting to be problematic for the soldier's morale.
> Renpa realizes the problem that he has in hand and sends Genpou there to strategically direct things...only for Kanki to slain him shortly after. Genpou one of the four Heavenly Kings who had devasted the Qin army just earlier, who was a veteran of war, had survived countless trials of life and death with Renpa, and bang, he faces Kanki and he's gone. "Trash". Kaishibou manages to crush Kanki's HQ thanks to Genpou's advice but Kanki has already disappeared.
He remains hidden and undetected, roaming free as he pleases. He launches another successful decapitating strike against the "official" Wei's army Commander in Chief, who Renpa had placed there as a symbol of inspiration for the Wei soldiers. The problem posed by Kanki was again brought up when Renpa surrendered.
This guy at Sanyou remained virtually unreacheable the entire time and every move Renpa played against him backfired.
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> Before the battle even started, he trolled Rinko into backing out from his assassinations attempts.
> Renpa sent Kaishibou against him, and the bloke got toyed with the entire time, unable to do anything. Kanki's brutality was also starting to be problematic for the soldier's morale.
> Renpa realizes the problem that he has in hand and sends Genpou there to strategically direct things...only for Kanki to slain him shortly after. Genpou one of the four Heavenly Kings who had devasted the Qin army just earlier, who was a veteran of war, had survived countless trials of life and death with Renpa, and bang, he faces Kanki and he's gone. "Trash". Kaishibou manages to crush Kanki's HQ thanks to Genpou's advice but Kanki has already disappeared.
He remains hidden and undetected, roaming free as he pleases. He launches another successful decapitating strike against the "official" Wei's army Commander in Chief, who Renpa had placed there as a symbol of inspiration for the Wei soldiers. The problem posed by Kanki was again brought up when Renpa surrendered.
This guy at Sanyou remained virtually unreacheable the entire time and every move Renpa played against him backfired.
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What of it was luck, what do you mean? At that specific moment, when Kanki came to know that Genpou had joined their battle, he wasn't trying to take Kaishibou's HQ, he had just finished creating another "gift" of brutalized soldiers for the Wei forces to find. Like he had done in the previous days. (Genpou speculated that he was doing it for him to combine his scattered forces to launch the final blow. Eventually.)
Kanki then was informed that the Wei had found their hidden hq (thanks to Genpou) and thus decided to go grab his head, infiltrating in the Wei camp.
Kanki then was informed that the Wei had found their hidden hq (thanks to Genpou) and thus decided to go grab his head, infiltrating in the Wei camp.
No amount of talent had anything to do with the HSU arriving early. That was a narrative choice by the author, not in any way attributed to Kan Ki.
The problem when it comes to assessing Kan Ki's win over Ko Chou is that it's routinely ignored how much of the credit should actually be split. Sure, a general needs to know what he's working with to make good decisions, but Kan Ki had no influence in shaping the outcome at Eikyuu beyond giving orders for it to be taken.
Eikyuu was a natural fortress thought impossible to be taken that fell only to the combined efforts of 3 6GG talent generals in Ou Hon, Shin and Kyou Kai, and crucial support from A Ka Kin.
The problem when it comes to assessing Kan Ki's win over Ko Chou is that it's routinely ignored how much of the credit should actually be split. Sure, a general needs to know what he's working with to make good decisions, but Kan Ki had no influence in shaping the outcome at Eikyuu beyond giving orders for it to be taken.
Eikyuu was a natural fortress thought impossible to be taken that fell only to the combined efforts of 3 6GG talent generals in Ou Hon, Shin and Kyou Kai, and crucial support from A Ka Kin.